Top 10 most overrated list which exists just to farm engagement.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14845724]38 % on 16 shots says otherwise[/QUOTE]

16 shots on 38% shooting(ignoring for now he only shot 16 times per game in one of 19 seasons, but you seem determined to pretend it was the standard) says he did not maximize those net teams? Meaning they were supposed to do what instead of make back to back finals and a game seven of an eastern conference finals? They were supposed to beat the Lakers or Spurs with those teams? You already said no. So…what are you even talking about?

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Kidd is definitely an overrated scorer.

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How when you have never heard him called a scorer? He was called Ason Kidd even in his prime. This is another DeRozan situation. You can’t be overrated when everybody says the same thing. At no point of his career was he a highly rated scorer. He played 19 years as a starter and averaged 11 shots a game. He took the same shots per minute as Rajon Rondo. In two different All-Star seasons, he took less shots per minute then Ben Wallace did on the 2004 pistons. At one point Dale Davis shot more per minute than Jason Kidd did in five of his all Star seasons. Dennis Rodman’s peak per minute shot attempts is higher than seven seasons of prime Jason Kidd. Ben Simmons for his career takes more shots per minute than Jason Kidd did…

The man simply did not shoot a lot he just played heavy minutes and was never considered a scorer, despite this downright baffling conversation.

when he was shooting the most he ever did his team had its most success in the last 49 years. Seriously. What the **** are we even talking about right now? We are arguing about someone who shoots as much as Rajon rondo shooting too much when the only time he was leading his team in shot attempts, was that teams peak success of half a century immediately following them winning 26 games led by a much better scorer.

this has to be one of the most ridiculous conversations I’ve ever been in and also a weird one, considering I was here while this was going on and not a single person was complaining about it. Even the many haters he had who felt he was overrated relative to Duncan and shouldn’t have been in the MVP conversation warrant, claiming he was shooting too much or doing anything, but getting the most out of that team. Which by the way nobody even disagrees with unless they feel he should have won the title. And nobody does.

this is an exceptionally meritless argument, even by our standards.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14845913]How when you have never heard him called a scorer? He was called Ason Kidd even in his prime. This is another DeRozan situation. You can’t be overrated when everybody says the same thing. At no point of his career was he a highly rated scorer. He played 19 years as a starter and averaged 11 shots a game. He took the same shots per minute as Rajon Rondo. In two different All-Star seasons, he took less shots per minute then Ben Wallace did on the 2004 pistons. At one point Dale Davis shot more per minute than Jason Kidd did in five of his all Star seasons. Dennis Rodman’s peak per minute shot attempts is higher than seven seasons of prime Jason Kidd….

The man simply did not shoot a lot he just played heavy minutes and was never considered a scorer, despite this downright baffling conversation.

when he was shooting the most he ever did his team had its most success in the last 49 years. Seriously. What the **** are we even talking about right now? We are arguing about someone who shoots as much as Rajon rondo, and a little more than Ben Wallace, shooting too much when the only time he was leading his team in shot attempts, was that teams peak success of half a century immediately following them winning 26 games live by a much better scorer.

this has to be one of the most ridiculous conversations I’ve ever been in and also a weird one, considering I was here while this was going on and not a single person was complaining about it. Even the many haters he had who felt he was overrated relative to Duncan and shouldn’t have been in the MVP conversation warrant, claiming he was shooting too much or doing anything, but getting the most out of that team. Which by the way nobody even disagrees with unless they feel he should have won the title. And nobody does.

this is an exceptionally meritless argument, even by our standards.[/QUOTE]

He was called a scorer those 2 years they made the finals dominating flawed teams some with weak guards allowing him to look better than he actually was.

Reggie Miller was called a scorer yet Kidd isnt yet he shot more than Miller for any extended playoff run. Imagine having your team guard him with an oft injured Tinsley and Kevin fkn Ollie. The praise that he got was sickening.

[QUOTE=Reggie43;14845919]He was called a scorer those 2 years they made the finals dominating flawed teams some with weak guards allowing him to look better than he actually was.

Reggie Miller was called a scorer yet Kidd isnt yet he shot more than Miller for any extended playoff run. Imagine having your team guard him with an oft injured Tinsley and Kevin fkn Ollie. The praise that he got was sickening.[/QUOTE]


At no point in his life was Jason Kidd ever considered a scorer. He was considered a player who did whatever his team needed him to do. If Reggie Miller had been a better basketball player, you wouldn’t need to complain about weak defenders on kidd because Reggie would step up and provide excellent defense. But he wasn’t capable of it because he wasn’t a good all-around basketball player. He was an incredible shooter and a good scorer. The difference between those players who are largely useless when they can’t score and Jason Kidd was pointed out all the time during that run before it and after it. Funny enough, Reggie Miller is one of the players most prone to point out how hard it is to make such people ineffective.

Even if Reggie and Kidd both score 31 as they did in that double OT game that probably has you so salty Kidd is likely to do a lot more for his team than Reggie because Reggie can barely dribble, was a marginal passer, and defender.

Reggie could just shoot. And was obviously clutch. Like when Reggie hit the miracle three that replay showed shouldn’t have counted and along with a similar one by Baron Davis forced the adoption of replay checks. That’s what he did.

Jason Kidd did everything but that…except for a while he made the big shots too. Didn’t make him a scorer in the eyes of anyone paying attention or virtually anyone talking about it though.

But he didn’t have to be.

Most scorers were worse at basketball. Like Reggie was.

That said the long bank shot game was the same game Reggie inexplicably dunked on the whole population of New Jersey two handed right? I think that was my favorite play of his career. That was in my old man Reggie fan era. I think I annoyed some Net fans discussing it here at the time.

I don’t think I was pro nets at the time. I feel like I was heavy on the “Duncan or KG for mvp” thing when Kidd was getting that talk.

I remember Miller actually being the best defender on Kidd in that playoff series but at 36 years old he didnt have the stamina to guard him fulltime while scoring 24 a game. Imagine what he would have done to them in his prime...

In what world is a guy scoring 20ppg at his playoff peak not a scorer?

The same one where Bill Russell scored 20 a game in the playoffs. Nobody is calling him a scorer. Scoring a lot in massive minutes because your team doesn’t have a go to scorer doesn’t mean that’s your play style.

Unrelated but annoying…

Why doesn’t Starbucks have Apple Pay on its app? I assume they want you to buy gift cards which make you return when you have change but…shit. This has to be the company with the most mobile food orders in the world and they have me typing in card numbers like it’s 2008…

The only one on that list I see as actually overrated is Rondo.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14845585]Kidd took the most shots on his team despite not being able to shoot. He was hyped because of triple doubles. Getting a triple double while shooting 5-19 from the floor never did much for me. If you shot less than 40% and took a lot of shots you aren't my type[/QUOTE]


If your next best offensive option is Kerry kittles you're gonna have to take some extra shots.

Once Kidd got Vince Carter he wasn't taking as many and on Dallas as well. He knew when to defer to better offensive players. Nets didn't have any in the early 2000s. Iverson never deferred even on the stacked Nuggets or Olympic teams. That's the difference.

Would you seriously say Rudy gobert is better than prime Jason Kidd?

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That's a ban able offense.

Didn't notice earlier that the cocky prick morant is also on the list. Deserved. :roll:

Anyway i think kyrie should be up there as well, being hyped up as uncle drew in the pepsi commercials before lebron came back to the cavaliers in 2014.

[QUOTE=Reggie43;14845732]Kidd is definitely an overrated scorer. Him taking his team to the Finals and dominating bad teams when the East was at its alltime worst doesnt change that.

Funny thing is if his Nets team were in the West they probably lose in the first round both times because they wouldnt have home court advantage.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about that. The Nets used to sweep the Pistons in the early 2000s and were even a hair away from beating the 2004 version that destroyed the Lakers. They were a tough team. And Kidd was totally dominant out there.

I respect the old time greats and I think they could play in any era but that is such a weird time numbers wise. Russells playoff high scoring (22ppg)he was playing 48 mins a game while also grabbing 30 rebs, same season Wilt goes for 50ppg. How would those translate in the modern era (80s to present)?

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14845895]no better than the Bum. Efficiency means nothing![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14845913]How when you have never heard him called a scorer? He was called Ason Kidd even in his prime. This is another DeRozan situation. You can’t be overrated when everybody says the same thing. At no point of his career was he a highly rated scorer. He played 19 years as a starter and averaged 11 shots a game. He took the same shots per minute as Rajon Rondo. In two different All-Star seasons, he took less shots per minute then Ben Wallace did on the 2004 pistons. At one point Dale Davis shot more per minute than Jason Kidd did in five of his all Star seasons. Dennis Rodman’s peak per minute shot attempts is higher than seven seasons of prime Jason Kidd. Ben Simmons for his career takes more shots per minute than Jason Kidd did…

The man simply did not shoot a lot he just played heavy minutes and was never considered a scorer, despite this downright baffling conversation.

when he was shooting the most he ever did his team had its most success in the last 49 years. Seriously. What the **** are we even talking about right now? We are arguing about someone who shoots as much as Rajon rondo shooting too much when the only time he was leading his team in shot attempts, was that teams peak success of half a century immediately following them winning 26 games led by a much better scorer.

this has to be one of the most ridiculous conversations I’ve ever been in and also a weird one, considering I was here while this was going on and not a single person was complaining about it. Even the many haters he had who felt he was overrated relative to Duncan and shouldn’t have been in the MVP conversation warrant, claiming he was shooting too much or doing anything, but getting the most out of that team. Which by the way nobody even disagrees with unless they feel he should have won the title. And nobody does.

this is an exceptionally meritless argument, even by our standards.[/QUOTE]

I had someone tell me they didn't like chris paul on the Warriors the other day because of his poor decisions making and I got put on an ignore list for disagreeing vehemently. That might top this.

[QUOTE=tpols;14845958]I don't know about that. The Nets used to sweep the Pistons in the early 2000s and were even a hair away from beating the 2004 version that destroyed the Lakers. They were a tough team. And Kidd was totally dominant out there.[/QUOTE]

Was Kidd dominant scoring just 10 ppg on 28%fg in 2004 against the Pistons?

He looked good in 2002 and 2003 but when the competition and his teammates got better they didnt win as much and he was scoring less

[QUOTE=Reggie43;14845972]Was Kidd dominant scoring just 10 ppg on 28%fg in 2004 against the Pistons?

He looked good in 2002 and 2003 but when the competition and his teammates got better they didnt win as much and he was scoring less[/QUOTE]

That series had games ending in the 50s and 60s point totals. It was a true slugfest. If Kidd wasn't the best defensive and rebounding point guard of all time and a brilliant passer and floor general I would agree with you.

If he was just known as a pure scorer like Iverson or Reggie and produced like that I would agree with you. But he was literally everything outside of that. He could shoot 30% and take over a game.