Boston has thrown Porziņģis out of the boat as well.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15017537]Completely understand that, I think what bothers me is they didn't get a player that moves the needle in return. Im not a C's fan but from where im sitting Porzingas was that last piece to get them over the hump. If they were my team I'd hate to see them build a champion then pivot away a year later. We saw Dallas do that and not reach the finals again for a while.[/QUOTE]

You dont seem to understand how terrified of the 2nd apron these teams are. These owners start losing out on millons. The Celtic owner would be paying 100's of millions of dollars every year in repeater tax. Thats never going to happen. Maybe the clippers. no one else can afford to burn 100's of millions of dollars except steve ballmer who has more money than every other nba owner combined. We are closer to the Celtics owners in lifestyle than they are to steve ballmer....let that sink in



They dont care about moving the needle. The new owner told the gm to get under the luxury tax by any means.



This is a business after all.


rest in piss 2015-2025 Celtics run. its finally over. they are finally gone

priz is to tall ,, for his frame .. but can be used 18-25 minutes a game if managed correctly.
Boston did not know what they had ...

[QUOTE=Jasper;15017610]priz is to tall ,, for his frame .. but can be used 18-25 minutes a game if managed correctly.
Boston did not know what they had ...[/QUOTE]

They knew. Made it a lot easier to trade him

[QUOTE=Meticode;15017581]We know they don't. They didn't win a ring without him this season. Problem is he's usually not on the court when it matters.[/QUOTE]

I'm surprised it was Hawks that got him. I could see a lot of contenders wanting to take a chance at him, particularly younger teams with good contracts.

Why didn't Houston get Zingis instead of Durant? Denver? Pacers?

Should have gotten rid of Brown instead. Overrated and overpaid.

[QUOTE=Gudo;15018060]Should have gotten rid of Brown instead. Overrated and overpaid.[/QUOTE]
What award has JB gotten in his entire career that he didn't deserve? The word "overrated" is frequently misused. As for who they should have/will gotten rid of, you will move Brown if you want to tank. He has led the team to 5 Conference Finals (and been part of 6). He's still under 30 but has done enough to get his jersey retired. On the flip side Porzingis has missed close to half the games in his time in Boston, a fact that people that want to act like he was just as important as Tatum and Brown always seem to ignore. He'll deserve his tribute video when the Hawks come to town but it's not even close.

We get it, you're a homer and you're willing to die on that hill. But nearly every advanced stat says that DeMar Derozan had a better offensive season than Brown last season. That's NASTY work considering DeRozan is 35, on the decline and paid less than half of Brown.

Yes, Brown is a much better defender, but it speaks to the absolute thoroughness of Brown's good-not-at-all great impact. He's an important cog of an overall well oiled machine and Celtics fans should have no reason to try and fix something that hasn't been broken this far. If the Celtics hold onto Brown, next year will cement his market level as the lead guy. If the team falls off a total cliff and Brown's stats are just as mediocre, his value will shrink 4 fold from its peak around 2.5 years ago.

[QUOTE=beasted;15018083]We get it, you're a homer and you're willing to die on that hill. But nearly every advanced stat says that DeMar Derozan had a better offensive season than Brown last season. That's NASTY work considering DeRozan is 35, on the decline and paid less than half of Brown.[/QUOTE]Demar Derozan had a Finals MVP award? He was an allstar? Guess I didn't notice. I guess all the GMS that contacted Boston trying to trade for JB must be Celtic homers too. You already died on the hill last year and at this point just seen to want attention.

[Quote]Yes, Brown is a much better defender,[/Quote]Are you sure? [QUOTE]but it speaks to the absolute thoroughness of Brown's good-not-at-all great impact. [/QUOTE]I know the Finals MVP award doesn't impress you much, but perhaps it could be used as a paperweight?[quote]He's an important cog of an overall well oiled machine and Celtics fans should have no reason to try and fix something that hasn't been broken this far. [/quote]No you've convinced me, they would be just as good with Derozan. Don't know why Stevens hasn't made the move yet, he could save a lot of money. Terrible GM.[quote]If the Celtics hold onto Brown, next year will cement his market level as the lead guy. If the team falls off a total cliff and Brown's stats are just as mediocre, his value will shrink 4 fold from its peak around 2.5 years ago.[/quote] Most mediocre all-star Finals MVP to ever make an AllNBA team?

[QUOTE=beasted;15018083]We get it, you're a homer and you're willing to die on that hill. But nearly every advanced stat says that DeMar Derozan had a better offensive season than Brown last season. That's NASTY work considering DeRozan is 35, on the decline and paid less than half of Brown.

Yes, Brown is a much better defender, but it speaks to the absolute thoroughness of Brown's good-not-at-all great impact. He's an important cog of an overall well oiled machine and Celtics fans should have no reason to try and fix something that hasn't been broken this far. If the Celtics hold onto Brown, next year will cement his market level as the lead guy. If the team falls off a total cliff and Brown's stats are just as mediocre, his value will shrink 4 fold from its peak around 2.5 years ago.[/QUOTE]

Well, it would make sense for them to let Brown put up career numbers next year and then move him when his value is at it's highest, right? He had a "meh" season and Playoffs and I don't think he's a great long-time partner for Tatum. Let him jack up 20+ shots a game and average 28 and move him for assets that make sense long-term.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15018114]Well, it would make sense for them to let Brown put up career numbers next year and then move him when his value is at it's highest, right? He had a "meh" season and Playoffs and I don't think he's a great long-time partner for Tatum. Let him jack up 20+ shots a game and average 28 and move him for assets that make sense long-term.[/QUOTE] They could have traded the "meh" allstar to Utah for their lottery pick, some players, and a general haul of assets. Then next year, with 4/5ths of the starting 5 gone, they have a lottery pick. But apparently the Celtics value Brown more than you and some of the posters on this board seem to. Meanwhile Brandon Ingram is on his threes team and counting. Go figure.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15018123]They could have traded the "meh" allstar to Utah for their lottery pick, some players, and a general haul of assets. Then next year, with 4/5ths of the starting 5 gone, they have a lottery pick. But apparently the Celtics value Brown more than you and some of the posters on this board seem to. Meanwhile Brandon Ingram is on his threes team and counting. Go figure.[/QUOTE]

Who's to say Jaylen Brown wouldn't have Ingram's career trajectory if he played on the Pelicans as well? Jaylen had years to develop on stacked teams that were coached well as a role player before turning into a star while BI played for one of the worst franchises in the league that still have no idea what they're doing to this day..

There are people here that argued to me in another thread that Bane's 40 million was too much, but apparently paying 50-60 million a year for a guy who puts up 22 points on mediocre efficiency because he can't shoot 3s is well worth the supermax.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15018126]Who's to say Jaylen Brown wouldn't have Ingram's career trajectory if he played on the Pelicans as well? Jaylen had years to develop on stacked teams that were coached well as a role player before turning into a star while BI played for one of the worst franchises in the league that still have no idea what they're doing to this day..

There are people here that argued to me in another thread that Bane's 40 million was too much, but apparently paying 50-60 million a year for a guy who puts up 22 points on mediocre efficiency because he can't shoot 3s is well worth the supermax.[/QUOTE]
Ingram is a Dion Waiters level player

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15018126]Who's to say Jaylen Brown wouldn't have Ingram's career trajectory if he played on the Pelicans as well? Jaylen had years to develop on stacked teams that were coached well as a role player before turning into a star while BI played for one of the worst franchises in the league that still have no idea what they're doing to this day..

There are people here that argued to me in another thread that Bane's 40 million was too much, but apparently paying 50-60 million a year for a guy who puts up 22 points on mediocre efficiency because he can't shoot 3s is well worth the supermax.[/QUOTE] Sure let's ignore the fact that Ingram was drafted by the Lakers and played with years of lottery picks as well as one of the greatest players of all time. A team that promptly won a championship after they traded him. And let's also ignore that in his second year Brown led the Celtics (alongside another one of your favorites) to the conference finals after the Celtics two best players got injured. But it's all because Ingram got drafted by the Pelicans (who didn't draft him).

Ingram would play d and stay hraltjy on a different franchise?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15018113]Demar Derozan had a Finals MVP award? He was an allstar? Guess I didn't notice. I guess all the GMS that contacted Boston trying to trade for JB must be Celtic homers too. You already died on the hill last year and at this point just seen to want attention.

Are you sure? I know the Finals MVP award doesn't impress you much, but perhaps it could be used as a paperweight?No you've convinced me, they would be just as good with Derozan. Don't know why Stevens hasn't made the move yet, he could save a lot of money. Terrible GM. Most mediocre all-star Finals MVP to ever make an AllNBA team?[/QUOTE]

I've already enumerated how Brown has something like the 3rd worst PPG for a Finals MVP over the last like 40 years. I have no clue why you keep harping on it. Someone from the winning team has to win it. Nobody is trying to take away his Finals MVP from him, so you can give it a rest.

But, ultimately, in the backdrop of comparison to other years Finals MVPs, he's literally statstically far below the average, which is not an opinion whatsoever. This is a clear indicator of his talent level overall.

As far as Brown's 2024-2025 regular season vs Derozan, I don't understand why you disagree with a pure fact since the 2023-2024 Finals MVP playoffs has nothing to do with it.

Derozan nearly across the board basic stats, advanced stats, comprehensive advanced stats like rAPM, basically universally in favor of DeRozan. Well, newsflash, nobody is raving about Derozan or how awesome of a player he is. Nearly everyone thinks of him as just a good solid player. The main problem is Brown is the 6th highest paid in the league, and Derozan is 70th, and nobody thinks Derozan is a underpaid.

Just say you hate facts and are biased.