How good was Tracy McGrady actually? (vid)

I play in my men's league with his shoes and it's funny how the old heads love the shoes and all the younger guys ask if they are hardens

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14962943]Kobe wasn't noticeably better than Wade or peak McGrady either, they're all on the same tier. And you straight up left out Kawhi in regards to SF's.[/QUOTE]

Nah I'll take the Mamba over Wade or T-Mac peak wise. NOT SAYING it's a huge gap. At the same time Kobe was BETTER! Kobe is considered by many as the MOST SKILLED PLAYER OF ALL TIME! And defensively Kobe at his peak WAS BETTER THAN Wade and T-Mac! That's enough to swing it his way in peak argument againt Wade or T-Mac.

And when I was listing SF's, I DIDN'T FORGET Kawhi! I just listed some of the great SF's at off the top of my head. And FOR ME Bird, KD, Bron, Doc, Hondo, Baylor, and Barry are more MEMORABLE PLAYERS than Kawhi. Peak wise when Kawhi is ACTUALLY ON THE COURT, you can argue he's a top 5 level SF peak wise all time.

BUT GOAT SF wise, he's not on that same tier. Too many injuries and his durability brings him back to the pack. That Clippers situation was a total failure. Was better off going to the Lakers where he could have been a third option scorer INSTEAD of being relied upon the be the 1st option scorer. Kawhi's TWO WAY ABILITY is what make him an all time great. WHEN IT COMES to being that alpha dog #1 scoring option, I can name MANY SF's I would take over him. Guys who are MORE RELIABLE year after year willing their teams. And guys who are more DANGEROUS scoring the rock! I'm not saying Kawhi isn't #1 alpha dog scoring material. Just saying when it comes to THAT ASPECT, there are several SF's I would take over him.

I think D-Wade was the more consistent overall defender than Kobe. Kobe was probably a better man defender especially when motivated by big matchups vs Tmac/Dwade/Vince/AI etc, and particularly in like 2000 and 2001 when Shaq was behind him protecting the paint, but he wasn't anything special team defense-wise, and at the peak of his scoring ability he took his foot off the gas defensively alot of nights (one of the big differences between himself and peak MJ, Kobe didn't have the same athletic motor). His re-commitment to that side of the ball in 2008 when he had a better team around him coincided with his MVP win.

I wish I could see Orlando T-Mac in today's league.

^ He would be a worse shooting but more athletic version of KD, more or less. Less consistent shooter( not that he was a bad one at his best), better handle and passer, potentially a better defender when he chose to be. Probably better assist numbers because he'd probably be used as a point forward and have the ball in his hands alot more. If you flipped the eras they played, Tmac's efficiency would soar and KD's would be alot worse, he was prone to physical defense and there was plenty of it in the early 2000s.

Actually a better Paul George at whatever you consider his best to be may be a more apt comparison.