No triple-double for LeBron in NY: NBA rescinds that 10th rebound

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]They just showed the play again on NBA Shootaround and it was FAR from a 'shovel pass' by Wallace. Ben tipped the ball twice with one hand as a defender drew near and LeBron grabbed the ball after the second tip. I don't know what exactly the rule is on tipping a rebound and actually securing possession, but there is no doubt that Ben HAD NOT gained possession on that rebound and it may have gone out-of-bounds had LeBron not grabbed it after the second tip.

I had not really taken a close look at that play until after this announcement, but after seeing it several times minutes ago, I'm amazed that the league took the rebound away.

It should be noted that Legler and Avery Johnson both mocked the league for doing what it did.[/QUOTE]

Watch it on the full screen so that you can see it better. Wallace didn't have the ball in both hands or even one hand, true. But, it was under his control. He tapped upward to himself at least twice from underneath the ball, but then all of the sudden the ball changed trajectory and proceed on a horizontal path toward LeBron. And this redirection of the ball coincidentally just happened to occur when Ben was pressured by a defender. That then bears a suspicious resemblance to a pass, I'd say.

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[QUOTE]Cleveland Plain Dealer ace reporter Brian Windhorst raises an interesting point in his coverage that the league has yet to explain. Windhorst wrote: "The ruling was inconsistent with the stat crew's tallies during the game. Wallace tipped a handful of rebounds to teammates, a tactic he's perfected during his career and has been dubbed the 'Ben back-tap' by Cavs play-by-play voice Fred McLeod. Most of the time at arenas around the league, Wallace gets credit for these as rebounds. Yet the stats crew gave Wallace just one rebound in the game before NBA intervention while Wally Szczerbiak, who grabbed several of Wallace's tap-backs, ended up with an anomaly of 13 rebounds, the second-highest total of his career. The review of the film by the NBA, though, did not change any other of Wallace's uncredited back-taps or Szczerbiak's rebounds.[/QUOTE]

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So I was right, usually a back-tap [B]IS[/B] a rebound.

[QUOTE=Mikaiel][url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime[/url]

So I was right, usually a back-tap [B]IS[/B] a rebound.[/QUOTE]


A tap back [b]is not[/b] a rebound. If it was, Tyson Chandler would have off the chart rebounding numbers since I've seen him tap back more loose rebounds than anyone right now in the NBA.

[QUOTE=Diesel J]A tap back [b]is not[/b] a rebound. If it was, Tyson Chandler would have off the chart rebounding numbers since I've seen him tap back more loose rebounds than anyone right now in the NBA.[/QUOTE]

Well I think they're not consistent with their definition. I'm pretty sure Ben Wallace does get credit for it most of the time (although he didn't at MSG). I don't have any examples right now but I've seen it, and this writer did too. And usually he's a very reliable source.

[QUOTE=Mikaiel]Well I think they're not consistent with their definition. I'm pretty sure Ben Wallace does get credit for it most of the time (although he didn't at MSG). I don't have any examples right now but I've seen it, and this writer did too. And usually he's a very reliable source.[/QUOTE]

I gave the Chris Paul/Chandler example a few pages back but I'll see if I can find another example.

[QUOTE=Diesel J]I gave the Chris Paul/Chandler example a few pages back but I'll see if I can find another example.[/QUOTE]

You don't need to. All I'm saying is they're not consistent with that definition. On some nights, I'm pretty sure Tyson Chandler did get credit for the rebound.

Tap-outs are usually counted as rebounds if they are clearly to a teammate. If it causes a loose ball the one who recovers the loose ball will get the rebound.

[QUOTE]Lamar Odom rebounded that shot, made a layup, got fouled, missed the free throw [B]but controlled the rebound after a back tap by Gasol.[/B] Odom was then fouled and he split the pair of free throws to put the Lakers up, 101-100.[/QUOTE]

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Here's the play-by-play :

1:07 Odom Rebound (Off:3 Def:6)
1:07
[LAL 100-100] Odom Layup Shot: Made (16 PTS)
Howard Foul:Shooting (3 PF) 1:07
1:07 Odom Free Throw 1 of 1 missed
1:06 [B]Gasol Rebound (Off:4 Def:4)[/B]
Howard Foul:Shooting (4 PF) 1:04
1:04
[LAL 101-100] Odom Free Throw 1 of 2 (17 PTS)

So it does happen.

[QUOTE]The Cavs' rebounding has been one of their hallmarks in recent years, and they showed it last night. The Bucks actually grab more boards per game on average (which may have something to do with their shot selection), but the Cavs dominated the boards last night, 53-38. In addition to Ilgauskas and his 17 rebounds, Ben Wallace (10 boards) made a strong showing.

It's always fun when the Cavs' announcers receive some new point of emphasis and are told to mention it twelve jillion times during a broadcast. [B]Within the past week, somebody in the Cavs' production machine realized that a back tap (which is one of Wallace's weapons of choice) counts as a rebound. [/B]Consequently (I figured I'd get into character), [B]Austin Carr and Fred McLeod have pointed out several times that "a back tap counts as a rebound". [/B][/QUOTE]

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