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[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14741696]He is likely about to become a three time mvp. This topic is like saying Warren Buffet is poor.[/QUOTE]
The majority of the NBA fanbase do not think Jokic is a top 5 player in the league. He is constantly disrespected when I see conversations about him on various platforms/media.
If he was a black American and athletic, he'd be getting GOAT talks.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14741697]The majority of the NBA fanbase do not think Jokic is a top 5 player in the league. He is constantly disrespected when I see conversations about him on various platforms/media.
[B]If he was a black American and athletic, he'd be getting GOAT talks.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah if Towns was doing the exact same thing Joker is doing, he'd be a far more respected and popular athlete. Obviously the MVP voters know they can't not give him MVP, but the MVPs themselves build contempt from the general public because they think winning rings is the be all end all while ignoring context. He'd get far less disrespect tho if he was black. Perkins certainly wouldn't be crying on air about racism.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14741699]Yeah if Towns was doing the exact same thing Joker is doing, he'd be a far more respected and popular athlete. Obviously the MVP voters know they can't not give him MVP, but the MVPs themselves build contempt from the general public because they think winning rings is the be all end all while ignoring context. He'd get far less disrespect tho if he was black. Perkins certainly wouldn't be crying on air about racism.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Jokic is basically the complete opposite of mainstream NBA fandom/culture. He won't get fans from the basic fanbase unless he wins a ring. Even then, he won't receive the normal hype. Shit the average NBA fan probably thinks Derek Rose on the Bulls was better than Jokic ever was.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14741697]The majority of the NBA fanbase do not think Jokic is a top 5 player in the league. He is constantly disrespected when I see conversations about him on various platforms/media.
If he was a black American and athletic, he'd be getting GOAT talks.[/QUOTE]
Is Kevin Durant a 3 time mvp? No?
Oh wait only guy like that in the league today is James. The idea that a guy about to get the MVP award for a third year in a row is somehow the victim of discrimination... you realize you're a ****ing idiot, right?
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14741697]The majority of the NBA fanbase do not think Jokic is a top 5 player in the league. He is constantly disrespected when I see conversations about him on various platforms/media.
If he was a black American and athletic, he'd be getting GOAT talks.[/QUOTE]
Yes, poor white people get no respect :roll: :facepalm
It’s cause he’s not flashy. Luka is white and clearly worse but gets more respect for being flashy.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14741707][B]Yes, poor white people get no respect[/B] :roll: :facepalm
It’s cause he’s not flashy. Luka is white and clearly worse but gets more respect for being flashy.[/QUOTE]
We need look no further than you for proof.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14741705]Is Kevin Durant a 3 time mvp? No?
Oh wait only guy like that in the league today is James. The idea that a guy about to get the MVP award for a third year in a row is somehow the victim of discrimination... you realize you're a ****ing idiot, right?[/QUOTE]
Why are struggling with what I am saying? Did I ever say the MVP VOTERS are underrating Jokic? No I did not.
I am saying the NBA fandom/masses are underrating Jokic for a few on-court and off-court reasons.
If fans were voting then Jokic wouldn't come close to MVP.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14741728]Why are struggling with what I am saying? Did I ever say the MVP VOTERS are underrating Jokic? No I did not.
I am saying the NBA fandom/masses are underrating Jokic for a few on-court and off-court reasons.
If fans were voting then Jokic wouldn't come close to MVP.[/QUOTE]
If fans voted Kobe would have 5 MVP’s, while Iverson might have 2-3.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14741728]Why are struggling with what I am saying? Did I ever say the MVP VOTERS are underrating Jokic? No I did not.
I am saying the NBA fandom/masses are underrating Jokic for a few on-court and off-court reasons.
If fans were voting then Jokic wouldn't come close to MVP.[/QUOTE]
No one is failing to understand you. You are claiming without any evidence whatsoever that NBA fans-- who are mainly white-- are discriminating against Jokic. Because he is white. You are an idiot.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14741740]No one is failing to understand you. You are claiming without any evidence whatsoever that NBA fans-- who are mainly white-- are discriminating against Jokic. Because he is white. You are an idiot.[/QUOTE]
:lol
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14741740]No one is failing to understand you. You are claiming without any evidence whatsoever that NBA fans-- who are mainly white-- are discriminating against Jokic. Because he is white. You are an idiot.[/QUOTE]
You are being obtuse. I am not going to find and post everything I read about Jokic from social media sites. Anyone who reads basketball should be seeing the same general trend of underrating and disrespecting Jokic.
Also I am not claiming Jokic is being discriminated because he is white...it's because he is not American, secondarily not a black American, and third he is unathletic. Jokic also doesn't fit the NBA culture AT ALL. This is why he is underrated (maybe I should say underappreciated?). Someone like Giannis would be way more hyped if he was an American as well...but a ton of people still refer to him as "run and dunk".
Seriously, you and RRR3 look dumb trying to paint me as some right-wing white person trying to claim generic "racism". What I'm claiming is much more nuanced and honestly factual.
Here's the thing... Some superstar level players AREN'T going to be one of the faces of the league marketed to the masses. You gotta have a certain IT FACTOR for that. In today's league, its guys like Bron, Steph, Giannis, KD, Luka, etc. Joker as great as he is will get slept on by the casual fanbase. EVEN THOUGH he's about to likely win a 3rd MVP. And is known as the best offensive center ever when u combine passing and scoring. Plus he's the king of triple doubles among centers.
The media overall gives him his props. So he catches NO BS NARRATIVES from the media. He's just not a SUPERSTAR the league will lean on to market the game. He's not the COMBO of superstar on the court AND ROCK STAR the league relies on to market to casuals. Duncan has similar issues back in the day. BUT his championship success superceded it. And he is the GOAT PF. So since he was in the Finals all the time (the time when casuals REALLY LOCK INTO THE LEAGUE), he became a household name to them even. And the league HAD TO COME AROUND because the Spurs were a dynasty.
BUT if you don't have those things going for you PLUS don't play in a huge media market, superstars like a Jokic will be UNDER THE RADAR to the casual fanbase. EVEN THOUGH he's a top 6 caliber center ever peak-prime wise. And when you look at the top 10 centers GOAT wise, literally ALL OF THEM were one of the faces of the league. I'm talking Cap, Wilt, Russ, Shaq, Hakeem, David, and Ewing for example. GOAT wise, Joker is gonna be on that level. But IT FACTOR wise, he's not somebody the league is gonna market to casuals.
If he pulls a Duncan and wins SO MUCH that it supercedes the lack of IT FACTOR, AMONG CASUALS Joker will get his just due. BUT if you know the game, you know Joker is an all time great! And THAT's MORE IMPORTANT! If you want superstars who get DENIED their rightful place in history throughout the years, look at guys like Nique, McAdoo, English, Dantley, etc. All of them got labeled unfairly by the media OR their career took an unusual path at some point.
Or underrated guys who were never All Stars like a Rod Strickland, Byron Scott, etc. Joker DOESN'T have those issues! When it comes to the all time great PF's, Bob P's name NEVER comes up anymore. YET his peers like West, Oscar, Baylor, Wilt, and Russell STILL get mentioned to this day. Bob was the GOAT PF UNTIL the Mailman and Barkley got rolling. That's A LONG ASS TIME that he was the king of his position! Dr. J gets his props for being WAY AHEAD of his time being a freak athletic scoring machine that played about the rim. YET David Thompson's name doesn't get brought up enough. He was THE GUY to bring freak athletic ability to the backcourt. Just like Doc, he was WAY AHEAD OF HIS TIME! Their rivalry was like the MJ-Nique rivalry of that time period!
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14741743]You are being obtuse. I am not going to find and post everything I read about Jokic from social media sites. Anyone who reads basketball should be seeing the same general trend of underrating and disrespecting Jokic.
Also I am not claiming Jokic is being discriminated because he is white...it's because he is not American, secondarily not a black American, and third he is unathletic. Jokic also doesn't fit the NBA culture AT ALL. This is why he is underrated (maybe I should say underappreciated?). Someone like Giannis would be way more hyped if he was an American as well...but a ton of people still refer to him as "run and dunk".
Seriously, you and RRR3 look dumb trying to paint me as some right-wing white person trying to claim generic "racism". What I'm claiming is much more nuanced and honestly factual.[/QUOTE]
You are saying that a soon to be 3peat mvp is underrated because white people don't appreciate a white person.
You are an idiot.
For those saying Jokic is getting discriminated against because he's European that's BS!!! Because Luka is one of the faces of the league. And has the IT FACTOR to draw in casual fans. So the league markets that! Once again, the league LEANS ON a group of 6-8 guys to be the faces of the league. If a player plays in a major media market, that's even better. Hell even though Kawhi has won a couple of rings, he's still NOT A DRAW truly for the casual fanbase. You can look at ANY SPORT and the same applies!
Dude is already being touted as a potential top 5 center of all time and you're saying he's [I]underrated[/I]?!