when are we getting our billions back from the welfare whores in ukraine and israel?

[QUOTE=TheMan;15027102]I'd be cool with either, not all fundamentalist Muslims are jihadists like not all hasidic Jews are Zionists.[/QUOTE]

You shouldn't be cool with Muslims, period. Islam is hell-bent on global domination through force. Wake the **** up.

The real question is when are we gonna stop giving Ukraine and Israel billions and trillions of dollars?

When are you gonna actually put your money where your typing thumb is and stop giving them money.

Stop paying taxes and protest asshole.

Quit being a p u s s.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15027004]
oh yeah. :lol mtg, steve bannon, alex jones, candace owens, tucker - all just " woke righties" now because you're not liking what they're saying. the ones not taking that dark money aren't the truth tellers but the ones that [I]are[/I] compromised are the innocent ones. what kind of backward ass world are you living in?[/QUOTE]

Dude is a zealot. He'll just parrot anything his Magadaddies will tell him.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15027034]
3. Oh, a diplomatic solution you say? Tell me, does that solution involve Iran being able to have a nuke?[/QUOTE]

You can't bomb away knowledge. They'll rebuild their program sooner or later. If you don't want them to be a nuclear threat you have to make them into allies at some point and get rid of this weird fascination with "strong men". Neither Xi, Chamenei or Putin and whoever will follow them out of the same system is a "friend" of the US or the western world in any capacity.

[QUOTE=TheMan;15027102]I'd be cool with either, not all fundamentalist Muslims are jihadists like not all hasidic Jews are Zionists.[/QUOTE]

As someone who claims to be a man of God, why would you lie like this? You don't think we know that you're lying?

Ok let's rephrase the question. Would you rather live in a hasidic community or a muslim community that is strictly governed by sharia law? Where would you feel more safe and tolerated? You're aware that Iran enforces legal blasphemy laws right? Can you point to any jewish community or nation that does the same? Can you point to any christian nation that does the same? So yea, nobody here seriously believes you would rather surround yourself with extreme Muslims.

It's funny, you're crying about punishing the "pedos" on the Epstein list like it's the most important thing in the world for you, but here you are simping for a country and a religion where it's legal for an adult man to take a wife at 13 years old.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15027098]1. absolutely. i have no issue in making it clear that i don't think the israel lobby is some evil cabal or grand conspiracy and i agree that it's efforts and activities are similar to any other lobby in washington. but in regard to your question - what sets it apart from it's peers is it's extraordinary [U]effectiveness[/U] as a consequence of our unconditional and unbridled subservience and support. as i already mentioned, in the case of conflicting interests between our countries, the united states will, in most instances, choose israel's interests over ours, even for example at the risk of our national security. for instance, take bin laden's statements in regard to his motives for carrying out the 9/11 attacks due to our proxy role in oppressing and dehumanizing palestinians. i'm not saying that this was the only reason for bin laden's ambitions in orchestrating those attacks but it was a major driving force. there's also of course the case of iraq which i'm sure you're aware of despite, i'm guessing, your lack of agreement with that theory.


so this unprecedented "generosity" is well beyond compare, particularly in contrast to the effectiveness of other country's lobbies that are for the most part economically focused and any security interests are rudimentary in scope; and again any lobbying efforts pale in comparison in efficacy. we would not and do not stick our neck out for other countries in the same way that we do israel. furthermore it should go without saying that just because other powerful lobbies exist and exert great influence over our government, doesn't exempt the israel lobby from criticism; especially [I]now[/I] when something as controversial as what's transpiring in gaza with our tax dollars and the cancel culture and anti-semetic labeling that's being used to discredit and silence any criticism. not to mention the lobby's ability to manipulate mainstream media and sway american public opinion.

2. it's quite obvious that you haven't listened to any of the above commentators in any serious capacity in regard to this subject. aside from candace, who can stray off into liberal territory in some instances (which btw are arguments that should be at least entertained despite not havng to agree with them), their arguments are similar to mine being rooted in america first and are neither anti-israel or pro-palestinian.

3. no, incorrect. iran did not have and was not developing a nuclear weapon under barack obama's iran deal. a diplomatic solution is obviously always ideal before any type military action is taken.[/QUOTE]

1. Bro, you didn't answer the question at all. This whole time you've been making the case that Israel isn't just some normal lobby. That their influence outweighs everything and America always bows down at all costs. Okay so I ask again, HOW!?!? What EXACTLY gives Israel such influence? Are you telling me they have EVERYONE on supervision? THOUSANDS of politicians and military figures and not ONE person has ever put a screw in their plan?? EVERYONE in our government is being blackmailed by Israel and is just a puppet on a string!?!

2. I'm just saying the argument for being anti-zionist is total bullshit, not if you claim to be pro-american. Who says Israel didn't have the right to claim that land? What, so everyone is allowed to claim land except Israel? Every country on Earth was either conquered or claimed or taken. Saying Israel as a state doesn't have the right to exist is no different than saying that America has no right to exist. Evil zionist, evil colonizer. Same bullshit, different coat of paint.

3. The Iran deal was fukking retarded. First of all, it had 15 year limits which meant Iran could resume after that period. So what, let them make all this money for 15 years, give them more influence and sway over the region, and then in 15 years just say hey you're off probation now you can resume building your nuclear weapons??? :oldlol: As if they aren't gonna be violating the agreement the entire time?? Obama sent a shitload of cash to Iran on his way out too. So that's the plan? Pay our enemies NOT to develop a weapon?? :oldlol:

Imagine being pro 2nd amendment and then saying another country aren’t allowed to develop their own weapons?

It’s the most hypocritical weird cognitive dissonance I’ve seen in a while.

The people who want control Iran and their weapons are the same who wanna control you and your guns.

Stop being blind idiots.

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;15027223]Imagine being pro 2nd amendment and then saying another country aren’t allowed to develop their own weapons?

It’s the most hypocritical weird cognitive dissonance I’ve seen in a while.

The people who want control Iran and their weapons are the same who wanna control you and your guns.

Stop being blind idiots.[/QUOTE]

You understand there's a distinct difference between believing people should be able to own firearms for hunting and as a equalizer vs believing everyone should be able to own a nuke, right? Guns prevent 'might makes right'. A 5'3 115 lbs woman should not be at the mercy of a average sized mugger because she isn't allowed to carry to a gun. Owning a nuke gives power to the scale where you can oppress entire peoples. Huge difference.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15027215]1. Bro, you didn't answer the question at all. This whole time you've been making the case that Israel isn't just some normal lobby. That their influence outweighs everything and America always bows down at all costs. Okay so I ask again, HOW!?!? What EXACTLY gives Israel such influence? Are you telling me they have EVERYONE on supervision? THOUSANDS of politicians and military figures and not ONE person has ever put a screw in their plan?? EVERYONE in our government is being blackmailed by Israel and is just a puppet on a string!?! [/quote]

money - there isn't anything in this world that's more reliable than a man that can be bought with cold, hard cash. the israel lobby is at the top of the pyramid in regard to legal bribery on the hill.

politics - aipac. election manipulation. blackmail/kompromat. general ability to affect the careers of politicians. israel owns the mudpit in this regard.

religion - christian zionists, evangelical christians and to a lesser extent european guilt. this is arguably more powerful than the money aspect and that's saying something with how much of it gets funneled through congress.

-evil jewish wizards

there's also the fear of publicly being labeled as antisemitic and as i already mentioned, media control.

these three (money, politics and religion) combined key aspects are what sets the israel lobby apart from other powerful lobbies in washington in terms of it's effectiveness.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15027215]2. I'm just saying the argument for being anti-zionist is total bullshit, not if you claim to be pro-american. Who says Israel didn't have the right to claim that land? What, so everyone is allowed to claim land except Israel? Every country on Earth was either conquered or claimed or taken. Saying Israel as a state doesn't have the right to exist is no different than saying that America has no right to exist. Evil zionist, evil colonizer. Same bullshit, different coat of paint. [/quote]

alright then let's just tell it like it really is because you seem to be a straightforward guy - israel wants the land. that's what this is about. and because we're facilitating the mass murder and ethnic cleansing with our *ucking money, people have the right to oppose it. i don't support it.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15027236]You understand there's a distinct difference between believing people should be able to own firearms for hunting and as a equalizer vs believing everyone should be able to own a nuke, right? Guns prevent 'might makes right'. A 5'3 115 lbs woman should not be at the mercy of a average sized mugger because she isn't allowed to carry to a gun. Owning a nuke gives power to the scale where you can oppress entire peoples. Huge difference.[/QUOTE]

bro some people just aren't worth replying to.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15027180]As someone who claims to be a man of God, why would you lie like this? You don't think we know that you're lying?

Ok let's rephrase the question. Would you rather live in a hasidic community or a muslim community that is strictly governed by sharia law? Where would you feel more safe and tolerated? You're aware that Iran enforces legal blasphemy laws right? Can you point to any jewish community or nation that does the same? Can you point to any christian nation that does the same? So yea, nobody here seriously believes you would rather surround yourself with extreme Muslims.

It's funny, you're crying about punishing the "pedos" on the Epstein list like it's the most important thing in the world for you, but here you are simping for a country and a religion where it's legal for an adult man to take a wife at 13 years old.[/QUOTE]

Lol, way to move the goalposts. Now I gotta choose between living in an Islamic state or Israel? Lol I choose neither. I've seen the videos of Orthodox Jews spitting on Christians in Jerusalem, Zionists have repeatedly bombed Catholic churches in Gaza, they're not our allies, dummies like Chewing will pretend this isn't so but y'all don't fool me.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15027215]1. Bro, you didn't answer the question at all. This whole time you've been making the case that Israel isn't just some normal lobby. That their influence outweighs everything and America always bows down at all costs. Okay so I ask again, HOW!?!? What EXACTLY gives Israel such influence? Are you telling me they have EVERYONE on supervision? THOUSANDS of politicians and military figures and not ONE person has ever put a screw in their plan?? EVERYONE in our government is being blackmailed by Israel and is just a puppet on a string!?!

2. I'm just saying the argument for being anti-zionist is total bullshit, not if you claim to be pro-american. Who says Israel didn't have the right to claim that land? What, so everyone is allowed to claim land except Israel? Every country on Earth was either conquered or claimed or taken. Saying Israel as a state doesn't have the right to exist is no different than saying that America has no right to exist. Evil zionist, evil colonizer. Same bullshit, different coat of paint.

3. The Iran deal was fukking retarded. First of all, it had 15 year limits which meant Iran could resume after that period. So what, let them make all this money for 15 years, give them more influence and sway over the region, and then in 15 years just say hey you're off probation now you can resume building your nuclear weapons??? :oldlol: As if they aren't gonna be violating the agreement the entire time?? Obama sent a shitload of cash to Iran on his way out too. So that's the plan? Pay our enemies NOT to develop a weapon?? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

The money that Obama sent Iran was theirs to begin with, Iran isn't a US welfare queen like Israel.

@diamenz

1. So Isreal is able to control the U.S. because they control our politicians. They have everyone on payroll and/or can threaten to blackmail them. You still haven't explained how that makes them different from any other powerful lobby.

2. I don't think it's a land grab, I think it's a "sit the fukk down". Nobody bombed their entire country, they were just disarmed militarily. That along with some top people getting whacked. It was a message to both the country and it's leadership.

This shit has probably been in motion for years. Trump basically did a grand tour of the middle east this year and they received him like a king. These guys have probably been dying to muscle Iran out of the paint. These guys want to do business. They want to make money. No one is fighting when you're all making money. I don't think for a second that Israel is in this alone. ALL these countries are trying to get Iran on the same page.

[QUOTE=TheMan;15027264]The money that Obama sent Iran was theirs to begin with, Iran isn't a US welfare queen like Israel.[/QUOTE]

Wait is Israel a welfare queen or is Israel pulling the strings? You can only pick one, buddy. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=TheMan;15027262]Lol, way to move the goalposts. Now I gotta choose between living in an Islamic state or Israel? Lol I choose neither. I've seen the videos of Orthodox Jews spitting on Christians in Jerusalem, Zionists have repeatedly bombed Catholic churches in Gaza, they're not our allies, dummies like Chewing will pretend this isn't so but y'all don't fool me.[/QUOTE]

So if Israel isn't an ally, what are they? An enemy? What does that make Iran?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15026875]Uhh...

Because one of them is an invaluable ally and shares our values, and the other one is ruled by radical islamists???

Are you fukking stupid???[/QUOTE]

"Invaluable ally" for who? And since when does the ally continuously spy on us, play a hand in the sinking of our ships, assassination of our presidents, steal our nuclear secrets, and motivate us to go to war for their gain, resulting in the deaths of 7,000 of our own troops?

Sorry but I don't believe in the "radical islamists" fake propaganda anymore. That's what they sold to us with the war in Iraq. Notice when ISIS came along in Syria, they never attacked Israel? And look who's leading Syria now...surprise surprise.

I'm not the stupid one. I read into your beloved "ally" and their history. They're demons who use the US for their own political gain. I'm simply not ok with fighting wars for someone else.

Who the hell would run up their national debt for the sake of a nation that's really not an ally at all to the sum of $6 trillion? You expect us to be ok with this? What planet are you living on?