Democrats going to shutdown the government out of spite

Republicans - Lets significantly slash medicaid and other social programs to get MASSIVE taxcuts for the rich through and 100+ billion for ICE, gets rid of green energy investments

Democrats - Don't slash medicaid, and we will let the budget through if you negotiate that

Republicans - FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. LOOK AT OUR DEFICIT AND DEBT. WE WILL NOT GIVE MEDICAID FUND. (completely forgot about the historic taxcuts they passed). NO NEGOTIATION.

Democrats - Give us Medicaid funds or we won't give you everything you want if we get nothing

Republicans - SEE?? DEMOCRATS SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. WE WILL START FIRING PEOPLE IF YOU DON'T GIVE US EVERYTHING WE WANT

[QUOTE=bladefd;15036406]Republicans - Lets significantly slash medicaid and other social programs to get MASSIVE taxcuts for the rich through

Democrats - Don't slash medicaid, and we will let the budget through if you negotiate that

Republicans - FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. WE WILL NOT GIVE MEDICAID FUND. (completely forgot about the historic taxcuts they passed). NO NEGOTIATION.

Democrats - Give us Medicaid funds or we won't give you everything you want if we get nothing

Republicans - SEE?? DEMOCRATS SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT.[/QUOTE]

don't forget their version of fiscal responsibility is giving argentina $20 billion dollars while they bend over American farmers over a barrel and sodomize them.

[QUOTE]Q2 2025: top 10% gained $5T in wealth, bottom 50% gained $150 billion
Top 0.1% wealth has doubled since 2020 from $12.2T to $23.3T with stocks accounting for all of that growth
Top 1% own 50% of all individually held corporate equities and mutual fund shares; top 10% own 87%[/QUOTE]

Why do the top 1% need historic taxcuts?? I'm baffled. They are already gaining SIGNIFICANT wealth and still getting historic taxcuts. While cutting social programs for the middle-class and the poor. Even with those cuts, the taxcuts STILL add a few trillion to the debt. Can anyone justify that?

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15036235]When you ask for extremely unreasonable things... then it's hard to agree[/QUOTE]

WHAT “extremely unreasonable things”?

[QUOTE=Chick Stern;15036452]WHAT “extremely unreasonable things”?[/QUOTE]

The made-up "healthcare for illegal immigrants" thing.

None of you will address that these extensions were for a once-in-a-lifetime event and were meant to sunset (or would never have passed). Give an inch (covid) and Democrats want not a mile but eternity (permanent). This insane government spending has got to stop - not expand.

Do you ALL really think that ACA subsidies should be available without income limits? Just more insidious movement toward universal healthcare.

[QUOTE=rmt;15036460]None of you will address that these extensions were for a once-in-a-lifetime event and were meant to sunset (or would never have passed). Give an inch (covid) and Democrats want not a mile but eternity (permanent). This insane government spending has got to stop - not expand.

Do you ALL really think that ACA subsidies should be available without income limits? Just more insidious movement toward universal healthcare.[/QUOTE]

Crickets. Are you ALL ok with $12 million unused policies (NO claims in 2024) subsidized by taxpayers? Some states report more subsidized enrollees than census data shows could exist - you all ok with that?

[video=youtube;AK3LSyQe2vc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK3LSyQe2vc[/video]

[QUOTE=rmt;15036460]None of you will address that these extensions were for a once-in-a-lifetime event and were meant to sunset (or would never have passed). Give an inch (covid) and Democrats want not a mile but eternity (permanent). This insane government spending has got to stop - not expand.

Do you ALL really think that ACA subsidies should be available without income limits? Just more insidious movement toward universal healthcare.[/QUOTE]

You have to question why you are against universal healthcare?
Overwhelming evidence shows that it would be much cheaper per capita.
Overwhelming evidence shows that there are better health results in virtually every category.
Overwhelming evidence shows that citizens do not go bankrupt due to medical costs.

You are concerned about big government? Who incidentally must be transparent.
Instead you advocate for big med/pharma, who cut service at every level, add layers of bureaucracy, continually increase costs to the individual, have no incentive to be accountable, and continually increase their profit margin.
It’s inane that you advocate for your corporate overlords.

Trump is shutting down the government because congress now has the votes to release the Epstein Files.

[QUOTE=Chick Stern;15036516]You have to question why you are against universal healthcare?
Overwhelming evidence shows that it would be much cheaper per capita.
Overwhelming evidence shows that there are better health results in virtually every category.
Overwhelming evidence shows that citizens do not go bankrupt due to medical costs.

You are concerned about big government? Who incidentally must be transparent.
Instead you advocate for big med/pharma, who cut service at every level, add layers of bureaucracy, continually increase costs to the individual, have no incentive to be accountable, and continually increase their profit margin.
It’s inane that you advocate for your corporate overlords.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chick Stern;15036516]You have to question why you are against universal healthcare?
Overwhelming evidence shows that it would be much cheaper per capita.
Overwhelming evidence shows that there are better health results in virtually every category.
Overwhelming evidence shows that citizens do not go bankrupt due to medical costs.

You are concerned about big government? Who incidentally must be transparent.
Instead you advocate for big med/pharma, who cut service at every level, add layers of bureaucracy, continually increase costs to the individual, have no incentive to be accountable, and continually increase their profit margin.
It’s inane that you advocate for your corporate overlords.[/QUOTE]

I am assuming that you are getting your overwhelming evidence from countries like Sweden, Norway? There are several things in contrast here the US. Their education is free** - they don't pay for medical school. Are you going to tell all the US medical schools NOT to charge for med school. Good luck with that.

The average salary of a doctor in Sweden is about $125k - in the US, it's much higher. Are we going to adjust DOWNWARD all physicians' salary to fit your cheaper per capita health care costs? And if a doctor has to train 4 years undergrad, 4 years medical school, 3-7 years of residency with hundreds of thousands in school loans, who is going to want to be paid $125k in salary - NO ONE. And even if you could get some fools to agree, what? will we adjust down the salary of accountants, lawyers, engineers to match? Ludicrous.

The US is a litigious society - our doctors (in particular), healthcare providers, hospitals must protect themselves against lawsuits which costs money - this malpractice/liability insurance is expensive. They are in many cases (over) trained - OT, PT, speech therapist must have doctorates. Are you going to be able to pass laws so that people cannot sue health care providers (as I assume it is in Sweden/Norway)? Good luck with that.

Pharma spends billions in research which they try to recoup before whatever patent sunsets (and becomes a generic). The rest of the world copies much of what the US discovers and charges pennies on the dollar. Are you going to prevent Pharma from charging so much? What do you think will happen to drug research in the US? It will dry up - because there is no incentive to spend billions if you can't recoup them. Then what, we just don't have any more cancer, alzheimer's, etc. research?

You might not like the society that we live in but reality is that this is the way it is - good luck taking on educational, medical, legal, pharma to change the system

**Chrome: How much does it cost for EEA education of doctor in Sweden

AI Overview
Medical education is free of charge in Sweden for EU/EEA citizens and does not require tuition fees. This means that if you are a citizen of a country within the European Union or European Economic Area, you will not have to pay any tuition for your medical studies at Swedish universities.
Key Points:
EU/EEA Citizens Pay No Tuition: Citizens of EU/EEA countries, along with citizens of Switzerland, are exempt from tuition fees for higher education in Sweden, including medical school

[QUOTE=Chick Stern;15036516]You have to question why you are against universal healthcare?
Overwhelming evidence shows that it would be much cheaper per capita.
Overwhelming evidence shows that there are better health results in virtually every category.
Overwhelming evidence shows that citizens do not go bankrupt due to medical costs.

You are concerned about big government? Who incidentally must be transparent.
Instead you advocate for big med/pharma, who cut service at every level, add layers of bureaucracy, continually increase costs to the individual, have no incentive to be accountable, and continually increase their profit margin.
It’s inane that you advocate for your corporate overlords.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chick Stern;15036516]You have to question why you are against universal healthcare?
Overwhelming evidence shows that it would be much cheaper per capita.
Overwhelming evidence shows that there are better health results in virtually every category.
Overwhelming evidence shows that citizens do not go bankrupt due to medical costs.

You are concerned about big government? Who incidentally must be transparent.
Instead you advocate for big med/pharma, who cut service at every level, add layers of bureaucracy, continually increase costs to the individual, have no incentive to be accountable, and continually increase their profit margin.
It’s inane that you advocate for your corporate overlords.[/QUOTE]

I am assuming that you are getting your overwhelming evidence from countries like Sweden, Norway? There are several things in contrast here the US. Their education is free** - they don't pay for medical school. Are you going to tell all the US medical schools NOT to charge for med school. Good luck with that.

The average salary of a doctor in Sweden is about $125k - in the US, it's much higher. Are we going to adjust DOWNWARD all physicians' salary to fit your cheaper per capita health care costs? And if a doctor has to train 4 years undergrad, 4 years medical school, 3-7 years of residency with hundreds of thousands in school loans, who is going to want to be paid $125k in salary - NO ONE. And even if you could get some fools to agree, what? will we adjust down the salary of accountants, lawyers, engineers to match? Ludicrous.

The US is a litigious society - our doctors (in particular), healthcare providers, hospitals must protect themselves against lawsuits which costs money - this malpractice/liability insurance is expensive. They are in many cases (over) trained - OT, PT, speech therapist must have doctorates. Are you going to be able to pass laws so that people cannot sue health care providers (as I assume it is in Sweden/Norway)? Good luck with that.

Pharma spends billions in research which they try to recoup before whatever patent sunsets (and becomes a generic). The rest of the world copies much of what the US discovers and charges pennies on the dollar. Are you going to prevent Pharma from charging so much? What do you think will happen to drug research in the US? It will dry up - because there is no incentive to spend billions if you can't recoup them. Then what, we just don't have any more cancer, alzheimer's, etc. research?

You might not like the society that we live in but reality is that this is the way it is - good luck taking on educational, medical, legal, pharma to change the system

**Chrome: How much does it cost for EEA education of doctor in Sweden

AI Overview
Medical education is free of charge in Sweden for EU/EEA citizens and does not require tuition fees. This means that if you are a citizen of a country within the European Union or European Economic Area, you will not have to pay any tuition for your medical studies at Swedish universities.
Key Points:
EU/EEA Citizens Pay No Tuition: Citizens of EU/EEA countries, along with citizens of Switzerland, are exempt from tuition fees for higher education in Sweden, including medical school

[QUOTE=rmt;15036460]None of you will address that these extensions were for a once-in-a-lifetime event and were meant to sunset (or would never have passed). Give an inch (covid) and Democrats want not a mile but eternity (permanent). This insane government spending has got to stop - not expand.

Do you ALL really think that ACA subsidies should be available without income limits? Just more insidious movement toward universal healthcare.[/QUOTE]

How can you justify the historic taxcuts as the premise for that? Drop the historic taxcuts, and you now have a point.

I noticed MAGA has not addressed the taxcuts, so lets put you on record. Do you support historic taxcuts for the rich adding 3 trillion to the debt even AFTER healthcare insurance/other social cuts including for green energy? How about 150 billion for ICE or a trillion dollars for the military?

More money for ICE wouldn't be needed if Biden didn't open up the border to millions of undocumented illegals. The more deported the better. It's not rocket science.

[QUOTE=bladefd;15036543]How can you justify the historic taxcuts as the premise for that? Drop the historic taxcuts, and you now have a point.

I noticed MAGA has not addressed the taxcuts, so lets put you on record. Do you support historic taxcuts for the rich adding 3 trillion to the debt even AFTER healthcare insurance/other social cuts including for green energy? How about 150 billion for ICE or a trillion dollars for the military?[/QUOTE]

I have stated repeatedly that I do not support deficits and every dollar saved from DOGE cuts, tariffs, etc. should go toward reducing our debt. The tax cuts have passed - they are not the subject of this government shutdown. If you want to decide what to spend money on, win elections.

I support deporting illegal aliens - they are not supposed to be here. A major part of why Trump won is because Biden opened up the border to "asylum seekers" when everyone knows the majority of them have no such claim.

[QUOTE=rmt;15036460]None of you will address that these extensions were for a once-in-a-lifetime event and were meant to sunset (or would never have passed). Give an inch (covid) and Democrats want not a mile but eternity (permanent). This insane government spending has got to stop - not expand.

[B]Do you ALL really think that ACA subsidies should be available without income limits?[/B] Just more insidious movement toward universal healthcare.[/QUOTE]

Of course not. But you need to consider the repercussions of these things for the providers too.

While the barrier of entry is certainly an issue and should be addressed on an individual standpoint, hospitals are being affected by this as much as anyone. Remember that they also have these subsidies that are now being scrutinized heavily.

Most of these are non-profit systems as well. The thought processes with all of them is how to innovate and improve the patient experience.

I know because I work with them every day. Doesn't matter if you're a doctor, nurse, Cloud engineer, help desk associate, supply chain VP. When the rug is pulled out from you when truly positive actions are being taken? Not the best thing.

That's not to say that a program should be abused but many don't know what it takes to run a healthcare system..and money is important to have it be optimal.