Official Ja Morant for MVP thread

[QUOTE=tontoz;14553449]Jokic BPM 13.9
Morant BPM 6.3

Jokic win shares 12
Morant win shares 6.6

Jokic VORP 7.7
Morant VORP 3.7


Just a slight difference......




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Why do you think Nash won MVP in 2004-05 averaging 15.5 ppg and 11.5 apg?

[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14553521]Why do you think Nash won MVP in 2004-05 averaging 15.5 ppg and 11.5 apg?[/QUOTE]


I wouldn't have voted for him but lets not forget he shot 50% from the field, 43% from 3 and 89% from the line. He was an elite shooter who led the league in assists.

Let's also not forget this was his first year with the team and they won 62 games. They won only 29 games the previous year

[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14553518]Jokic's not winning MVP. MVP, whether you guys want to admit it or not, almost always has an element to winning in it. Jokic won last year with his team as a 3rd seed. How valuable is if his team finishes as the 6th seed? I give him a 1% chance.[/QUOTE]
If jokic is not winning it again, then who's your candidate? One who's not named ja morant, obviously.

If we're strictly talking about the best player in the league, it's Jokic. However, MVP is more nuanced. I'm pulling for Morant all the way. He deserves it.

There are intangibles for mvp as well. i'd put optimistic bet on ja. embiid and jokic will split their votes, Giannis too much fatigue.

[QUOTE=Full Court;14553542]If we're strictly talking about the best player in the league, it's Jokic. However, MVP is more nuanced. I'm pulling for Morant all the way. He deserves it.[/QUOTE]

Deserves it? His team doesn't even need him to win.

[QUOTE=insight;14553599]Deserves it? His team doesn't even need him to win.[/QUOTE]

That 11 game sample size is a very simplistic way of looking at it. Do you really think they'd be in second place and have the record they do without Morant?

[QUOTE=Full Court;14553604]That 11 game sample size is a very simplistic way of looking at it. Do you really think they'd be in second place and have the record they do without Morant?[/QUOTE]

Probably not. Typically teams don't play all that well without their best player, let alone 2nd seed. Otoh, that 14 game sample where they won 86% of the games without morant is factually a huge reason they're in 2nd place and not closer to 8.

[QUOTE=Full Court;14553604]That 11 game sample size is a very simplistic way of looking at it. Do you really think they'd be in second place and have the record they do without Morant?[/QUOTE]

Of course they are better team with Ja on the court.
I watch the majority of Memphis games, they are playing great as a team. They have several players who they can run the offense through and play solid defense. Their biggest strength is their ability to get easy transition points they are a tremendous fast break team. It wasn't a small sample size because they were below .500 before Ja got injured. When he was out their defensive rating skyrocketed and starting winning. Would you really seriously consider another MVP candid if their team started winning consistently when they weren't on the floor?

[QUOTE=insight;14553693]Of course they are better team with Ja on the court.
I watch the majority of Memphis games, they are playing great as a team. They have several players who they can run the offense through and play solid defense. Their biggest strength is their ability to get easy transition points they are a tremendous fast break team. It wasn't a small sample size because they were below .500 before Ja got injured. When he was out their defensive rating skyrocketed and starting winning. Would you really seriously consider another MVP candid if their team started winning consistently when they weren't on the floor?[/QUOTE]

Generally, no. However, I do think some context is on order. Those 12 wins included:

Sac x2
Lakers
Pelicans
Blazers
Houston
OKC
Toronto (which was playing like garbage at the time)

That's 8 of their 12 wins right there. So while you have a valid point, I'm not willing to penalize Morant too hard for his team getting that record while he was out.

Funny how things must be made more convenient for morant just because these fools are so desperate to see him win the said award this year. There's no denying the kind of impact he gives off for his team over time but like what's been pointed out here, we've seen them win an impressive number of games earlier this season during his absence. Furthermore, in terms of individual performances, you don't see this kid average double-doubles on a regular basis. Let alone a triple-double both to the extent of what either embiid or jokic can muster more consistently in several of their respective games. So many of you casuals who try to root for him rn might want to consider this first also before y'all spit out any of your eyesore bullshit.

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14553217]Umm, guys?

Lebron exists.[/QUOTE]

How’s his team doing this season?

[QUOTE=Axe;14553892]Funny how things must be made more convenient for morant just because these fools are so desperate to see him win the said award this year. There's no denying the kind of impact he gives off for his team over time but like what's been pointed out here, we've seen them win an impressive number of games earlier this season during his absence. Furthermore, in terms of individual performances, you don't see this kid average double-doubles on a regular basis. Let alone a triple-double both to the extent of what either embiid or jokic can muster more consistently in several of their respective games. So many of you casuals who try to root for him rn might want to consider this first also before y'all spit out any of your eyesore bullshit.[/QUOTE]

This guy calling people casuals and then in the same discourse saying Morant doesn't get enough double doubles and triple doubles:roll: can't make this shit up

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Let's also not forget this was his first year with the team and they won 62 games. They won only 29 games the previous year[/QUOTE]

Bingo, that's my point.

[QUOTE=Axe;14553534]If jokic is not winning it again, then who's your candidate? One who's not named ja morant, obviously.[/QUOTE]

Embiid