[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14941422]And I pointed out why that isn't relevant. "Can you read?"[/QUOTE]
You said offensively. I said exclusively post-up play. Those are not the same things.
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[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14941422]And I pointed out why that isn't relevant. "Can you read?"[/QUOTE]
You said offensively. I said exclusively post-up play. Those are not the same things.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14941425]You said offensively. I said exclusively post-up play. Those are not the same things.[/QUOTE]
And still not relevant. Feel free to have the last word.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14941418][B]2008-09 Pau Gasol Regular season: (81 games)[/B]
3-10 feet: 52.3% FG (29.5% of FGAs); [LEAGUE AVERAGES: 41.2% FG and 12.4% of FGAs]; Pau shot 26.9% above league average efficiency
10-16 feet: 49.2% FG (17.5% of FGAs); [LEAGUE AVERAGES: 39.5% FG and 11.1% of FGAs]; Pau shot 24.6% above league average efficiency
[B]2022-23 Nikola Jokic Regular season: (69 games)[/B]
3-10 feet: 64.3% FG (41.4% of FGAs); [LEAGUE AVERAGES: 45.4% FG and 20.6% of FGAs]; Nikola shot 41.6% above league average efficiency
10-16 feet: 50.0% FG (9.2% of FGAs); [LEAGUE AVERAGES: 44.7% FG and 9.6% of FGAs]; Nikola shot 11.9% above league average efficiency[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14941424][b]2008-09 Pau Gasol PLAYOFFS: (23 games)[/b]
3-10 feet: 56.5% FG (30.8% of FGAs); [LEAGUE AVERAGES: 41.2% FG and 12.4% of FGAs]; Pau shot 37.1% above league average efficiency
10-16 feet: 46.3% FG (14.9% of FGAs); [LEAGUE AVERAGES: 39.5% FG and 11.1% of FGAs]; Pau shot 17.2% above league average efficiency
[b]2022-23 Nikola Jokic PLAYOFFS: (20 games)[/b]
3-10 feet: 56.0% FG (52.2% of FGAs); [LEAGUE AVERAGES: 45.4% FG and 20.6% of FGAs]; Nikola shot 23.3% above league average efficiency
10-16 feet: 47.5% FG (9.7% of FGAs); [LEAGUE AVERAGES: 44.7% FG and 9.6% of FGAs]; Nikola shot 6.3% above league average efficiency[/QUOTE]
Jason Tatum is a good defender and Pau was known to be soft at times. But I think Gasol from 2008 to 2010 or 2011 is just too much size and skill for him. LA's frontcourt was a league-best powerhouse for a reason.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14941429]And still not relevant. Feel free to have the last word.[/QUOTE]
You are really childish for a moderator. Christ.
Here's a great 2008-09 season highlight video. He's being guarded by guys like Kenyon Martin, Chris Andersen, Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman, Luis Scola, Erick Dampier, Dirk Nowitzki, etc. I'm only a few minutes in but.. yeah, just way too big and skilled for Jason.
Tatum is only 6'8" barefoot with a 6'11" wingspan and an 8'10.5" standing reach. If I'm not mistaken, Gasol was a legit 7' barefoot with a 7'6" to 7'7" wingspan. And his standing reach looks really good per the game footage; easily more than Jokic's 9'3". Probably 9'5" to 9'7". Hell, look at this dunk from Gasol. Barely had to jump:
[img]https://i.ibb.co/pbCQvXW/92mor0.gif[/img]
FYI: Bam is 6'8.75" barefoot with a 7'2.75" wingspan and a 9'0" standing reach. It makes sense that Tatum can guard him given that they're not that far off in functional size.
[video=youtube;dXd24ggzeKA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXd24ggzeKA&ab_channel=Pick%26Roll[/video]
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14941424][b]2008-09 Pau Gasol PLAYOFFS: (23 games)[/b]
3-10 feet: 56.5% FG (30.8% of FGAs); [LEAGUE AVERAGES: 41.2% FG and 12.4% of FGAs]; Pau shot 37.1% above league average efficiency
10-16 feet: 46.3% FG (14.9% of FGAs); [LEAGUE AVERAGES: 39.5% FG and 11.1% of FGAs]; Pau shot 17.2% above league average efficiency
[b]2022-23 Nikola Jokic PLAYOFFS: (20 games)[/b]
3-10 feet: 56.0% FG (52.2% of FGAs); [LEAGUE AVERAGES: 45.4% FG and 20.6% of FGAs]; Nikola shot 23.3% above league average efficiency
10-16 feet: 47.5% FG (9.7% of FGAs); [LEAGUE AVERAGES: 44.7% FG and 9.6% of FGAs]; Nikola shot 6.3% above league average efficiency[/QUOTE]
Why are you just pretending volume and the way they’re guarded don’t matter? Gasol was playing with prime Kobe Bryant. I like Gasol but pump the brakes.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14941462]Here's a great 2008-09 season highlight video. He's being guarded by guys like Kenyon Martin, Chris Andersen, Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman, Luis Scola, Erick Dampier, Dirk Nowitzki, etc. I'm only a few minutes in but.. yeah, just way too big and skilled for Jason.
Tatum is only 6'8" barefoot with a 6'11" wingspan and an 8'10.5" standing reach. If I'm not mistaken, Gasol was a legit 7' barefoot with a 7'6" to 7'7" wingspan. And his standing reach looks really good per the game footage; easily more than Jokic's 9'3". Probably 9'5" to 9'7". Hell, look at this dunk from Gasol. Barely had to jump:
[img]https://i.ibb.co/pbCQvXW/92mor0.gif[/img]
FYI: Bam is 6'8.75" barefoot with a 7'2.75" wingspan and a 9'0" standing reach. It makes sense that Tatum can guard him given that they're not that far off in functional size.
[video=youtube;dXd24ggzeKA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXd24ggzeKA&ab_channel=Pick%26Roll[/video][/QUOTE]
Yea... that kind of solidified things for me. Tatum being able to guard Pau Gasol full time as a starter. Absolute insanity.
People think because he can play the 4 in today's small ball era means he could guard long 7 footers with tremendous post skill in the past. Goes to show some people have no idea what they're talking about. And then there's Bynum and Odom as well. It's crazy.
[QUOTE=tpols;14941488]Yea... that kind of solidified things for me. Tatum being able to guard Pau Gasol full time as a starter. Absolute insanity.
People think because he can play the 4 in today's small ball era means he could guard long 7 footers with tremendous post skill in the past. Goes to show some people have no idea what they're talking about. And then there's Bynum and Odom as well. It's crazy.[/QUOTE]
Playing Bynum Odom and Gasol at the same time is suicide in 2024, they'd get obliterated :oldlol:
[QUOTE=tontoz;14941405]:oldlol: @ the C's being "deeply flawed". They had the best record in the league by far in spite of chillin at times. They have strong 2 way players throughout their lineup.
How many ECF's have they played in the last few years? I lost count.[/QUOTE]
Weak era lool. Who is the last ec team that won. Even the west is weak now. They got bodied in 21. They are playing flawed teams as well. Mil is the only possible good team but they have had issues.
I mean flawed on a championship level. Dudes think they are a dynasty. Was a good win tho. It was a perfect storm. They are a reg season team. Def not a benchmark of greatness, or maybe they will continue to win. The nba isn’t gonna be much better next year and i bet they dont win again. And nah i want them to win, but they were flawed with a big line up and its even crazier to have tatum at pf.
-Smak
[QUOTE=ILLsmak;14941498]Weak era lool. Who is the last ec team that won. Even the west is weak now. They got bodied in 21. They are playing flawed teams as well. Mil is the only possible good team but they have had issues.
I mean flawed on a championship level. Dudes think they are a dynasty. Was a good win tho. It was a perfect storm. They are a reg season team. Def not a benchmark of greatness, or maybe they will continue to win. The nba isn’t gonna be much better next year and i bet they dont win again. And nah i want them to win, but they were flawed with a big line up and its even crazier to have tatum at pf.
-Smak[/QUOTE]
Your "analysis" is the only thing deeply flawed. Embarrassing.
Boston's top 2 are surely weaker than a lot of championship teams but 3-8 they are stronger than most of them in the last 30 years.
[QUOTE=ILLsmak;14941387]Wat, who is as good as Kobe? Pau is good enough that he makes the duo better. It's not like you can take one guy who is kinda better than Pau and another guy who is kinda worse than Kobe and it's equal.
I'm thinking... ANT / KAT? Maxey Embiid? I'm thinking fuccouttahere, brother.
You need to start with an atg SG and then add a big who complements him. There are people you could argue as ATG bigs, but it's not the same. You put the ball in Kobe's hands in this nba, and it would be crazy. Like half of the high impact players who have enough experience to win rings are over the hill atm.
-Smak[/QUOTE]
Luka, SGA, Jokic, Giannis...
Every contending team has a dominant duo in today's league.
Kobe/Pau stuck out in late 00s, but wouldn't in 2024.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14941492]Playing Bynum Odom and Gasol at the same time is suicide in 2024, they'd get obliterated :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
LA almost never played that lineup back then. What are you talking about? Odom came off the bench. He often started alongside Gasol because Bynum was oft-injured. I don't think that's what Tpols was suggesting.
Looking at the Basketball Reference lineup data, they only played a Bynum-Odom-Gasol lineup in the 2009-10 regular season for 77 minutes and 13 seconds out of 3,966 total minutes (1.95% of the time in 2009-10; 0.65% of the time from 2008-09 to 2010-11) It was +8.2 points per 100 for what it's worth:
[img]https://i.ibb.co/F3B3SQp/KEm-Mu-F6-d.webp[/img]
Gasol + Odom and Gasol + Bynum would be the staples as they were back then. With some Ariza and MWP at PF thrown in there depending on the year.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14941578]LA almost never played that lineup back then. What are you talking about? Odom came off the bench. He often started alongside Gasol because Bynum was oft-injured.[/QUOTE]
This. We were at our best with Gasol & Odom in the lineup & Ariza playing the 3. Artest actually made our team a bit worse, bad fit on offense, Ariza was better.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14941578]LA almost never played that lineup back then. What are you talking about? Odom came off the bench. He often started alongside Gasol because Bynum was oft-injured. I don't think that's what Tpols was suggesting.
Looking at the Basketball Reference lineup data, they only played a Bynum-Odom-Gasol lineup in the 2009-10 regular season for 77 minutes and 13 seconds out of 3,966 total minutes (1.95% of the time in 2009-10; 0.65% of the time from 2008-09 to 2010-11) It was +8.2 points per 100 for what it's worth:
[img]https://i.ibb.co/F3B3SQp/KEm-Mu-F6-d.webp[/img]
Gasol + Odom and Gasol + Bynum would be the staples as they were back then. With some Ariza and MWP at PF thrown in there depending on the year.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, I didn’t start seriously watching NBA until 2011 playoffs.
Still don’t like two big lineups in todays NBA if neither are a real threat from 3.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14941588]Fair enough, I didn’t start seriously watching NBA until 2011 playoffs.
Still don’t like two big lineups in todays NBA if neither are a real threat from 3.[/QUOTE]
then maybe refrain from speaking on shit you don’t know about????
Tbh I was always huge on Odom and Pau but Bynum never did it for me. To me he seemed like the guy who people thought he could tap into this potential but he never did. He had spurts of it but was never consistent, he wasn’t a big player in playoffs or finals. He literally was out of the league very prematurely it seemed after his Lakers stint. I always found the hype of Bynum puzzling. A combo of Laker homers being very optimistic and Kobe haters trying to prop up his cast to tear him down. I never saw Bynum as being anything from my point of view. It is what it is.