Why was Hakeem getting beat in Rd 1 or missing the playoffs for so much of his prime

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14916625]It’s because in the early to mid 2000s then Kobe fans were obnoxious and annoying as fvck. Jordan was the guy in Hakeem’s day so hakeem probably didn’t have fans like that.

The number one thing that brings hate to a player are his fans.[/QUOTE]
No better example of that than Xiao :lol

There were way more Kobe haters than fans of his back in the early 2000s. I was one of them... I didnt want him to beat the Nets when my state had a team.

Literally all I ever read from back then is hate. Can't win without Shaq. He's a rapist. Can't without Pau. Can't do this, can't do that.

I could name you 10x more haters of Kobe than his fans. Hakeem? Like OP showed never see anybody criticizing him. And Kobe won twice as much and at the end with similar help.

It's a wild contradiction.

[QUOTE=tpols;14916631]There were way more Kobe haters than fans of his back in the early 2000s. I was one of them... I didnt want him to beat the Nets when my state had a team.

iterally all I ever read from back then is hate. Can't win without Shaq. He's a rapist. Can't without Pau. Can't do this, can't do that.

I could name you 10x more haters of Kobe than his fans. Hakeem? Like OP showed never see anybody criticizing him. And Kobe won twice as much and at the end with similar help.

It's a wild contradiction.[/QUOTE]

No it really isn’t. Basketball fandom is an emotional thing by nature. Somebody popular is going to be polarizing. And people will hate because the emotional side of it. Hakeem likely just didn’t have that kind of draw.

There were no loud and obnoxious young kids shouting about him everywhere. Those kids all were in on Jordan. Those Jordan kids then became Kobe haters.

It has absolutely nothing to do with on court performance.

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It has absolutely nothing to do with on court performance.
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That's the entire point of this thread. Perception not matching reality. Kobe did way more, yet a lot of yalls minds are so warped with emotional hate... frankly like bitches... that you won't acknowledge it.

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Basketball fandom is an emotional thing by nature.
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And you JUST admitted that. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=tpols;14916633]That's the entire point of this thread. Perception not matching reality. Kobe did way more, yet a lot of yalls minds are so warped with emotional hate... frankly like bitches... that you won't acknowledge it.



And you JUST admitted that. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

What do you mean y’all?

It’s not an admission but a fact. Literally the definition of fandom

It has nothing to do with perception vs reality. It’s a matter of caring or not caring.

I think people don't blame his exits was because hakeem had those 2 amazing seasons and he almost always perform equal or better in the playoff relative to his RS.



Many players aren't like that. Like Curry...many times his performance drop in the playoff. Which is normal. Like in 2014, 2015, 2016.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14916598]Well, I didn't exclude his 2022 FMVP. I simply mentioned he has 1 FMVP whereas Hakeem has 2. And where did you get 28/10/8 from? In 2015, Steph put up 26/5/6 in the finals.

Iguodala got FMVP off of the strength of his defensive contribution. Not to mention, [B]he somehow had a slightly higher TS% than Steph during the series. [/B]And in the deciding game, Steph came up big, but overall they both were big contributors. Both guys dropped 25 points. I get there is an argument to be made about Steph winning the FMVP, but even if we were to give him that, then it would make them 2-2 in that category. Your original point was that he has accolades over Hakeem. This just isn't the case.[/QUOTE]


“somehow”

you mean because steph got doubled the entire series and shot on way more volume while iguodala had literally wide open looks?

c’mon man

Late 80's early 90's is arguably the greatest era in history. Definitely not a weak era.

As for not winning much, his teams were a dumpster fire in those years. He deserves some blame but not more than say KG in Minnesota.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14916641]“somehow”

you mean because steph got doubled the entire series and shot on way more volume while iguodala had literally wide open looks?

c’mon man[/QUOTE]

That's a fair point.