Ben Wallace and Joakim Noah separated in locker room...at half time

[QUOTE=boozehound]I dont think the issue was really the laughing on the bench. more likely, noah's track record of tardiness and coach fighting leaves him little room to criticize other players, esp as a rookie. cmon now, its not like hes been the answer in the middle for them, hell aaron grey has played better than him at times.[/QUOTE]
Laughing while your team is losing is not acceptable under any circumstances. It’s something you learn in Peewee ball that NEVER changes.

Past mistakes do not over-ride a guy’s ability to point out right and wrong. Jo Noah could have punched a coach in the face two days ago; he would still be 100% correct in raising a complaint about laughing on the bench.

Honestly, for Coach Boylan to not address it when it happened and Ben Wallets [I](best derogatory nickname in sports right now)[/I] wanting to fight over it says a lot about the Bulls’ shortcomings this season.

[QUOTE=Da KO King]Laughing while your team is losing is not acceptable under any circumstances. It

[QUOTE=boozehound]Next time your team is losing, watch the bench the whole game. There will be laughter.


Im not saying its right, simply that its fairly hypocritical for a guy who just got into a physical confrontation with a coach ( a much bigger no no than laughing) to be trying to bust chops over proper behavior. Again, it has as much to do with how little respect he has garnered from his teammates this season (due to his arrogance, abrasiveness, whatever) as it does the actual incident. Hes not respected, so no one is really going to listen to him (they probably are fed up with his attitude and so forth)[/QUOTE]

Exactly. This would be much different if it were coming from Adrian Griffin or Joe Smith. It's too bad one of them didn't bring it up in a more tactful way. I have a hard time believing Noah does anything tactfully...

[QUOTE=Patrick27]I have a hard time believing Ben Wallace is the only one disturbed by Noah's outbursts. He's yelled at the coach, complained about teammates, and called his team out in the media after playing his first NBA game. He hasn't played half a season yet! If I were a GM, that's more than a red flag to me, that's a red bombardment of flags...

EDIT: Oh, thanks for reminding me about the constant tardiness too. I'd forgotten.[/QUOTE]
Last year Wallace fought with Scott Skiles over something as stupid as his headband, does that matter now?

The fans will let their opinion known when the Bulls come back from the road trip. They'll cheer loudly for Noah, and they'll give Wallace the Marbury treatment. Soon after Reinsdorf (who only cares about money) will not like the fact that people will stop going to the games because of Wallace's presence.

Wallace will not finish this season on the Bulls. Either he'll be traded or more likely sent home.

He's done with the Bulls.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Last year Wallace fought with Scott Skiles over something as stupid as his headband, does that matter now?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure how it's relevant. I don't recall the whole team getting together to have Wallace benched over his issues.

While Noah may have his heart in the right place trying to motivate and encourage his team (and may be correct in what he's saying), his own (well documented) issues have caused them to lose respect for him.

[QUOTE=Patrick27]Heh, yeah. I'd love to see Noah try to tell Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili how to behave on the bench...

Better yet, send him to Utah. I want to see him and Sloan throw down. I'd take Sloan in 4 rounds.

No, wait! Send him to Sacramento and introduce him to Artest![/QUOTE]

Sloan would love Noah.
He is picture perfect for hard nosed effort coach like Jerry.

[QUOTE=Valliant13]Sloan would love Noah.
He is picture perfect for hard nosed effort coach like Jerry.[/QUOTE]

Noah's often tardy and got into a scuffle with his current coach. Are you sure about that?

[QUOTE=Patrick27]I'm not sure how it's relevant. I don't recall the whole team getting together to have Wallace benched over his issues.[/QUOTE]

Wallace's contract and closeness to Reinsdorf (through his agent) has made Wallace untouchable. He literally has more power than the GM (Paxson) right now. If you piss Wallace off, he'll find a way to get rid of you.

Ask Scott Skiles.

[QUOTE=dak121]The fans will let their opinion known when the Bulls come back from the road trip. They'll cheer loudly for Noah, and they'll give Wallace the Marbury treatment. Soon after Reinsdorf (who only cares about money) will not like the fact that people will stop going to the games because of Wallace's presence.

Wallace will not finish this season on the Bulls. Either he'll be traded or more likely sent home.

He's done with the Bulls.[/QUOTE]
fans arent always in the right you know.:rolleyes:

especially when its regarding a situation reported through undisclosed sources and the media filter. The media is always looking for controversy. thats what sells

No ones taking wallace of your hands until the last year of his deal. you are stuck with him (or at least his salary) for another 2.5 years

[QUOTE=dak121]Wallace's contract and closeness to Reinsdorf (through his agent) has made Wallace untouchable. He literally has more power than the GM (Paxson) right now. If you piss Wallace off, he'll find a way to get rid of you.

Ask Scott Skiles.[/QUOTE]
sure didnt ahve anything to do with their miserable start and the terrible play from their "big" 3 (Kirk, ben, deng) :rolleyes:

get some perspective

[QUOTE=Patrick27]I'm not sure how it's relevant. I don't recall the whole team getting together to have Wallace benched over his issues.[/QUOTE]
I mention it because people talk about Noah getting into it with Coaches. In that regard, how is Wallace any better?

You can't argue with Wallace's record (Carisle, Brown, Flip, Skiles), but Bulls fas are trying to blame the season on him when he is such a small part of their terribleness.

I'm with Noah on this one.

I can't believe he's the only one who's pissed about players not caring during a loss.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]I mention it because people talk about Noah getting into it with Coaches. In that regard, how is Wallace any better?[/QUOTE]
because he still has the respect of his teammates? Look we can speculate all we want, but we are really overblowing a undisclosed source media report about a lockeroom altercation. WE cant really know what goes on, but it is clear that his teammates think Noah was way out of line last week. Its stupid to present yourself as a vocal leader in the lockerroom over a really small issue right after your teammates asked the coaching staff to discipline you. Noah's passion may be a great benefit on the court, but it also leads him to make stupid decisions.