Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
[QUOTE=Loki]Who said he didn't play great defense? The points I made don't mean that he didn't play great defense, only that he didn't play as great defense as the numbers alone suggest.
And no, I don't think it's odd, because I know for a fact that I'm one of the few people who have watched that entire series in the last few years, so I know what I'm talking about. I know for a fact that there are a lot of Jordan haters or in this case GP lovers who just look at the numbers and jump to conclusions.
Here's a clue: there's a reason I ALWAYS tell people to watch the games to verify what I'm saying, and it's not because I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]
Yeah Loki, you are the only who remembers the series clearly and everyone else is wrong. :rolleyes: I saw them again last winter and was once again amazed by Payton's defense. But my favorite were the games where Payton straight up outplayed Michael Jordan on both ends of the game when both were guarding each other....in the NBA Finals.
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
[QUOTE=Glove_20]Yeah Loki, you are the only who remembers the series clearly and everyone else is wrong. :rolleyes: I saw them again last winter and was once again amazed by Payton's defense. But my favorite were the games where Payton straight up outplayed Michael Jordan on both ends of the game when both were guarding each other....in the NBA Finals.[/QUOTE]
lol
Again, anyon is welcome to go watch the series.
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
I think Pippen in practice with his length and knowledge would be the correct answer, but if you pressed Mike he'd probably say Alvin Robertson judging from his respect of Robertson's defense from a few interviews in the late '80's.
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
[QUOTE=GOBB]Hersey Hawkins[/QUOTE]
You know it!
Actually Jordan did claim Hersey was amongst the top defenders he's ever faced. Hersey was a strong defender considering he played forward/center in HS and some of college. Always forced to gaurd much larger post players. Very effective against MJ's onslaught of post-up turnaround J's.
I've seen an interview where that questioned was posed to Jordan and he said Harper was the best at staying in front of him whereas Dumars was the best at defending him ie. contesting shots and stripping him.
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
[QUOTE=hateraid]I've seen an interview were that questioned was posed to Jordan and he said Harper wa the best at staying in front of him whereas Dumars was the best at defending him ie. contesting shots and stripping him.[/QUOTE]
Incredibly quick hands was definitely a Dumars trademark. I think it would have been interesting to see how differently Dumars would defend him playing for the Clippers/Cleveland and Harper for the Pistons.
The Bulls ran a lot of high screens for Jordan when he was guarded by Harper to force Harper away from him. Harper did a fairly good job of giving his man a spot on the court away from the screener though. Detroit had quicker defensive players who could switch more effectively so Jordan did more driving and spot up jump shooting. Harper didn't have the same hand quickness as Dumars, but it would be interesting to see a big, athletic guard like that on Jordan with 4 Pistons behind him waiting to help.
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
[QUOTE=BIZARRO]I think Pippen in practice with his length and knowledge would be the correct answer, but if you pressed Mike he'd probably say Alvin Robertson judging from his respect of Robertson's defense from a few interviews in the late '80's.[/QUOTE]
Good call.
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
[QUOTE=Chicago76]Incredibly quick hands was definitely a Dumars trademark. I think it would have been interesting to see how differently Dumars would defend him playing for the Clippers/Cleveland and Harper for the Pistons.
The Bulls ran a lot of high screens for Jordan when he was guarded by Harper to force Harper away from him. Harper did a fairly good job of giving his man a spot on the court away from the screener though. Detroit had quicker defensive players who could switch more effectively so Jordan did more driving and spot up jump shooting. Harper didn't have the same hand quickness as Dumars, but it would be interesting to see a big, athletic guard like that on Jordan with 4 Pistons behind him waiting to help.[/QUOTE]
Detoit regularly put Rodman (who is an inch or so taller than Harper) on Jordan, and Harper was nowhere near the defender Rodman was. Seriously, are you Ron Harper himself? :oldlol: You're acting like '88-'93 Harp was prime Michael Cooper on defense. :oldlol:
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
[QUOTE=hateraid]You know it!
Actually Jordan did claim Hersey was amongst the top defenders he's ever faced. Hersey was a strong defender considering he played forward/center in HS and some of college. Always forced to gaurd much larger post players. Very effective against MJ's onslaught of post-up turnaround J's.
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Yeah, I guess that's why Jordan averaged [b]43.0 pts/6.8 reb/7.4 ast/3 stl/1+ blk/53% FG[/b] vs. Hawkins and Philly in the '90 playoffs over 5 games (including three consecutive games of 45/49/45 points which included a furious 27 point 4th quarter from MJ to almost win game 3). And why Jordan averaged [b]33.4 pts/8.0 reb/7.9 ast/2+ stl/1+ blk/52+% FG[/b] vs. Hawkins and the Sixers in the 1991 playoffs.
I mean, come on man... :oldlol: My guess is that GOBB was being facetious. Not that Hawkins was a bad defender (he wasn't), but he didn't do as good a job on Jordan (relatively) as others did.
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
The guys I remember checking Jordo well were:
Miller *
Dumars *
Harper *
Hawkins
Payton
Richmond *
The Worm
This is not to say Jordo didn't throw huge #'s at them or they stopped him or whatever. But compare them to some of the very good players he just toyed with and abused.
*= guys Jordo propped up as defending him well. I dont remember Hawkins but it would not surprise me. He must have been asked the question "who checks you the best" a zillion times.
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
[QUOTE=Scott Pippen]Scottie, in practice:applause:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
Michael Jordan came out of retirement after 15 months to play in a benefit game (Scottie Pippen All-Star Classic - September, 1994).
Jordan scored 52 points to lead his team to a 187-150 victory. Jordan made 24 of 46 shots. As he left the floor, the crowd of nearly 20,000 gave him a standing ovation.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AhmLH6eJPk&feature=related[/url]
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
Dougie defended him the best.
Yea Gerald Wilkins when he played for the knicks the best, so good that the refs were blowing the whistle on him constantly to keep him in foul trouble even when he just played good D on him .
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
[QUOTE=Loki]Detoit regularly put Rodman (who is an inch or so taller than Harper) on Jordan, and Harper was nowhere near the defender Rodman was. Seriously, are you Ron Harper himself? :oldlol: You're acting like '88-'93 Harp was prime Michael Cooper on defense. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
And you're acting as if you are MJ himself, because apparently in your eyes, Loki's opinion >>> MJ's stated opinion. :rolleyes:
You've pretty much made my case. Detroit had better resources to play team defense against Jordan. Thanks son.
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
Any post where I have to click the link to show who the hell you are talking about is absolutely worthless.
Re: Who defended Jordan the best?
the best as in one on one i would have to vote for payton but it doesnt necessarily mean that they would make jordan look like a kid. jordan got bad shooting nights not because of one person alone but because of the swarming team defense.. plus the knicks with john starks lol watch the series again jordan would always whip john's a$$. Joe dumars played good on ball defense ala bruce bowen but he never really shut down jordan. If michael wants to score he will score regardless who is defending him.