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[QUOTE=StephenDedalus]Man I really hope someone does this to you in your next pick up game and then you can come back and tell us if it's a nice, clean, hard foul.[/QUOTE]
I've already said over and over again that Bynum was stupid for fouling Gerald. I wonder how many of you would so vehemently encourage the league to suspend Bynum if he didn't play for the Lakers. Like I said, the NBA will not do it...they know better.
[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]Welcome to the forum.....if you intelligent conversations go to the lakers forum....
here all these mo fo'ers will keep arguing no matter what you say.....[/QUOTE]
Some of the Laker fans are just as bad, but i'll give it a try. Lol.
[QUOTE=Allstar24]I've already said over and over again that Bynum was stupid for fouling Gerald. I wonder how many of you would so vehemently encourage the league to suspend Bynum if he didn't play for the Lakers. Like I said, the NBA will not do it...they know better.[/QUOTE]
You are right they know better than to suspend a Lakers player.
[QUOTE=Godfather]You are right they know better than to suspend a Lakers player.[/QUOTE]
They know better as in they know Bynum doesn't deserve to be suspended...a flagrant foul was called by the officials, that was the right call, y'all need to get over it.
[QUOTE=Allstar24]They know better as in they know Bynum doesn't deserve to be suspended...a flagrant foul was called by the officials, that was the right call, y'all need to get over it.[/QUOTE]
It probably will be changed to a flagrant 2.
[QUOTE=A.M.G.]It probably will be changed to a flagrant 2.[/QUOTE]
I doubt it. We play Minnesota on Friday so I'm not too concerned anyway.
[QUOTE=Allstar24]I doubt it. We play Minnesota on Friday so I'm not too concerned anyway.[/QUOTE]
that's the best team of 2009 :)
Bynum's play on Oden wasn't dirty, but it was DEFINITELY excessive force/physicality in the opening few minutes of a regular season game. Several people noted this in the game thread.
[QUOTE=Allstar24]I doubt it. We play Minnesota on Friday so I'm not too concerned anyway.[/QUOTE]hey man the wolves are playing great basketball! 8-2 in their last 10 i they've won like 3 in a row i think.
but to get back on topic: we need wallace :(
[QUOTE=Allstar24]Sorry to disappoint everyone but the league is not going to suspend Bynum for that flagrant foul, they can't be that soft :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Hey he only suffered a f*cking collapsed lung after the elbow went THROUGH his rib cage, I'd say that's "soft" :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=XxNeXuSxX]Hey he only suffered a f*cking collapsed lung after the elbow went THROUGH his rib cage, I'd say that's "soft" :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
A veteran like yourself should know its a waste of time trying to talk sense into Laker fanatics.
it certainly was a flagrant but I don't think it was something that was dirty or intended to injure the guy. None of the players got in a confrontation about it and Bynum looked over to help Wallace up for a second but realized he was hurting bad. I feel bad for that dude though, he plays hard and you could tell he was in a lot of pain. I hope he will be ok because the bobcats are starting to come around since the trade.
Here's the deal. If Crash just spun around and kinda fell over, all that would of been called is a shooting foul. There would of been no review or even talk about this foul. It was just a foul, where a player got hurt. It's called a freak accident. It happens.
If you show anyone a replay of that foul, and didn't show Crash moaning on the floor, people would just say it was a foul. Don't look at the outcome, look at the intent of the foul. Which was to reach across Bynum's body and get his arms in front of Crash.
If there were no injury there would be no talk on this.
[QUOTE=DTD]
If there were no injury there would be no talk on this.[/QUOTE]
Yup. I was surprised at the time that he was taken out, I've seen players suffer much worse looking hits and pop up just fine. Weird stuff happens though.
[QUOTE=DTD]Here's the deal. If Crash just spun around and kinda fell over, all that would of been called is a shooting foul. There would of been no review or even talk about this foul. It was just a foul, where a player got hurt. It's called a freak accident. It happens.
If you show anyone a replay of that foul, and didn't show Crash moaning on the floor, people would just say it was a foul. Don't look at the outcome, look at the intent of the foul. Which was to reach across Bynum's body and get his arms in front of Crash.
If there were no injury there would be no talk on this.[/QUOTE]
Let's see, like I've already posted, Bynum did [B]NOT[/B] play the ball, and he went in with his elbow, not to mention, it seems as if he stepped on Crash' shoe as well, all these put together should warrant a suspension, but of course, it won't happen.
Hypothetically, if this was, let's say, Udonis Haslem didn't play the ball one bit and led with his elbow against an airborne Kobe or even Ariza, all of you would be calling for Haslem's head, and saying he should be suspended for more then just a game. :rolleyes:
Didn't KG earlier in the year get suspended a game for punching Bogut in the face? Well that didn't hurt Bogut and KG got suspended. I am trying to connect the dots here, but am having trouble. Maybe a Laker fan could help me. Bynum hurt Wallace badly, KG didn't hurt Bogut. KG got suspended, but Bynum won't? I think that bynum gets two games minimum for that viscious elbow. If KG got suspended for one, Bynum deserves at [B]least two[/B].
[QUOTE=Mdog1]Didn't KG earlier in the year get suspended a game for punching Bogut in the face? Well that didn't hurt Bogut and KG got suspended. I am trying to connect the dots here, but am having trouble. Maybe a Laker fan could help me. Bynum hurt Wallace badly, KG didn't hurt Bogut. KG got suspended, but Bynum won't? I think that bynum gets two games minimum for that viscious elbow. If KG got suspended for one, Bynum deserves at [B]least two[/B].[/QUOTE]
I don't recall that incident with KG and Bogut, but if it was a punch to the face, then that is a guaranteed one game suspension. Any punch thrown, whether or not it connects, is a minimum suspension.
Bynum shouldn't get injured because Crash got hurt, he should get suspended because he didn't play the ball and led with his elbow onto Crash, who was airborne and had no way of protecting himself.
Bynum didn't intentionally try to hurt Wallace, it was a hard foul and it warranted a flagrant 1. With that said, I wish Gerald a speedy recovery though and it was unfortunate that he got badly hurt.
Bynum is not a dirty player one bit, he is just trying to toughen up as our starting center in the post. Phil has been bickering at him all season long about toughening up inside.
[QUOTE=qrich]I don't recall that incident with KG and Bogut, but if it was a punch to the face, then that is a guaranteed one game suspension. Any punch thrown, whether or not it connects, is a minimum suspension.
Bynum shouldn't get injured because Crash got hurt, he should get suspended because he didn't play the ball and led with his elbow onto Crash, who was airborne and had no way of protecting himself.[/QUOTE]
The KG incident happened towards the beginning of the year. Any way two games is what he should get if not more. But because he is a Laker he will get one or none.
[QUOTE=Mdog1]The KG incident happened towards the beginning of the year. Any way two games is what he should get if not more. But because he is a Laker he will get one or none.[/QUOTE]
He isn't getting any or shouldn't. Look at the replay and quit being such a Cleveland homer. I know you're praying that a big part of our team misses games so you guys can possibly benefit from us losing a game or two.
But as Wallace was driving to the basket, Bynum put both of his hands up to try and stop Wallace and his right elbow hit Wallace in the rib. He didn't "elbow" him, his elbow clearly contacted his body without any intention to hurt the guy.
Seriously why I am even explaining this?
Go check out a youtube video of the incident, take off your homer glasses and actually evaluate the foul with no bias.
The refs even had to discuss if it was a flagrant foul or not, Bynum was also concerned about Wallace and extended his arm to him, before realizing he was seriously hurt.
[QUOTE=Mdog1]The league needs to consider a suspension on this one. It was obviously not intended to hurt him this bad, but it also wasn't intended to get to the ball so I think a two - five game suspension is in order.[/QUOTE]
what the f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ck. quit being morons. the result was very unfortunate but the act itself wasnt malicious in the slightest.
[QUOTE=Mdog1]Didn't KG earlier in the year get suspended a game for punching Bogut in the face? Well that didn't hurt Bogut and KG got suspended. I am trying to connect the dots here, but am having trouble. Maybe a Laker fan could help me. Bynum hurt Wallace badly, KG didn't hurt Bogut. KG got suspended, but Bynum won't? I think that bynum gets two games minimum for that viscious elbow. If KG got suspended for one, Bynum deserves at [B]least two[/B].[/QUOTE]
wasnt it obvious that kg [U]intentionally threw the punch to the face[/U].
bynums play was not done with malicious intent.
[QUOTE=Mdog1]The KG incident happened towards the beginning of the year. Any way two games is what he should get if not more. But because he is a Laker he will get one or none.[/QUOTE]
Regardless, if it was a shot to the face, then that is a minimum one game suspension. Bynum should get a suspension, but nothing more then two, that is going too far.
[quote=qrich]Let's see, like I've already posted, Bynum did [B]NOT[/B] play the ball, and he went in with his elbow, not to mention, it seems as if he stepped on Crash' shoe as well, all these put together should warrant a suspension, but of course, it won't happen.
Hypothetically, if this was, let's say, Udonis Haslem didn't play the ball one bit and led with his elbow against an airborne Kobe or even Ariza, all of you would be calling for Haslem's head, and saying he should be suspended for more then just a game. :rolleyes:[/quote]Was Bynum's foul worse than Morrison's on Gasol? No.
It doesn't matter if it was malicious. He comitted a flagrant foul, and as a result, a player was injured. He will get at least a game out.
[QUOTE=vert48]Was Bynum's foul worse than Morrison's on Gasol? No.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
A 6'9'' scrawny scrub knocking down a 7 foot 1 flopper...(Gasol got up perfectly fine)
as opposed to a 7 foot 1 285 pound center throwing his elbow into a mans chest when said person was holding the ball above his head. (Gerald is not ok)
Not to mention Adams hit was in the vicinity of the ball, Bynum's wasn't even close (hence the flagrant).
[QUOTE=YAWN]what the f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ck. quit being morons. the result was very unfortunate but the act itself wasnt malicious in the slightest.
wasnt it obvious that kg [U]intentionally threw the punch to the face[/U].
bynums play was not done with malicious intent.[/QUOTE]
And Bynum intentionally elbowed him. Now he may not have intentionally hurt him, but he did end of story. He didn't make a play for the ball, and a lot of force has to be thrown in to fracture a rib.
I really hope he's alright, hate to see anyone get injured, even a Celtic.
Dirty foul by Bynum...but it was out of frustration/immaturity...anyone who thinks that foul was out of malice is a complete idiot.
[QUOTE=XxNeXuSxX]Hey he only suffered a f*cking collapsed lung after the elbow went THROUGH his rib cage, I'd say that's "soft" :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
For the hundredth time, I understand the severity of Gerald's injury. The point is that Bynum's intent was [B]not[/B] to injure him so he doesn't deserve to get suspended, as simple as that. It was a hard foul and he will obviously get fined. People call the Lakers soft yet when we play physical, we're called dirty. I'm glad Andrew isn't letting guys like James/Wallace dunk on him, he fouls hard to let everyone know we're not a "soft" team. Except in this case, it was just a very unfortunate situation. Hopefully Wallace will be fine so we can all move on....
Haters just want Bynum to get suspended because he's beasting. Pathetic.
[QUOTE=Allstar24]For the hundredth time, I understand the severity of Gerald's injury. [SIZE="3"][B]The point is that Bynum's intent was [B]not[/B] to injure him[/B][/SIZE], so he doesn't deserve to get suspended, as simple as that. It was a hard foul and he will obviously get fined. People call the Lakers soft yet when we play physical, we're dirty. I'm glad Andrew isn't letting guys like James/Wallace dunk on him, he fouls hard to let everyone know we're not a "soft" team. Except in this case, it was just a very unfortunate situation. Hopefully Wallace will be fine so we can all move on....[/QUOTE]
You have to understand that doesn't matter. The fact that he laid the hit he did will get him suspended. When defensive backs in the NFL look the light a Wide Receiver up they do so in order to get the receiver out of his game striking fear in the entire offensive attack. They never however look to intentionally hurt a player, and in cases where players are hurt everyone is remorseful. Does the NFL let them go because they're sorry? No they get slapped with a massive fine and is some cases are suspended.
This concept is a much much smaller version of involuntary manslaughter. You don't get the time as a malicious killing, but you still get time.
And @ Kobe24 maybe people are mad because he just put a well respected player in a hospital bed?
[quote=Godfather]:roll: :roll: :roll:
A 6'9'' scrawny scrub knocking down a 7 foot 1 flopper...(Gasol got up perfectly fine)
as opposed to a 7 foot 1 285 pound center throwing his elbow into a mans chest when said person was holding the ball above his head. (Gerald is not ok)
Not to mention Adams hit was in the vicinity of the ball, Bynum's wasn't even close (hence the flagrant).[/quote]Morrison was no where near the ball. He hit Gasol in the head, with no intention to go after the ball. His intent was clearly no better than Bynum's. Gasol not getting hurt makes no difference with regard to Morrison's intent, which seems to be at least as bad or worse than Bynum's.
The more noteworthy aspect of this development is that a Laker was trying to protect the paint. Hopefully Phil benches him.
[QUOTE=Kobe24]Haters just want Bynum to get suspended because he's beasting. Pathetic.[/QUOTE]
This is why Fakerfans are hated.
[QUOTE=vert48]Morrison was no where near the ball. He hit Gasol in the head, with no intention to go after the ball. His intent was clearly no better than Bynum's. Gasol not getting hurt makes no difference with regard to Morrison's intent, which seems to be at least as bad or worse than Bynum's.[/QUOTE]
Bring up a video of it to prove it...From what I remember Gasol had the ball raised and Morrison missed and Gasol like he always does made a big deal about it flopping to the ground.
Bynum on the other threw his elbow (do you block or strip the basketball with your elbow?), into Gerald's chest when the ball was well elevated over Wallace's head.
Wow, you can tell what posters have been fans of the game since 2000. Suspension? GTFO here with that bs, it wasnt even that bad, Wallace is just brittle. Back in the old days Bynum would have got a pat on the back and a "good job".
[QUOTE=Lakers13]Wow, you can tell what posters have been fans of the game since 2000. Suspension? GTFO here with that bs, it wasnt even that bad, Wallace is just brittle. Back in the old days Bynum would have got a pat on the back and a "good job".[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter, a precedent by the league has already been set with similar plays. Others have gotten suspended, and Bynum is no exception regardless of being a Laker. You and I may like the more physical era of ball, but that doesn't change what Stern has made the league today. It is what it is, and Bynum deserves at least a game in today's NBA.
[QUOTE=stephanieg]The more noteworthy aspect of this development is that a Laker was trying to protect the paint. Hopefully Phil benches him.[/QUOTE]
Phil benches him for a dirty foul? :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Showtime]It doesn't matter, a precedent by the league has already been set with similar plays. Others have gotten suspended, and Bynum is no exception regardless of being a Laker. You and I may like the more physical era of ball, but that doesn't change what Stern has made the league today. It is what it is, and Bynum deserves at least a game in today's NBA.[/QUOTE]
But was it malicious?
[QUOTE=D-Rose]Phil benches him for a dirty foul? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Shes being sarcastic...I hope :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Lakers13]Shes being sarcastic...I hope :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Yah I thought so, but you can never tell for sure.