Someone trying to claim Hakeem > Jokic is straight up laughable.
Please dont bring up Hakeem's rings. They were not only won in the WEAKEST time period of the three point era (90's), but he also won the 2 years when peak MJ retired.
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Someone trying to claim Hakeem > Jokic is straight up laughable.
Please dont bring up Hakeem's rings. They were not only won in the WEAKEST time period of the three point era (90's), but he also won the 2 years when peak MJ retired.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14984849][B]Someone trying to claim Hakeem > Jokic is straight up laughable.[/B]
Please dont bring up Hakeem's rings. They were not only won in the WEAKEST time period of the three point era (90's), but he also won the 2 years when peak MJ retired.[/QUOTE]
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BuzzfeedLurk at it again
[QUOTE=tpols;14984848]But that's besides the point. [/QUOTE] Yes, it is. This is your second post where you don't answer the question. Drexler joined for the second championship. Who was the second scorer on that first title run?
If you guys think putting Jokic on one team and Hakeem on another in any era creates some significant degree of advantage for Dream's side... then you just dont have much credibility.
All the semantics about shooting % or defensive ability etc are immaterial. Put each guy on a team with everything else the same, who has the advantage in an actual 5 on 5 game of basketball?
The answer is probably neither, but if it's anyone it's Jokic. He is historically offensively dominant. If you think it's Hakeem "bc defense" then you must have Artest up there with Kobe. Or Toody alongside prime healthy Embiid. [I]Because theyre better defenders![/I]
"But but but defense" isnt a good argument. Individuals impact defense far less than they impact offense.
So, thats it. Accept something that is correct, or keep being loudly stupid. Your call.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14984852]Yes, it is. This is your second post where you don't answer the question. Drexler joined for the second championship. [B]Who was the second scorer on that first title run?[/B][/QUOTE]
John Starks.
:lol
2/18.
That was Hakeems 2nd option.
Jokic literally is all-time number one in a ton of advanced stats. Literally number 1.
It's hilarious seeing people try to down play him.
PER, BPM, WS/48, TS% (number 1 for volume scorers), etc. he's at the TOP of the list.
Jokic at his peak is the best combination of scoring/rebounding/passing by a good margin. The ONLY reason Jokic isn't the clear best player of all time is because he is average on defense. MJ/Kareem/Lebron's defensive capabilities at their peaks give them a SLIGHT edge over Jokic.
But Jokic absolutely dominates offense and rebounding at the highest combination (which is 2/3 of the game).
[QUOTE=tpols;14984848]No worse than the Knicks 2nd option in 1994 championship fight. Actually mightve been better given what John Starks did.
But that's besides the point. Hakeem played a long time in the NBA and never led offenses on the level that Jokic has been doing. And he didn't play with only bums. [B]1995 Clyde Drexler played like a HOFer [/B]on Houston when they won and he's one of the best guards ever.
It's OK to admit Jokic is a better offensive player than Hakeem my friend. It's like... a literal fact at this point with a mountain of evidence behind it.[/QUOTE]
Wrong again. In 95 Clyde played like 2012 Dwade, a diminished version of himself bit still capable of bright spots at times. He wasn't Blazers Clyde anymore.
[QUOTE=tpols;14984856]John Starks.
:lol
2/18.
That was Hakeems 2nd option.[/QUOTE]
So you won't even talk about the second scorer but want to act like the team offensive rating should be held against Olajuwon?
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14984849]Someone trying to claim Hakeem > Jokic [B]offensively[/B] is straight up laughable.
Please dont bring up Hakeem's rings. They were not only won in the WEAKEST time period of the three point era (90's), but he also won the 2 years when peak MJ retired.[/QUOTE]
Fixed that for you to make it true. There's more to basketball than just offense as well.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14984860]So you won't even talk about the second scorer but want to act like the team offensive rating should be held against Olajuwon?[/QUOTE]
[I]Youre RMWG![/I]
Hakeem never led an elite offense in his entire career I don't need to cherry pick one year. His offenses literally aren't even close to Jokics. Its not even close.
This site amazes me sometimes. Just in the past 25 hours I've had to debate people that Wade isnt as good as SGA, Durant wasn't the best player on the 2021 Nets, and now Hakeem can apparently QB all time great offenses like Jokic even though he never did.
It is amusing though to conversate this stuff. Thank you. :lol
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14984858]Jokic literally is all-time number one in a ton of advanced stats. Literally number 1.
It's hilarious seeing people try to down play him.
PER, BPM, WS/48, TS% (number 1 for volume scorers), etc. he's at the TOP of the list.
Jokic at his peak is the best combination of scoring/rebounding/passing by a good margin. The ONLY reason Jokic isn't the clear best player of all time is because he is average on defense. MJ/Kareem/Lebron's defensive capabilities at their peaks give them a SLIGHT edge over Jokic.
But Jokic absolutely dominates offense and rebounding at the highest combination (which is 2/3 of the game).[/QUOTE]
Box score stats lol.
Dim :(
[QUOTE=Neal Romer;14984863][I]Youre RMWG![/I][/QUOTE]
And you're arguing on the asinine premise that defense doesn't matter. You are attempting to be comic relief. Personally I don't find you funny. So I just don't see what you contribute. But I'm RMWG.
[QUOTE=tpols;14984864]Hakeem never led an elite offense in his entire career I don't need to cherry pick one year. His offenses literally aren't even close to Jokics. Its not even close.
This site amazes me sometimes. Just in the past 25 hours I've had to debate people that Wade isnt as good as SGA, Durant wasn't the best player on the 2021 Nets, and now Hakeem can apparently QB all time great offenses like Jokic even though he never did.
It is amusing though to conversate this stuff. Thank you. :lol[/QUOTE]
He would need to be with great offensive players to have a great offense. That never happened in the players'primes. But no one is saying that olajuwon is just as good as an overall offensive player. Just that he is a great offensive player along with being one of the greatest defensive players of all time. And yes, defense does matter.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14984866]And you're arguing on the asinine premise that defense doesn't matter. You are attempting to be comic relief. Personally I don't find you funny. So I just don't see what you contribute. [B]But I'm RMWG[/B].[/QUOTE]
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Thats awesome. But youre right. Arguing this over and over IS asinine. It doesnt matter what you think about Dream vs Joker. It doesnt matter what I think. We're dragging this out for multiple pages at the expense of much better things we could be doing with our time.
That's it. I'M RETIRING FROM INSIDEHOOPS for like at least a week. Starting now.