yeah too bad Bird can't play with these cats today though :hammerhead:
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yeah too bad Bird can't play with these cats today though :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=allball]yeah too bad Bird can't play with these cats today though :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[B]He was guarded by [COLOR="Red"]6`10 Horace Grant [/COLOR]and destroyed him in the Post: [COLOR="Blue"]6-10 / 2,08. Weight: 245 lbs[/COLOR][/B]
[B][I]A [COLOR="DarkGreen"]34 Year Old Bird[/COLOR] Schooling [COLOR="Red"]25 year old PF Horace Grant [/COLOR] in [U]POST PLAY[/U][/I][/B]
[B]A Bird..today would be a 240 lbs 6`9 1/2 Smallforward that is more:
-Skilled than any player in the League
-Both Handed Passing and Shooting
-Best Shooter in the League
-Best Passing Forward in the League
-Best Rebounding Skilled Player (no the top rebounder but skill wise the Best) not to mention SF
-Most Creative and Talented Player: Which would Even Have More Impact because the Game is Slower (like the E. COnference of the 80s) which will have him become an even better Team Defender.
- Smartest Player of all time in Today`s Unfundamental Game, Smartest Player there Would Ever Be.
- Has all the fundamentals: All!
- Clutchest player among All
- Most Competitive Player in the League (hates to loose more than Any)
A 81 to 86 Prime Bird (ages 22-30 span) would average 28-32 (50-54% FG), 12-10 RPG, 8-9 APG with ease and in his 30-35 year spanhe would average 22-26 PPG (47-50%), 9-10 RPG, 7-8 APG.
Bird would be the Best Player in the League as Jordan said: The Most Complete and Smartest Player He Ever Saw :eek: :violin: :confusedshrug: [/B]
[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NTqDdZz2dHM[/url]
[B]Taking to School (Teaching Some Basic Post Play) in the Post on: Short and Weak [COLOR="Red"]6`10 ft Horace Grant[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]6`10 ft Horace Grant [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]6-10 / 2,08. Weight: 245 lbs[/COLOR][/B]
[B][I][COLOR="DarkGreen"]BIRD AT AGE 34![/COLOR] and [COLOR="Red"]Grant at age 25[/COLOR][/I][/B]
[B]A Bird..today would be a 240 lbs 6`9 1/2 Smallforward that is more:
-Skilled than any player in the League
-Both Handed Passing and Shooting
-Best Shooter in the League
-Best Passing Forward in the League
-Best Rebounding Skilled Player (no the top rebounder but skill wise the Best) not to mention SF
-Most Creative and Talented Player: Which would Even Have More Impact because the Game is Slower (like the E. COnference of the 80s) which will have him become an even better Team Defender.
- Smartest Player of all time in Today`s Unfundamental Game, Smartest Player there Would Ever Be.
- Has all the fundamentals: All!
- Clutchest player among All
- Most Competitive Player in the League (hates to loose more than Any)
A 81 to 86 Prime Bird (ages 22-30 span) would average 28-32 (50-54% FG), 12-10 RPG, 8-9 APG with ease and in his 30-35 year spanhe would average 22-26 PPG (47-50%), 9-10 RPG, 7-8 APG.
Bird would be the Best Player in the League as Jordan said: The Most Complete and Smartest Player He Ever Saw :eek: :violin: :confusedshrug: [/B]
[QUOTE=Sir Charles][url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NTqDdZz2dHM[/url]
[B]Taking to School (Teaching Some Basic Post Play) in the Post on: Short and Weak [COLOR="Red"]6`10 ft Horace Grant[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]6`10 ft Horace Grant [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]6-10 / 2,08. Weight: 245 lbs[/COLOR][/B]
[B]A Bird..today would be a 240 lbs 6`9 1/2 Smallforward that is more:
-Skilled than any player in the League
-Both Handed Passing and Shooting
-Best Shooter in the League
-Best Passing Forward in the League
-Best Rebounding Skilled Player (no the top rebounder but skill wise the Best) not to mention SF
-Most Creative and Talented Player: Which would Even Have More Impact because the Game is Slower (like the E. COnference of the 80s) which will have him become an even better Team Defender.
- Smartest Player of all time in Today`s Unfundamental Game, Smartest Player there Would Ever Be.
- Has all the fundamentals: All!
- Clutchest player among All
- Most Competitive Player in the League (hates to loose more than Any)
A 81 to 86 Prime Bird (ages 22-30 span) would average 28-32 (50-54% FG), 12-10 RPG, 8-9 APG with ease and in his 30-35 year spanhe would average 22-26 PPG (47-50%), 9-10 RPG, 7-8 APG.
Bird would be the Best Player in the League as Jordan said: The Most Complete and Smartest Player He Ever Saw :eek: :violin: :confusedshrug: [/B][/QUOTE]
So how come there are more free throws being taken in the 80's the now Sir Charles. I thought todays game is soft and full of thugs.
[QUOTE=plowking]So how come there are more free throws being taken in the 80's the now Sir Charles. I thought todays game is soft and full of thugs.[/QUOTE]
[B]The Game was faster paced in general do to superior Ball Handling and Passing Game on Forwards althoug in the East Coast it was a bit different more close to the late 90s Games and actual Game:There was a tendacy (especially in the West) to choose Faster and Quicker SFs and PFs.
For example the 6`11-7`1 Centers that adapted to the Powerforward spot like of those in the last 10 years where less common (the McHales, Kevin Willis, Roy Tarpley`s) and where called CFs not Powerforwards. Before we had the Barkley, Worthy, Malone, Larry Nance, Ralph Sampson type of Powerforwarrds that Where [U]Faster and More Potent[/U], that could [U]DRIVE TO THE BASKET at any MOMENT like a Train[/U] and [U]Play at a Fast Paced Alll Day Long[/U].
Today`s PFs are Slower more McHale like if you want to say [U]but CAN`T PLAY WORTH SHI*T IN THE POST COMPARED to :rolleyes: [/U] that of McHale.
What we have today is Hard Working Bad Centers at Average and next to them FC`s that back in the 80s Game would be Centers...This has made the league slower.
Players back then where also Faster, Better Ball Handlers, Sleeky, Had Superior Foot Work and Superior Ball Movemtn Notion for Fast Breaks etc.[/B]
[B]Here is your Soft 80s League:
[U]Normal 80s Fouls[/U][/B]
[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kYtjs0FqxoM&NR=1[/url]
[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]The Game was faster paced in general do to superior Ball Handling and Passing Game on Forwards althoug in the East Coast it was a bit different more close to the late 90s Games and actual Game:There was a tendacy (especially in the West) to choose Faster and Quicker SFs and PFs.
For example the 6`11-7`1 Centers that adapted to the Powerforward spot like of those in the last 10 years where less common (the McHales, Kevin Willis, Roy Tarpley`s) and where called CFs not Powerforwards. Before we had the Barkley, Worthy, Malone, Larry Nance, Ralph Sampson type of Powerforwarrds that Where [U]Faster and More Potent[/U], that could [U]DRIVE TO THE BASKET at any MOMENT like a Train[/U] and [U]Play at a Fast Paced Alll Day Long[/U].
Today`s PFs are Slower more McHale like if you want to say [U]but CAN`T PLAY WORTH SHI*T IN THE POST COMPARED to :rolleyes: [/U] that of McHale.
What we have today is Hard Working Bad Centers at Average and next to them FC`s that back in the 80s Game would be Centers...This has made the league slower.
Players back then where also Faster, Better Ball Handlers, Sleeky, Had Superior Foot Work and Superior Ball Movemtn Notion for Fast Breaks etc.[/B]
[B]Here is your Soft 80s League:
[U]Normal 80s Fouls[/U][/B]
[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kYtjs0FqxoM&NR=1[/url][/QUOTE]
You are right, this era sucks at everything. The previous era is better at everything and this era isn't close.
:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=plowking]You are right, this era sucks at everything. The previous era is better at everything and this era isn't close.
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
[B]Don`t get mad at me :rolleyes: :confusedshrug: this era has gotten bulkier, stronger physically [U]not because the players are "naturally stronger"[/U] themselves but do to vitamins and superior weight lifting programs there is (as you can see how many 80s players that played till 1998 in those late 90s and 200s where more fitting looking or muscule toned players , for example Karl Malone ) but in things like: Fundamentals, B-Ball IQ, Passing Game, Offensive Notion on Fast Breaks, Ball Movement, Shot Selection etc it has gotten Scaredly Worst.
This decline began not in the 2000s (your era) my friend but the Mid 90s just as ....the watering down of the league and actuall rule changes that easened perimter player`s job to penetrate and ofcourse softness of the game began around 92-93, the Early 90s.
The game`s level has gained physically at average (weight not height) but has declined in Fundamentals-Skills etc, Overal Competition of Hight Quality (Just American`s tha had High Fundamentals Playing The Sport AND VERY FEW MAKING IT TO THE NBA) and gotten Soft an Easier in the past 15 years.
Its not your fault or mine its visible everywhere and it is Stern that has fuc*****ked up the NBA no the Fans in the Us Or Worldwide[/B]:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE]So how come there are more free throws being taken in the 80's the now Sir Charles. I thought todays game is soft and full of thugs.[/QUOTE]
I think a lot of the increase in FT is related to the on ball touch fouls that became so prominent in the last four or five years. Teams are getting buried in bonus situations because refs are making tick tack calls on the ball, and probably even more so in terms of percentage versus years ago off the ball. Especially early in the game when they're trying to set a standard for the game. And every year it's at it's worst at the start of the season, then tapers off.
Anyway, there's some interesting stuff in this thread if you can sift through all the crap. And while I disagree to an extent with Miles and Plowking, you've both made some good cases.
That's a great post from RonySeikley too.
It took a very long time till someone posted at last videos of Bird's dominance in individual playoff games.
A question: Do you plan to expand this project for more series?
[QUOTE=Psileas]It took a very long time till someone posted at last videos of Bird's dominance in individual playoff games.
A question: Do you plan to expand this project for more series?[/QUOTE]
:applause: :rockon: :cheers:
[B]Celtics vs Lakers 1986-87 Season:
Bird: 37 Points (13-35), 10 Assits and 5 Rebounds
Jordan: 48 Points (17-33), 5 Rebounds, 2 Steals[/B]
[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=LyABFY_LcEI[/url]
:applause:
[B]Bird`s Post Game and Passing Game is Unrepeatable from the SF Spot[/B]
can u please post 100 more different games in this thread please
[URL="http://www.michaeljordan.pl/wywiad_michael_jordan_5ang.php"]http://www.michaeljordan.pl/wywiad_michael_jordan_5ang.php[/URL]
[B]MRS: Michael, I'm now giving you the opportunity to create the Dream Team of Michael Jordan, of all players of basketball. You're on the team, and you can name four other guys at different positions. That doesn't mean there aren't 20 other great guys for those positions, but you can explain your picks.
Power forward: There's James Worthy, whom I love, and he is a North Carolina guy. Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, whom I adore and is a good friend, and Charles Oakley. [COLOR=DarkGreen][U]But in terms again of versatility, it has to be Larry Bird. The things he could provide to you all around: his demeanor, his work ethic and his versatility once again[/U]. [/COLOR][B][COLOR=DarkGreen]
[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=DarkGreen] The idea here is I would build a versatile, multitalented team able to do so many different things. [I]When the defense comes at you, they have to guard a lot of different areas[/I], and that makes Larry Bird the choice for me[/COLOR].[/B]
MJ also picked Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison as his stars for the future. Give it up athletic talents such as Charles Barkley and Karl Malone could have dominated in today's game, but Larry Bird just isn't athletic enough. His fundamentals however would make him a very good player in today's game, just not elite.
[QUOTE=Psileas]It took a very long time till someone posted at last videos of Bird's dominance in individual playoff games.
A question: Do you plan to expand this project for more series?[/QUOTE]
Definitely. I would like to do one on Magic Johnson in the 87 Finals sometime soon. I am thinking about Isiah Thomas in 1990 Finals against Portland, but I have to re-watch the series to make sure. I remember he had a pretty good series.
I want to do a spotlight on Hakeem Olajuwon but I hadn't decided on which series yet. Maybe the 95 WCF against San Antonio. Or maybe the 94 Finals against New York. A series that captures the essence of his game.
Maybe Shaq in 2000 Finals? Or 2001? The only problem is he didn't really play anybody in those series... but he was so dominant I may do it anyway. Now that I think about it...he deserves it.
Tim Duncan deserves one too.
I'm really flying by the seat of my pants, though.
[quote=Godfather]MJ also picked Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison as his stars for the future. Give it up athletic talents such as Charles Barkley and Karl Malone could have dominated in today's game, but Larry Bird just isn't athletic enough. His fundamentals however would make him a very good player in today's game, just not elite.[/quote]
[B]1979-1986 is as Athletic as most 6`9 1/2 players today except he can Shoot Better than Any Player Today, Pass Better than Any SF Today, Rebound Better than any SF Today, See Better than Any Player Ever, Think Better than Any Player Ever, Hustle Better than Every Player Today, Be Clutch Better etc etc
Think of:
Gasol with the Offensive Talents of Dirk and the Passing Ability of Lebron and the Clutch Game of Miller and Jordan. Along with that bring the The Highest B-Ball IQ and Court Awareness Ever in NBA History and With 110% FUNDAMENTALS and you got Bird.
[U]Today`s Slower Paced Game with Lack of Fundamentals [/U](contraty to the Superior More Agil, Potent, Ball Handling and Fast Paced Team Oriented Game of the 80s: especially W.Coast) [SIZE=3]would be Larry`s Playground [/SIZE]:pimp: :rolleyes: :pimp:
Bird was seen as an unethletic Hick All his Life and that was exactly what he wanted people to think. He thrived on that actually
[U]Two Unathletic [/U]and [U]Slow Players [/U]that[I][U] Guarded [/U][/I]Bird:
[COLOR=Orange]6`9 Unathletic James Worthy: "Bird is the Hardest Forward I Ever Had to Guard"[/COLOR]
[COLOR=DarkRed]6`6 Unathletic Dr. J: "If you Believed that Hick from French Lick Apperance, You Where Going to Get Beaten[/COLOR]"
:sleeping :roll:[/B]
These are the series I was thinking about, as well, as well as Kareem's 1985. Jordan's best ones, of course, though there may have been a couple of people who have done so, already (Joleroke (sp?), maybe).
Oh, and take your time, obviously. Few manage to watch all your videos at that rate, anyway.
Unathletic...Dr. J.....?
**** you are an idiot
[QUOTE=Psileas]Oh, and take your time, obviously. Few manage to watch all your videos at that rate, anyway.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I try to slow things down from time to time but then another idea or a series will come to mind and I end up posting it anyway. Drives my wife nuts. She said I should get paid for it. :oldlol:
[quote=Maniak]Unathletic...Dr. J.....?
**** you are an idiot[/quote]
He's being sarastic
Bird has the softest touch on his jumper I've ever seen.
[quote]Unbelievable. Look at the fake and pass at 3:46. [/quote]
seconded :eek:
[QUOTE=insidehoops]He's being sarastic[/QUOTE]
This guy makes me lose it...
(Bird Sucked & Couldnt Have Played Today)
then he goes to say how these days it would all be Larrys playground...
Im sorry, but Im just totally lost here, thus the reason I try to draw away from paying attention to this guy, all I get is Charles is the GOAT then 10 emotes with all words in bold letters then a random youtube video
[QUOTE=insidehoops]He's being sarastic[/QUOTE]
[B]Exactly...:hammerhead:
[U]List of [U]Unathletic[/U] and [U]Slow[/U] players that guarded Larry Bird in the Perimeter[/U]
Doctor J, 6`9 James Worthy, Scottie Pippen, Drexler, Michael Cooper, Dominique Wilkins, Ron Harper, Adrian Dantley,...o Yes also..
[U]List of Weak and Short Players that Guarded Larry Bird in the Post[/U]
6`11 John Salley, 6`9/257 lbs Karl Malone, Charles Barkley 6`5/6`4 260-80 lbs, Dennis Rodman (Could Guard 1-4 Positions), 6`10/245 lbs Horace Grant, 6`8/240 lbs Buck Williams, 6`7/234 lbs Xavier McDaniel etc..
Oh i forgot...:hammerhead:
[U]List of Weak and Short players Larry Bird Guarded in the Post[/U]
6`9/265 lbs Antoine Carr, 7`0/245 lbs Kevin Willis, 6`9 James Worthy, 6`8 /250 lbs Terry Cummings etc..
:roll: [/B]
[QUOTE=stephanieg]You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Anatomically modern day humans have been on this planet for approximately 200,000 years. About 50,000 years ago they became behaviorally modern (see "the great leap forward"). Ever since then humans have been constantly changing their environment to suit their needs. The human body has also changed in response to agriculture, modern day food processing, pollution, and other aspects of modern day living which didn't exist on the African savanna.
Basketball was invented a little over a century ago. Ever since then the human genome has been constantly at work producing generation after generation of new NBA stars. It's how evolution works. Fans want good players. Mother nature responds by making basketball players of increasing quality or "fitness."
You think Bird is a good player because he looks great competing against equally bad players by today's standards. It'd be like if you played against fifth graders. Sure, you look good, but only by comparison. If Bird played today he would be extremely limited given his stiffness, immobility, non-European whiteness, and slow decision making skills compared to modern day blurs like Troy Murphy or Tim Duncan.
You have to understand that if Hedo Turkoglu was sent back in a time machine he would dominate the NBA that Bird and his contemporaries played in. But nowadays he's just an OK player. Things move so fast.
But we shouldn't look back on past weaker eras arrogantly. Bird retired only a generation ago. In another generation players will be dunking from the three point line and looking back at our era with equal derision.[/QUOTE]
This is so silly of a comparison to think that a player in todays game that is average at best is better than Bird makes no sense. If you wanna say a Lebron or Kobe is better than Bird thats one thing but Hedo ???????????
It must be understood that if Bob Cousy was to play in todays era it wouldn't be a 1950's Cousy it would be a cousy that grew up playing todays game it will be a Cousy that doesnt shoot set shots but shoots jumpers it would be a Cousy that doesnt wear Chuck Taylors he would have on Nikes
Duncan isn't the most athletic guy ever to walk on the court...hence the name, "The Big Fundamental". :confusedshrug:
Why can't Larry Bird be elite(in Today's game)? Plus, if he was playing Today, then he would also have access to all the training/fitness equipment that Today's players have.
[QUOTE=highwhey]Duncan isn't the most athletic guy ever to walk on the court...hence the name, "The Big Fundamental". :confusedshrug:
Why can't Larry Bird be elite(in Today's game)? Plus, if he was playing Today, then he would also have access to all the training/fitness equipment that Today's players have.[/QUOTE]
[B]Is Gastol much athletic? Is Duncan much athletic? Is Kevin McHale much athletic?
And? They School Most Players Today and Back Then...
Athleticism es important but not the most important by the way Bird was 6`9 1/2 and between 81 and 86 (ages 25-30) he wasn`t that slow or unathletic. Ofcourse he was not gifted athletically but he was OVER GIFTED IN ALL OTHER AREAS. Not to mention Bird was thick boned way stronger than most people think just look at the people he guarded in the Post. Today a Bird would be around 240-245 lbs and would even be more musculed toned than before with the vitamins. Natural strength does not increase only overal strength from that and Bird has quite enough natural strength to Guard those dudes and be Guarded by all those dudes mentioned: Both in the Perimter and in the Post.
:confusedshrug: :banghead: [/B]
this I found interesting for those who say that MJ didn't even like basketball:
[QUOTE]MRS: Do you miss the excitement of basketball?
JORDAN: Yes. I have to stay away from it because of it. I wouldn't say it's an addiction, but it's a passion. When you have a passion, you want to do it as much as possible. Addiction means you can't help yourself. I have a strong passion for the game of basketball.[/QUOTE]
One thing about how people say Bird was unathletic that I don't understand, is how was he much different then Magic? They had similar physiques, Magic was probably a bit faster, and both didn't have great vertical leaps. Yet Magic is considered to be a beast in just about any era, while Bird is unathletic and couldn't handle today's game. I'm really starting to think people just look at Bird's skin and short shorts and automatically assume he's unathletic. I'm one to think that past players aren't as athletic as today's players (disregarding that if they grew up in the same era it would be different), and whites generally aren't as athletic as blacks, but I don't think Larry Bird is someone that is really affected by that.
[QUOTE=Godfather]MJ also picked Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison as his stars for the future. Give it up athletic talents such as Charles Barkley and Karl Malone could have dominated in today's game, [B]but Larry Bird just isn't athletic enough. His fundamentals however would make him a very good player in today's game, just not elite.[/B][/QUOTE]
Translation: Larry Bird is white and non-European, so he couldn't be elite today.
That's pretty much the core of any argument against Bird. So let's attack that racist myth. Bird had arguably the quickest and strongest hands in NBA history, lightning fast footwork and reflexes, now is that not athleticism? Since when did vertical leap become the end-all-be-all of athleticism?
It surely is interesting to see an arguement, wher sir charles supports a case which says Barkley is not the best PF ever :)
[QUOTE=Godfather]MJ also picked Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison as his stars for the future. [/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
[quote=RonySeikalyFTW]Translation: Larry Bird is white and non-European, so he couldn't be elite today.
That's pretty much the core of any argument against Bird. So let's attack that racist myth. Bird had arguably the quickest and strongest hands in NBA history, lightning fast footwork and reflexes, now is that not athleticism? Since when did vertical leap become the end-all-be-all of athleticism?[/quote]
For that matter I don't believe Magic could do what he did in his era. Magic would be unable to play all 5 positions like he did previously and would be unable to consistently run the point. Instead he would play a role similar to LeBron in the Cleveland passing scheme (be the secondary passer who can rack up assists) also he rebound and point total would also decline in today's game (due to being unable to have such authority around the rim). A player who could succeed in all facets (like I previously stated) was a Charles Barkley or a Karl Malone, who possess the all around athleticism to compare to and dominate today's players.
[QUOTE=Godfather]For that matter I don't believe Magic could do what he did in his era. Magic would be unable to play all 5 positions like he did previously and would be unable to consistently run the point. Instead he would play a role similar to LeBron in the Cleveland passing scheme (be the secondary passer who can rack up assists) also he rebound and point total would also decline in today's game (due to being unable to have such authority around the rim). A player who could succeed in all facets (like I previously stated) was a Charles Barkley or a Karl Malone, who possess the all around athleticism to compare to and dominate today's players.[/QUOTE]
[B]:roll: i can`t stand this sh-it anymore...people overrated athleticism too much.[/B] :rolleyes:
[B]If athleticism was everything then Garnett would be a Better PF than Duncan he is way more athletic than Duncan, way More.[/B]
[quote=Sir Charles][B]:roll: i can`t stand this sh-it anymore...people overrated athleticism too much.[/B] :rolleyes:
[B]If athleticism was everything then Garnett would be a Better PF than Duncan he is way more athletic than Duncan, way More.[/B][/quote]
Garnett is a stick...You cannot tell me Garnett is stronger than Tim Duncan. Duncan is not only physically stronger, but he is also has had superior coaching throughout his career. Don't start an argument about Duncan being that much superior to Garnett because he isn't.
Besides Garnett is 6'11'' and Timmy D is 7'0'' are big men not 6'9'' SF's.
[QUOTE=Godfather]For that matter I don't believe Magic could do what he did in his era. Magic would be unable to play all 5 positions like he did previously and would be unable to consistently run the point. Instead he would play a role similar to LeBron in the Cleveland passing scheme (be the secondary passer who can rack up assists) also he rebound and point total would also decline in today's game (due to being unable to have such authority around the rim). A player who could succeed in all facets (like I previously stated) was a Charles Barkley or a Karl Malone, who possess the all around athleticism to compare to and dominate today's players.[/QUOTE]
So the same Magic Johnson that was 'athletic' enough to matchup with KJ (who would absolutely school any current NBA point guard in, say, the NFL combines for example, or any other measurement for that matter) and Top-50 NBAers Isiah Thomas and John Stockton couldn't hang with Steve Nash or Deron Williams or Chris Paul? LMAO. Could you imagine the fear in little Chris Paul's eyes as Magic brings the ball down the court, knowing he's going to get posted up and owned by the greatest QB in NBA history?
[QUOTE=RonySeikalyFTW]Translation: Larry Bird is white and non-European, so he couldn't be elite today.
That's pretty much the core of any argument against Bird. So let's attack that racist myth. Bird had arguably the quickest and strongest hands in NBA history, lightning fast footwork and reflexes, now is that not athleticism? Since when did vertical leap become the end-all-be-all of athleticism?[/QUOTE]
[B]Everyone said man this Country Boy Can`t Jump, Is Not Very Fast, Is Not the Strongest of 6`9/6`10ers...but then again...what happened?
And this is a time where the NBA had more RUnning Teams, Superior Ball Handlers, Passers, Superior IQ and Fundamentals...A time When Real Fouls Existed, Handchecking Was The Norm and Constant.
What happened?
Bird schooled and destroyed the NBA :confusedshrug:
[U]Today`s game is Slow Half Court-like WHich is exactly [/U] [SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkGreen"]BIRD`S NEST[/COLOR][/SIZE]...That is his Game!, His Mind Gime!...Today`s Players Would be Fallen into His Style of Play except these players have:
ZERO B-BALL IQ, ZERO FUNDAMENTALS, ZERO INTELLIGENCE, ZERO COURT AWARENESS, ZERO BOXING OUT SKILLS, ZERO HEART, ZERO SKILL, ZERO PASSING, ZERO SHOOTING, ZERO CLUTCH when compared to Bird.
Bird would not only benefit more from the Slow Half Court game but the Zone Defense. Bird was a Free Defender that was always in the right place and right time.
To End this:
Bird was Black-Man`s Worst Nightmare to be Humilated By...Exactly What Most Overlooked: :oldlol: :cheers:
[COLOR="darkgreen"][COLOR="darkgreen"]A Slow White Guy that Can`t Jump as the Stereotype[/COLOR][/COLOR]
but he Schooled the NBA :violin:
[COLOR="Orange"]Same with Magic, A Tall INTELLIGENT Black Player that Can`t Dunk Very Nice and Thinks Team 1st[/COLOR]
Stereotype of the Black Man that Jumps High, Does Flashy Dunks and Thinks of Himself Before Winning[/B]
[COLOR="Blue"][B]That is Magic and Bird will always be linked
That is Magic Schooled the NBA at age 36 play PF-Point Guard and humilated actual stars of today`s game in teh 2000s.[/B][/COLOR]
:sleeping
[quote=RonySeikalyFTW]So the same Magic Johnson that was 'athletic' enough to matchup with KJ (who would absolutely school any current NBA point guard in, say, the NFL combines for example, or any other measurement for that matter) and Top-50 NBAers Isiah Thomas and John Stockton couldn't hang with Steve Nash or Deron Williams or Chris Paul? LMAO. Could you imagine the fear in little Chris Paul's eyes as Magic brings the ball down the court, knowing he's going to get posted up and owned by the greatest QB in NBA history?[/quote]
Lol you idiot the hornets wouldn't have Chris Paul guarding Magic Johnson (what is that a 9'' height difference)... I just think in today's game Magic would be an excellent player on an NBA wing directing an NBA offense like LeBron James does (or better), but would not be as efficient of a rebounder and scorer. And I never said anything abour John Stockton and Isiah.
did he pick bird for the PF spot? then i'd have a problem
[QUOTE=Godfather]Garnett is a stick...You cannot tell me Garnett is stronger than Tim Duncan. Duncan is not only physically stronger, but he is also has had superior coaching throughout his career. Don't start an argument about Duncan being that much superior to Garnett because he isn't.
Besides Garnett is 6'11'' and Timmy D is 7'0'' are big men not 6'9'' SF's.[/QUOTE]
[B]Actually Garnett is like 7`0 ft but not as stocky and Tim is like 6`11 1/2 ft and stockier :rolleyes: :hammerhead: but yes Tim is Stronger and Heavier but then again also way slower Garnett can Leap, is Pure Fiber (like a Denni Rodman), Faster, Quicker, More Agil but Duncan can Score Well...Garnett can`t! :violin: [/B]