Kobe Bryant scores 61 points against Knicks in Madison Square Garden

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Forgot that the Mavericks weren't just a Playoff team, but competed for the NBA Finals. But that is without a doubt his best scoring game as a pro/ Everything else is dead on accurate. The only other context you could bring into the conversation to make the playing field some what more leveled is by asking how many of those 60 point games came in overtime? Kobe's only had one that came with an extra period, that being the Portland game. MJ, his Celtics performance, Magic performance, Cleveland performance all came with extra periods. So while yes, MJ is more impressive in that he did it in meaningful games, against stiff and/or great competition he also did it with extra time on the clock. Kobe, most of his performances coming against weak competition, still put up huge numbers in regulation, sometimes even sitting out huge chunks of time in said games. Kobe deserves some praise for that, does he not?[/QUOTE]

Good point. He deserves some praise for that. In determining which player had the best 60-point performances, it depends on your perspective. I think it would be harder for Kobe to accomplish what MJ did than for MJ to do what Kobe did.

There have been many times MJ could have done more but didn't have the desire to push it all the way. A good example is Game 1 of the NBA Finals against Portland in 1992. If MJ had Kobe's mentality and his eye on the record books, he would have crushed his own record of 63 and probably gone for 70 even as Portland waved the white flag. Clearly MJ put on the brakes after halftime -- scoring only 6 (I think) in the second half. And that's against a Finals opponent. Don't think he could have done that against the old Sacramento Kings (Kenny Smith edition) or the LA Clippers (pretty much ANY year until he retired)?

It takes a different kind of person to get so worked up over scoring against such weak competition as a 22 win team or a 35 win team. It's not that it's not impressive, it's that most of his great scoring outbursts are limited to these. That, and the fact that far too often he doesn't bring that same efficiency against the better teams.

If Kobe scores 60 vs the Celtics or Cavs this week, you won't hear a peep out of me.

My whole thing is that I don't understand when Kobe does something significant MJ is always dragged in then stupid debates start to no end.

Kobe hit 61 -- most ever in MSG. That's a pretty good accomplishment no matter how bad the defense was. Especially for a guy who's been playing 13 years.

i don't think this thread was started to deify Kobe, just to give him props for this one game.

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Good point. He deserves some praise for that. In determining which player had the best 60-point performances, it depends on your perspective. I think it would be harder for Kobe to accomplish what MJ did than for MJ to do what Kobe did.

There have been many times MJ could have done more but didn't have the desire to push it all the way. A good example is Game 1 of the NBA Finals against Portland in 1992. If MJ had Kobe's mentality and his eye on the record books, he would have crushed his own record of 63 and probably gone for 70 even as Portland waved the white flag. Clearly MJ put on the brakes after halftime -- scoring only 3 (I think) in the second half. And that's against a Finals opponent. Don't think he could have done that against the old Sacramento Kings (Kenny Smith edition) or the LA Clippers (pretty much ANY year until he retired)?

It takes a different kind of person to get so worked up over scoring against such weak competition as a 22 win team or a 35 win team. It's not that it's not impressive, it's that most of his great scoring outbursts are limited to these. That, and the fact that far too often he doesn't bring that same efficiency against the better teams.

If Kobe scores 60 vs the Celtics or Cavs this week, you won't hear a peep out of me.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree. And as I stated in another thread, Kobe's my second favorite hooper od all time and I completely agree. I'd love to see him do this against ELITE competition. Or under the real bright lights and pressure on the biggest stage in the Playoffs.

[QUOTE=chopchop20]My whole thing is that I don't understand when Kobe does something significant MJ is always dragged in then stupid debates start to no end.

Kobe hit 61 -- most ever in MSG. That's a pretty good accomplishment no matter how bad the defense was. Especially for a guy who's been playing 13 years.

i don't think this thread was started to deify Kobe, just to give him props for this one game.[/QUOTE]
13 seasons have to do with it? He's only 30 years old in the grand scheme of things. He's still a young kat.

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]13 seasons have to do with it? He's only 30 years old in the grand scheme of things. He's still a young kat.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but that takes a toll on your knees and body -- look at Vince and T-Mac, even Dwade has slowed some.

I was at the Garden and it was incredible! I was far from the court but the crowd was very loud, it felt like a home game for the lakers at the end of the fourth during that standing ovation. Nonetheless, I enjoyed his pull up jumpers, it just shows what a great player kobe is to put up a show like that at any given time. :applause:

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]13 seasons have to do with it? He's only 30 years old in the grand scheme of things. He's still a young kat.[/QUOTE]

oldest 30-yr-old in the history of the NBA.

I am so sick of my country.
So I finally read an article about the NBA and Kobe's performance last night, and they dare to call his nickname as "King Kobe".
That's it, I'm movin to the US as soon as I get a chance to.

[QUOTE=bisk]I am so sick of my country.
So I finally read an article about the NBA and Kobe's performance last night, and they dare to call his nickname as "King Kobe".
That's it, I'm movin to the US as soon as I get a chance to.[/QUOTE]

but you guys have GREAT beer there!!?

[QUOTE=bisk]I am so sick of my country.
So I finally read an article about the NBA and Kobe's performance last night, and they dare to call his nickname as "King Kobe".
That's it, I'm movin to the US as soon as I get a chance to.[/QUOTE]
:cheers:

[QUOTE=bleedinpurpleTwo]but you guys have GREAT beer there!!?[/QUOTE]

fk it, I'll get used to Bud or so..

[QUOTE=bisk]fk it, I'll get used to Bud or so..[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=chopchop20]Yeah but that takes a toll on your knees and body -- look at Vince and T-Mac, [B]even Dwade has slowed some[/B].[/QUOTE]


you think so??

i think since the Olympics and up until this point, he looks better and faster than ever...

[QUOTE=gabeh1018]you think so??

i think since the Olympics and up until this point, he looks better and faster than ever...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, D-Wade is on the rise if anything. If the NBA had a comeback of the season award, it would go to him.

[QUOTE=bisk]fk it, I'll get used to Bud or so..[/QUOTE]
There's still great beer here, just have to search a little harder.

Kobe Bryant = Best Scorer in the New Millennium.


:applause: :applause: :applause:

[QUOTE=243354]yes, it is. kobe team blew out the knicks and he had 61 pts to jordans 55 with fewer shots and less court time. its not about the comp-its about the impact and dominance imported upon the game and kobe dominated and impacted moreso in his 61 pt game then jordan did in his.:applause:[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: This dude makes me laugh.

I actually enjoy reading your posts, dude. I disagree with just about all of them, but I like the way you present your case.

[QUOTE=243354]yes, it is. kobe team blew out the knicks and he had 61 pts to jordans 55 with fewer shots and less court time. [B]its not about the comp-its about the impact and dominance imported upon the game [/B]and kobe dominated and impacted moreso in his 61 pt game then jordan did in his.:applause:[/QUOTE]:oldlol:

OK, I just spent 10 minutes deleting most of the completely idiotic comments that were on the first six pages.

NOTE TO EVERYONE:

Contribute INTELLIGENT THOUGHTS about this, or don't post.

Don't taunt people, type stupid sarcastic crap about Kobe fans, etc.

Just discuss this amazing performance and share INTELLIGENT thoughts on it, even if you are just echoing how great it was.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=insidehoops]OK, I just spent 10 minutes deleting most of the completely idiotic comments that were on the first six pages.

NOTE TO EVERYONE:

Contribute INTELLIGENT THOUGHTS about this, or don't post.

Don't taunt people, type stupid sarcastic crap about Kobe fans, etc.

Just discuss this amazing performance and share INTELLIGENT thoughts on it, even if you are just echoing how great it was.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]


thread cleanups ftw.

I think putting up 40 against cavs or celtics next week will be more impressive. Lets do this!

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[QUOTE=04mzwach]Most players won't end the night with 34 points. Kobe does it before the third quarter.[/QUOTE]So what, Lebron does it before the fourth :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Godfather]34 points, 13/20 from the field, 100% from the stripe, 3/5 from 3...

And there is still a half to play...

Ladies and gentlemen take out your [B]opossums[/B] because the Black Mamba is back!

[IMG]http://www.getnothurt.net/images/black%20mamba%20mouth.jpg[/IMG]

Kobe Bryant has broken Jordan's MSG visiting scorer record at 61 points.

Bryant put up this on 19/31 shooting with 50% from the perimeter and 100% from the line going on 20/20![/QUOTE]
Black Mamba's and opossums don't even live on the same continent :no: