did mike always have maximum defense attention becos he cant pass?

[QUOTE=3ba11;14634134]Lebron had the #3 team defense and got 18 on 38% from Mo, yet he lost as a massive favorite to a 1-star opponent in 2009 ECF

Otoh, Jordan never lost with a top 10 defense and 18 on 38% from Pippen[/QUOTE]

lebron is the GOAT bro.

jordan would NEVER carry that 2009 cavs team the way lebron did. that was the season that I started realizing how incredible this kid was - and I was already a lebron fan.


he had a 60-minutes interview that year and threw up an effortless halfcourt underhanded splash - with the cameras rolling :roll:



[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJ7Q0aiV4I&ab_channel=CBS[/url]


24-year old King James.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14634134]Lebron had the #3 team defense and got 18 on 38% from Mo, yet he lost as a massive favorite to a 1-star opponent in 2009 ECF

Otoh, Jordan never lost with a top 10 defense and 18 on 38% from Pippen

Jordan could beat Finals teams while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load), while Lebron can't due to insufficient jumpshooting skill and brand of ball[/QUOTE]

that team wouldnt win 35 games without lebron. with lebron they won 66-games and had the best record in the conference.


best players were delonte west, mo williams, anderson varejao, and old z.


won 66 games.





how did those players careers go outside of lebron? did they ever win 55-games the way that pippen did?

comparing stats from different eras twenty years apart. why? because when we compare mj's championship help to his opponents help her argument falls apart. so desperate, so pathetic.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14634143]comparing stats from different eras twenty years apart. why? because when we compare mj's championship help to his opponents help her argument falls apart. so desperate, so pathetic.[/QUOTE]

Lol. MJ's discrepancy in his offensive/scoring output compared to his 2nd option is greater than anyone's when we're talking about the 2 best player on a dynasty. The same guys on this board that say that Shaq carried Kobe to rings are the same morons arguing that Pip had equal or similar impact to MJ when their gap in production is far wider in comparison. You're only exposing your own ignorance on the matter.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14634159]Lol. MJ's discrepancy in his offensive/scoring output compared to his 2nd option is greater than anyone's when we're talking about the 2 best player on a dynasty. The same guys on this board that say that Shaq carried Kobe to rings are the same morons arguing that Pip had equal or similar impact to MJ when their gap in production is far wider in comparison. You're only exposing your own ignorance on the matter.[/QUOTE]

pippen was the best perimeter defender of the era alongside mike. scoring production wont measure that - every GM and coach in the league knew. plus some coaches overseas before the NBA even expanded. :oldlol:


thats like lebron playing with 2013-2014 kawhi - who [B]never[/B] got injured :oldlol:

[QUOTE=red1;14634168]pippen was the best perimeter defender of the era alongside mike. scoring production wont measure that - every GM and coach in the league knew. plus some coaches overseas before the NBA even expanded. :oldlol:


thats like lebron playing with 2013-2014 kawhi - who [B]never[/B] got injured :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

MJ was an elite defender as well but also did about 2x as much as Pip on offense and always produced better than Pip in every series.. When have we ever had a dynasty where a superstar carried his team to an extent like Mike did? The only dynasty comparable to MJ's Bulls is the Bill Russell Celtics and Russell never really carried his offense like that and obv he played against less competition. Pip was never on the level of Kawhi or Bran, he never carried a team to a chip or even close to it and never had the package on O.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14634171]MJ was an elite defender as well but also did about 2x as much as Pip on offense and always produced better than Pip in every series.. When have we ever had a dynasty where a superstar carried his team to an extent like Mike did? The only dynasty comparable to MJ's Bulls is the Bill Russell Celtics and Russell never really carried his offense like that and obv he played against less competition. Pip was never on the level of Kawhi or Bran, he never carried a team to a chip or even close to it and never had the package on O.[/QUOTE]

yeah that's all true - mj is definitely the best scorer of all-time. I put him above kd.


how does that take away from the fact that he played on the most stacked team of his era? it's kind've an undeniable fact if they can win 55-games without him.


you're a kobe fan - how many kobe teams can win 50-games without kobe? let alone win 55-games and go to game 7 of the second round of the conference finals, without kobe playing a single game?

thats how talented and well coached those bulls teams were.


they were capable of dominating the conference - without mike playing a single game.

meanwhile lebron carries scrubs to the NBA finals - did it several times. jordan never did it once.


2007 and 2018 are some of the all-time GOAT carry-jobs - that will [B]NEVER[/B] be surpassed :roll:

[QUOTE=red1;14634176]yeah that's all true - mj is definitely the best scorer of all-time. I put him above kd.


how does that take away from the fact that he played on the most stacked team of his era? it's kind've an undeniable fact if they can win 55-games without him.


you're a kobe fan - how many kobe teams can win 50-games without kobe? let alone win 55-games and go to game 7 of the second round of the conference finals, without kobe playing a single game?[/QUOTE]

I'm sure I could put Jordan in place of some of the other great players in his era (Barkley, Drexler) and you could make similar arguments for those teams. MJ had good-great help on some of those teams but they are not really comparable to most of the dynasties that had as much success. Some of the KB teams could have maybe won as much games with some luck but neither of them would have been as good either. The '94 Bulls had a mediocre Net Rating and went from 1st/2nd on offense in those 3Peat years to 14th.

[QUOTE=red1;14634179]meanwhile lebron carries scrubs to the NBA finals - did it several times. jordan never did it once.


2007 and 2018 are some of the all-time GOAT carry-jobs - that will [B]NEVER[/B] be surpassed :roll:[/QUOTE]

Did Jordan ever play in as bad of a Conference as Bran did in '07 or '18? A team with a rookie Tatum and 2nd year Jaylen Brown got to the ECF, that should tell you it was not a good year for the EC. '15 Cavs made the Finals and they had 2 of the 3 total All-NBA players in the Conference :kobe: .

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14634195]I'm sure I could put Jordan in place of some of the other great players in his era (Barkley, Drexler) and you could make similar arguments for those teams. MJ had good-great help on some of those teams but they are not really comparable to most of the dynasties that had as much success. Some of the KB teams could have maybe won as much games with some luck but neither of them would have been as good either. The '94 Bulls had a mediocre Net Rating and went from 1st/2nd on offense in those 3Peat years to 14th.[/QUOTE]

bruh there is no way on earth that even PRIME shaq or PRIME mj could carry those cavs to 66-wins.



it is the most underrated feat in NBA history.


the best perimeter defender on that team outside of leGOAT was 6'3!!!!!! that's only an inch taller than me with shoes which is how they measured and I would be a MIDGET compared to all of the 6'5 and 6'6 with shoes wings that are REGULAR in the NBA!!!!!!!!



there's absolutely no arguing the fact that jordan's bulls were stacked relative to the rest of the supporting casts of the 90's


and not only that - they only played dogshit teams in the finals!!! :roll: :roll:





these jordan fans are IN A F[SIZE=2]U[/SIZE]CKING HEADLOCK RIGHT NOW!!!!! :roll:

best wing defenders were 6'1 and 6'3 and best frontcourt players were talentless varejao and old man Z



carried that shit to 66 wins :roll:




thats GOAT status by itself :roll:

[QUOTE=red1;14634199]bruh there is no way on earth that even PRIME shaq or PRIME mj could carry those cavs to 66-wins.



it is the most underrated feat in NBA history.


the best perimeter defender on that team outside of leGOAT was 6'3!!!!!! that's only an inch taller than me with shoes which is how they measured and I would be a MIDGET compared to all of the 6'5 and 6'6 with shoes wings that are REGULAR in the NBA!!!!!!!!



there's absolutely no arguing the fact that jordan's bulls were stacked relative to the rest of the supporting casts of the 90's


and not only that - they only played dogshit teams in the finals!!! :roll: :roll:





these jordan fans are IN A F[SIZE=2]U[/SIZE]CKING HEADLOCK RIGHT NOW!!!!! :roll:[/QUOTE]

Those Cavs had great front court depth and solid production from the guard spots. RS success isn't everything either when Bran lost as an overwhelming favorite against Orlando with their star guard injured for the series. MJ's Bulls weren't stacked compared to the '92 Blazers, '93 Suns or the '96 Sonics or the Shaq-Penny Magic or even the Jazz. You can dig through that decade and find that Reggie and Stockton both outperformed Pippen in a lot of your favorite advanced metrics as well but you'd only use those metrics to downplay Kobe's success while disregarding them in any other debate.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14634203]Those Cavs had great front court depth and solid production from the guard spots. RS success isn't everything either when Bran lost as an overwhelming favorite against Orlando with their star guard injured for the series. MJ's Bulls weren't stacked compared to the '92 Blazers, '93 Suns or the '96 Sonics or the Shaq-Penny Magic or even the Jazz. You can dig through that decade and find that Reggie and Stockton both outperformed Pippen in a lot of your favorite advanced metrics as well but you'd only use those metrics to downplay Kobe's success while disregarding them in any other debate.[/QUOTE]

you're f[SIZE=2]u[/SIZE]cking retarded. I watched all of the big cavs games and lakers games that year.



you are absolutely retarded and couldnt be more wrong.



how come varejao and mo williams and delonte west are forgotten scrubs outside of leGOAT?