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[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14665379]Just answer the question, why does Lebron only have 1 scoring title?[/QUOTE]
Because he doesn’t try to win scoring titles. He’s literally missed out on 2 scoring titles (2010 and last year) by sitting out when he could have gone for it at the end of the season.
he aight.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14665388]Because he doesn’t try to win scoring titles. He’s literally missed out on 2 scoring titles (2010 and last year) by sitting out when he could have gone for it at the end of the season.[/QUOTE]
So you're also saying he's a quitter? :lol
But seriously, he's a great scorer, just not the greatest, that belongs to MJ, and pretty comfortably too.
[QUOTE=TheMan;14665409]So you're also saying he's a quitter? :lol
But seriously, he's a great scorer, just not the greatest, that belongs to MJ, and pretty comfortably too.[/QUOTE]
If he went for it you’d scream stat padding :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14664771][IMG]https://images4.imagebam.com/c7/e8/8e/MEE4DNN_o.png[/IMG]
Does Elon Musk have A LOT of money?
[IMG]https://www.thesouthafrican.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Rich-list-28-Sept.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Ouch :lol Hittem with that 1st post rat poison post.
R.I.P. to OP.
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[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]
A player can't be a great scorer if they needed great scoring help..... for the vast majority of their titles as 1st option... :confusedshrug:
So guys like Shaq, Lebron, Magic and others weren't really great scorers despite their physical dominance or oversized for their position.. At carry-job volumes, their plodding ball-dominance lacked sufficient brand of ball to beat top teams (can't carry the scoring load and beat top teams), so they needed all-time scoring help like Kareem, Kobe and Wade.
Otoh, expert jumpshooters like Curry, MJ or Kobe can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat top teams (they can carry the scoring load and beat top teams) and therefore win with secondary-producing sidekicks like Wiggins or Pippen.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14666058].
[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]
A player can't be a great scorer if they needed great scoring help..... for the vast majority of their titles as 1st option... :confusedshrug:
So guys like Shaq, Lebron, Magic and others weren't really great scorers despite their physical dominance or oversized for their position.. At carry-job volumes, their plodding ball-dominance lacked sufficient brand of ball to beat top teams (can't carry the scoring load and beat top teams), so they needed all-time scoring help like Kareem, Kobe and Wade.
Otoh, expert jumpshooters like Curry, MJ or Kobe can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat top teams (they can carry the scoring load and beat top teams) and therefore win with secondary-producing sidekicks like Wiggins or Pippen.[/QUOTE]
Thread cliffs.
According to OP's logic, Durant isn't a great scorer. Despite 3bal sucking him off for years until he lost to Giannis in 2021.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14666060]Thread cliffs.
According to OP's logic, Durant isn't a great scorer. Despite 3bal sucking him off for years until he lost to Giannis in 2021.[/QUOTE]
Durant needs equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention and therefore isn't a truly great scorer that defeated maximum defensive attention like MJ, Kobe, Curry or Bird (carried scoring load for playoffs and Finals of title run).
So there's levels to this shit.. MJ, Kobe, Curry, and Bird are truly great scorers, while Durant and Iverson are great scorers, and Lebron isn't a great scorer (no pure scoring ability or elite jumpshooting skill.. no go-to moves.. weak clutch... doesn't command doubles)
[QUOTE=3ba11;14666062]Durant needs equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention and therefore isn't a truly great scorer that defeated maximum defensive attention like MJ, Kobe, Curry or Bird (carried scoring load for playoffs and Finals of title run).
[B]So there's levels to this shit.[/B]. MJ, Kobe, Curry, and Bird are truly great scorers, while Durant and Iverson are great scorers, and Lebron isn't a great scorer (no pure scoring ability or elite jumpshooting skill.. no go-to moves.. weak clutch... doesn't command doubles)[/QUOTE]
If you choose to create them :lol
[QUOTE=3ba11;14666062]Durant needs equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention and therefore isn't a truly great scorer that defeated maximum defensive attention like MJ, Kobe, Curry or Bird (carried scoring load for playoffs and Finals of title run).
So there's levels to this shit.. MJ, Kobe, Curry, and Bird are truly great scorers, while Durant and Iverson are great scorers, and Lebron isn't a great scorer (no pure scoring ability or elite jumpshooting skill.. no go-to moves.. weak clutch... doesn't command doubles)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=3ba11;14666058].
[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]
A player can't be a great scorer if they needed great scoring help..... for the vast majority of their titles as 1st option... :confusedshrug:
So guys like Shaq, Lebron, Magic and others weren't really great scorers despite their physical dominance or oversized for their position.. At carry-job volumes, their plodding ball-dominance lacked sufficient brand of ball to beat top teams (can't carry the scoring load and beat top teams), so they needed all-time scoring help like Kareem, Kobe and Wade.
Otoh, expert jumpshooters like Curry, MJ or Kobe can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat top teams (they can carry the scoring load and beat top teams) and therefore win with secondary-producing sidekicks like Wiggins or Pippen.[/QUOTE]
Defensive attention is your reasoning for truely great scorers, but Shaq who had 30ppg series against triple teams in the west isn't a great scorer. What else has Shaq faced than maximum defensive attention as you'd call it?
That's the most retarded stance I've ever read from you and that says quite alot.
[QUOTE=Overdrive;14666072]Defensive attention is your reasoning for truely great scorers, but Shaq who had 30ppg series against triple teams in the west isn't a great scorer. What else has Shaq faced than maximum defensive attention as you'd call it?
That's the most retarded stance I've ever read from you and that says quite alot.[/QUOTE]
But Shaq can't shoot jumpers! Though neither can Giannis and he's in OP's top 10 :lol
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14666083]But Shaq can't shoot jumpers! Though neither can Giannis and he's in OP's top 10 :lol[/QUOTE]
Since Shaq needed equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention, he never defeated maximum defensive attention except once in his entire career (2000 Finals)..
So he isn't a truly great scorer and just had a one-off - and he actually didn't carry the scoring load against the Blazers (the "real" Finals), while Kobe led the NBA in clutch scoring for those playoffs, including his record-setting Finals (8.0 ppg clutch points)
[QUOTE=3ba11;14666316]Since Shaq needed equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention, he never defeated maximum defensive attention except once in his entire career (2000 Finals)..
So he isn't a truly great scorer and just had a one-off - and he actually didn't carry the scoring load against the Blazers (the "real" Finals), while Kobe led the NBA in clutch scoring for those playoffs, including his record-setting Finals (8.0 ppg clutch points)[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;x5PDgv5y-S0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5PDgv5y-S0[/video]
Referring to a finals series in which Kobe put up 15.6 PPG on 41.6 TS% as “record setting” :roll:
The great flaw in this (even though I know you aren't attempting to make a real argument) is that we are faulting someone as a scorer because they have a great teammate.
Like..how does Kobe being a great scorer mean that Shaq isn't? Just cause they were on the same team? That doesn't make any sense.