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[QUOTE=miles berg]Mo Williams?
ROFL
Ok, Mo Williams ranks right up there with other great sidekicks of the modern era like Worthy, Kareem, Pippen, Kobe, Paul Pierce, & Gasol.
Right there on the same page![/QUOTE]
Paul Pierce ain't no fcking sidekick.
BTW- LeBron's wife is thick. I wanna check that a$$.
[QUOTE=The Logo]Wow Lebron, feeling a little insecure are we? :lol
It's not his fault. ESPN had the Cavs winning the title for sure. Lebron bought into all that hype so imagine his shock when they didn't even get to the finals and now, he has to watch Kobe and the Lakers parade around their championship trophy as everyone celebrates them.
All athletes have big egos but have we ever seen Jordan or Kobe or even A-Rod wear a t-shirt that says "check my stats"? :oldlol: That is something only an insecure individual would do because he has no rings to show off so the best he can come up with are his stats, which are pointless because what good are your stats if you can't help you team win the championship? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
I think it is a pretty cool shirt myself. I believe the stats refer to the money he's banking.
I don't see any problem with the shirt personally:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Most wins in a NBA season
72 96' Bulls NBA champions
69 97' Bulls NBA champions
69 72' Lakers NBA champions
68 67' Sixers NBA champions
[B]68 73' Celtics lost in the ECF[/B]
67 92' Bulls NBA champions
67 86' Celtics NBA champions
67 00' Lakers NBA champions
[B]67 07' Mavericks lost in the first round[/B]
66 71' Bucks NBA champions
66 08' Celtics NBA champions
[B]66 09' Cavs lost in the ECF[/B]
65 09' Lakers NBA champions
65 87' Lakers NBA champions
65 83' Sixers NBA champions[/QUOTE]
Certainly not pretty reading for Lebron. To have such a great regular season only to get embarrassed in the conference finals does look bad.
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]I don't see any problem with the shirt personally:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
LeBron said Check his Tattoos. And why are the Lakers fans hating on LeBron. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
He's the reigning League MVP.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
[QUOTE=Lebron23]LeBron said Check his Tattoos. And why are the Lakers fans hating on LeBron. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
He's the reigning League MVP.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Why should that matter? Kobe won the MVP last year and still got far more heat than Lebron ever has.
I also don't see much hate for Lebron in this thread.
Problem with Lebron is it all about the stats for him till he improves that mentality he will never win a ring no matter how much talent you surround him with.
[QUOTE=Hotshoot]Problem with Lebron is it all about the stats for him till he improves that mentality he will never win a ring no matter how much talent you surround him with.[/QUOTE]
If I am the Cavaliers General Manager I trade 1/2 of my team Roster just to acquire a major talent like Pau Gasol.
I hope that LeBron's sidekick is actually 2-3 years younger than him because the 2010's is going to be a very competitive era.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]If I am the Cavaliers General Manager I trade 1/2 of my team Roster just to acquire a major talent like Pau Gasol.
I hope that LeBron's sidekick is actually 2-3 years younger than him because the 2010's is going to be a very competitive era.[/QUOTE]
What if we gave you guy's Fisher and Bynum for Mo Williams?....Deal or no Deal?
[QUOTE=branslowski]What if we gave you guy's Fisher and Bynum for Mo Williams?....Deal or no Deal?[/QUOTE]
No way. Never.
[QUOTE=branslowski]What if we gave you guy's Fisher and Bynum for Mo Williams?....Deal or no Deal?[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Deal
[QUOTE=Lebron23]:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Deal[/QUOTE]
Then deal...Bynum avg 6ppg 4reb 40% in the Finals....I can't remember the last time a team won a Title with that kind of production from the starting Center....Maybe im just upset with Bynum atm....I do love Mo Williams....
[QUOTE=branslowski]Then deal...Bynum avg 6ppg 4reb 40% in the Finals....I can't remember the last time a team won a Title with that kind of production from the starting Center....Maybe im just upset with Bynum atm....I do love Mo Williams....[/QUOTE]
This has got to be a joke.
First off you trade a PG that can hit HUGE shots for one that goes brick in the playoffs.
Second of all, you trade away a 21 year old Center that has the tools and the body to be one of the best at his position....For a PG that was on a 66 win team and totally faded.
Other than LeBron, in my opinion Bynum is more talented than anyone on the Cavs roster.
Mo didn't play his role to try and beat the Magic. Bynum played his role to help beat the Magic.
Say bye-bye to team chemistry or a decent future.:ohwell:
[QUOTE=branslowski]Then deal...Bynum avg 6ppg 4reb 40% in the Finals....I can't remember the last time a team won a Title with that kind of production from the starting Center....Maybe im just upset with Bynum atm....I do love Mo Williams....[/QUOTE]
Bynum has more potential than Mo Williams. Before his injury he's putting up solid numbers in the Regular Season.
You know what we're experiencing here?
Basically its the same logic that Lakers fans have been TRYING to explain for years.
Kobe had a GARBAGE team prior to this one for years...yet they did alright, considering he had a team of Smush, Cook, and the rest of the Cosby Kids...
Yet we, as Laker fans were making up "excuses"
Then this year....with this loss....Its because Lebron has a cast of garbage....but this time, the logic is sound, and legitimate.
Oh how time changes things eh?
[QUOTE=oh the horror]You know what we're experiencing here?
Basically its the same logic that Lakers fans have been TRYING to explain for years.
Kobe had a GARBAGE team prior to this one for years...yet they did alright, considering he had a team of Smush, Cook, and the rest of the Cosby Kids...
Yet we, as Laker fans were making up "excuses"
Then this year....with this loss....Its because Lebron has a cast of garbage....but this time, the logic is sound, and legitimate.
Oh how time changes things eh?[/QUOTE]
Not close to being the same, those Laker teams never won 66 regular season games.
[QUOTE=oh the horror]You know what we're experiencing here?
Basically its the same logic that Lakers fans have been TRYING to explain for years.
Kobe had a GARBAGE team prior to this one for years...yet they did alright, considering he had a team of Smush, Cook, and the rest of the Cosby Kids...
Yet we, as Laker fans were making up "excuses"
Then this year....with this loss....Its because Lebron has a cast of garbage....but this time, the logic is sound, and legitimate.
Oh how time changes things eh?[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Shaq did it in less games. David Robinson got his 10000th point in 396 games so I guess he isn't included (lol). Wilt would have too if they counted blocks. Kareem too. Probably a lot more but don't feel like checking.[/QUOTE]
[B][U]Became the youngest player (23 years, 308 days) and fastest (395 games) to reach the following totals: 10,000 points + 2,500 rebounds + 2,500 assists + 700 steals + 300 blocks.[/U]
Fatal9 is full of sh!t again.
[COLOR="Navy"]David Robinson has 2441 assists in his entire career, so David Robinson NEVER reached that mark.
Shaq didn't crack the 2500 assist mark until the 2004-2005 season, Shaq just cracked the 700 steals mark last year.
Once again, Fatal9 proves his ability to post nothing but false material[/COLOR].[/B]
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[QUOTE=bruceblitz]I don't have a problem with it either....
[B]Let's check his stats:[/B]
04-05:
LeBron 27.2ppg 7.4reb 7.2ast 47%fg 2.2stl .7blk
05-06
LeBron 31.4ppg 7.0reb 6.6ast 48%fg 1.6stl .8blk
06-07
LeBron 27.3ppg 7.0reb 6.6ast 48%fg 1.6stl .8blk
07-08
LeBron 30.0ppg 7.9reb 7.2ast 48%fg 1.8stl 1.1blk
08-09
LeBron 28.4ppg 7.6reb 7.2ast 49%fg 1.7stl 1.1blk
Accumulated stats the last 5 years:
LeBron James 28.9ppg 7.3reb 6.9ast 48%fg 1.8stl .9blk
LeBron vs Orlando 2009 playoffs...38.5ppg 48.7%fg 8.3reb 8ast 1.16blk 1.16stl
Playoffs 2009: 35.3ppg 51%fg 9reb 7ast
LeBron's first 6 years in the NBA have been better than most all time great's primes. That's the difference between ranking LeBron as compared to other players, right from the start he's put up Hall of Fame performances night in and night out. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I came to my conclusions after over a year of contemplation. It wasn't like I just threw that list together. I made the best case I could for every single player, including Kobe, and I took LeBron's faults and shortcomings into mind as well. When you think about the fact that it took Jordan 11 seasons of playing most the year to finish top 10 in the MVP voting 11 times, and LeBron has already done that 6 times in 6 seasons, he's only 4 years away from matching a mark that Jordan posted over his entire career. I personally think a lot of people underrate LeBron because he's only 24. The type of production and level of greatness LeBron has produced in his first 6 years is the type of production you usually see during a legend's peak.
Became the youngest player in NBA history to score 11,000 points (23 years, 324 days) and 12,000 points (24 years, 35 days) during the season.
Became the youngest player (23 years, 308 days) and fastest (395 games) to reach the following totals: 10,000 points, 2,500 rebounds, 2,500 assists, 700 steals and 300 blocks.
Scored 41 points in three of the Cavs first eight games (41 vs. Chi on Nov. 5th and 8th and 41 vs. Milwaukee on Nov. 11th), becoming the first player since Michael Jordan in 1991 to score 40-or-more in at least three of a team's first eight games of a season.
With 38 points, seven rebounds, six assists, three blocks and four steals versus Boston on Jan. 9, he became the first person reach those numbers in a game since David Robinson on March 19, 1994.
Totaled 23 points, 15 rebounds, 11 assists and three blocks versus Sacramento on Jan. 27th, posting at least those numbers in a game since Larry Bird in 1987.
Tallied 33 points, 14 rebounds and nine assists on Jan. 24th at Utah, becoming the first player to record at least those numbers in a non-overtime game since Kevin Garnett in 2004.
At Madison Square Garden on Feb. 4th, James posted 52 points, nine rebounds, 11 assists and two blocks against the Knicks. The last player to have at least those numbers in a game was Wilt Chamberlain on March 18th, 1968. He joined Michael Jordan as the only two visitors to MSG to have multiple 50-point games.
Made a 2008-09 NBA season-high tying eight three-pointers on 11 attempts on his way to a season-best 55 points at Milwaukee on Feb. 20.
Became only the 12th player in NBA history to have three consecutive triple-doubles (March 7th, 10th and 12th).
Lead the Cavaliers in total points, rebounds assists, steals and blocks. He joins Kevin Garnett (MIN - 2002), Scottie Pippen (CHI -1994) and Dave Cowens (BOS - 1977) as the only players to accomplish that feat.
Posted 43 points, 12 rebounds, eight assists, four steals and a block versus Orlando on March 17th, joining Larry Bird in 1992 as the only players to record at least those numbers in a game.
With a PER ranking above 31.5, James is on pace to not only lead the league , but also have one of the top three seasons all-time (Michael Jordan currently owns the top four seasons: 1987-91).
Is the only active player in the NBA to have five consecutive seasons with at least 2,000 points and became just the ninth in NBA history, joining legends Kareem Abdul-Jabar, George Gervin, Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlin, Dominique Wilkins, Oscar Robertson, Alex English and Karl Malone all-time.
With his fourth season of at least 2,000 points, 500 rebounds and 500 assists, James became the 2nd player in NBA history (Oscar Robertson) to post at least those numbers in four seasons or more.
LeBron James finished March with 479 points, 152 rebounds and 143 assists. The only other player in NBA history to reach each of those totals in one month is Oscar Robertson, who did it in eight separate months, most recently in January 1965.
[B]That's a nice resume.[/B][/QUOTE]
Stats don't equal rings.
[QUOTE=chopchop20]Stats don't equal rings.[/QUOTE]
Wow, are you serious?
LeBron = Peyton Manning of the NBA
Putting up the best numbers in the game, when he has a true team of contenders around him who can beat the top level teams, he will win a championship, just the same as Peyton Manning when the Colts finally put a defense on the field.
[QUOTE=bladefd]You do not read whole statements right? You only look at one piece of a whole sentence and just comment on that one little piece. I said "I would say he(Kerr) was a better version of Mo Williams today [B]from 3pt line[/B]." Kerr is a better 3pt shooter than Mo Williams. I did not say Kerr is better overall scorer or better rebounder or better passer or better defender, etc. All I said was that Kerr was a better [B]3pt shooter[/B]. I personally believe that Kerr was the 2nd best [B]3-pt shooter[/B] in the 90's after Reggie Miller. You can make the argument that he was the 3rd best 3pt shooter after Miller and Rice in 90s. [/QUOTE]
Players who led the league in [B]3pt fg%[/B] in the 90's:
Dell Curry
Dale Ellis
Glen Rice
Tim Legler
Tracy Murray
Chris Mullin
Dana Barros
Jim Les
Steve Kerr
Players who lead the [B]league in 3pt fg's made [/B]in the 90's:
Vernon Maxwell
Dan Majerle
Reggie Miller
John Starks
Dennis Scott
Wesley Person
Dee Brown
You have Kerr ranked 2cnd out of all these [B]shooters?[/B]
Steve Kerr isn't anywhere near most of those guys let alone [B]John Stockton, Mark Price and Jeff Hornacek.[/B]
[QUOTE=Simple Jack]Steve Kerr is overrated.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=All Net]Not close to being the same, those Laker teams never won 66 regular season games.[/QUOTE]
That's right. When your team is the #1 seed with 66 wins, the notion that your team sucks is ridiculous. Jordan's amazing 37.1 PPG season only netted his team 40 wins. The Cavs not getting to the Finals is nothing short of a huge failure.
And how can you blame matchup problems when you're up 20 points near halftime, yet still manage to lose the game?
[QUOTE=cotdt]That's right. When your team is the #1 seed with 66 wins, the notion that your team sucks is ridiculous. Jordan's amazing 37.1 PPG season only netted his team 40 wins. The Cavs not getting to the Finals is nothing short of a huge failure.[/QUOTE]
Why do you keep wasting our time here?
#1: The Cavs have a good team, nobody's saying they don't, we were texting about the fact that they need a low post scoring presence, so when they are matched up with the best teams in the game, they can compete instead of relying on outside shooting and/or LeBron to make all the plays.
#2: Can you even name the starting line-up around Jordan that year? Can you discuss how they performed as a whole?
#3: Stop typing!
[QUOTE=bruceblitz][B][U]Became the youngest player (23 years, 308 days) and fastest (395 games) to reach the following totals: 10,000 points + 2,500 rebounds + 2,500 assists + 700 steals + 300 blocks.[/U]
Fatal9 is full of sh!t again.
[COLOR="Navy"]David Robinson has 2441 assists in his entire career, so David Robinson NEVER reached that mark.
Shaq didn't crack the 2500 assist mark until the 2004-2005 season, Shaq just cracked the 700 steals mark last year.
Once again, Fatal9 proves his ability to post nothing but false material[/COLOR].[/B]
[IMG]http://mccormicky.com/tiresome/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/homer-doh.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The poster I quoted highlighted 10000 points, 300 blocks and 2500 rebounds, and I was clearly referring to those particular statistics. Didn't see the 2500 assists and 700 steals requirement (scanned it quickly and missed the unbolded parts).
[QUOTE=Fatal9]The poster I quoted highlighted 10000 points, 300 blocks and 2500 rebounds, and I was clearly referring to those particular statistics. Didn't see the 2500 assists and 700 steals requirement (scanned it quickly and missed the unbolded parts).[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :no:
It is odd how one hand how many Lebron fans say his team sucks but then on other talk about how great he will do next season--including winning Finals MVP. As far as we know he will pretty much have the same team next season.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]It is odd how one hand how many Lebron fans say his team sucks but then on other talk about how great he will do next season--including winning Finals MVP. As far as we know he will pretty much have the same team next season.[/QUOTE]
You will never quote me as saying that, for sure. I truly believe the Cavs are gonna make 1-3 good moves in the off-season. Ben Wallace retiring is gonna give them some good trade bait because they will be able to trade him to a team who wants to free up cap space. That's why he's waiting to actually retire until he's traded. No doubt the Cavs need a low post scoring presence before LeBron has the tools around him to lead them to a title. The Celtics will be coming back in full force next year and KG has guaranteed a back to back championship for them in 10-11.
I was thinking about people like Lebron23. That guy says Lebron will win regular season, all-star game, and finals MVP next season (I think he also says Lebron will lead the league in scoring too).
They will make moves but it remains to be seen whether they can make a significant move and whether that move pans out. They acquired Mo Williams and he was supposed to be their reliable #2 scorer and look at how that turned out. :oldlol:
Cleveland definitely needs to make at least 2 moves. I think Hedo would be a good fit. And Shaq would give them a much-needed scorer in the post.
LeBron needs to work on his post game as well, especially his footwork. Mike Brown needs to find a way to make teams fear LeBron all over the court, like #24. Cleveland is just too basic in the way that they use LeBron, and he 's gotta add more to his game
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]I was thinking about people like Lebron23. That guy says Lebron will win regular season, all-star game, and finals MVP next season (I think he also says Lebron will lead the league in scoring too).
They will make moves but it remains to be seen whether they can make a significant move and whether that move pans out. They acquired Mo Williams and he was supposed to be their reliable #2 scorer and look at how that turned out. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Team sports and the future of team sports is hard to predict because of all the intangables. Anyways, the whole regular season, and scoring title thing, I think D Wade is gonna have something to say about that. I bet D Wade sits at his house watching all of the hype around LBJ and Kobe, and D Wade wants to be talked about on the same level as them. Those of us in the "know", we know D Wade is clearly a top 3 player in the NBA depending on where you rank him, but I think he's gonna have a big say in all of those categories except Finals MVP. The whole All-Star game MVP, who cares?
[QUOTE=chopchop20]Cleveland definitely needs to make at least 2 moves. I think Hedo would be a good fit. And Shaq would give them a much-needed scorer in the post.
LeBron needs to work on his post game as well, especially his footwork. Mike Brown needs to find a way to make teams fear LeBron all over the court, like #24. Cleveland is just too basic in the way that they use LeBron, and he 's gotta add more to his game[/QUOTE]
LeBron's skill set in the post is right on, he can do anything in the post, you really should watch him more. He needs to play face up basketball though because the Cavs rely on him to draw the defense in, freeing up the shooters for good looks. If they used LeBron in the post all day, that would render their shooters useless for the most part. You gotta think about the way you incorporate his usage in the team offense as pertains to the players who are around him and their strengths.
[QUOTE=bruceblitz]I bet D Wade sits at his house watching all of the hype around LBJ and Kobe, and D Wade wants to be talked about on the same level as them. Those of us in the "know", we know D Wade is clearly a top 3 player in the NBA depending on where you rank him, but I think he's gonna have a big say in all of those categories except Finals MVP. The whole All-Star game MVP, who cares?[/QUOTE]
You lie!!! D-Wade says that he does not care about all the popularity Kobe and Lebron are getting. He cares more about his personal life, which sucks right now. He said he does not care about the MVP trophy.
[QUOTE=bruceblitz]LeBron's skill set in the post is right on, he can do anything in the post, you really should watch him more. He needs to play face up basketball though because the Cavs rely on him to draw the defense in, freeing up the shooters for good looks. If they used LeBron in the post all day, that would render their shooters useless for the most part. You gotta think about the way you incorporate his usage in the team offense as pertains to the players who are around him and their strengths.[/QUOTE]
Finally, you say something decent.
Wade's team can only next year improve through experience. If they can get to the 50's in wins Wade has a legitimate shot at being MVP, although this will be greatly influenced by which end of the 50's they are at and their seeding. Individually he is right up there with Lebron/Kobe but his team sucking holds him back as far as the public eye goes.
[QUOTE=bruceblitz]LeBron's skill set in the post is right on, he can do anything in the post, you really should watch him more. He needs to play face up basketball though because the Cavs rely on him to draw the defense in, freeing up the shooters for good looks. If they used LeBron in the post all day, that would render their shooters useless for the most part. You gotta think about the way you incorporate his usage in the team offense as pertains to the players who are around him and their strengths.[/QUOTE]
At best, I'd say LeBron is "effective" in the post. But a guy who's 6'9 and 270+ should be killing it. I mean, he should be getting most of his touches in the paint. It's a much better % than isolating him at the top of the key and waiting for him to make a move.
I realize that the offense still relies on the skill of the players around him, but I think Mike Brown could still do more with the talent that he has
LEBRON JAMES=CHARLES BARKLEY... GREAT STATS- PERENNIAL LOSERS!!!
PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR TEAMMATES, WHILE THEY SUCK HARD WHEN GAME IS ON THE LINE...
WIN SOMETHING BEFORE TATTING YOURSELF THE CHOSEN ONE...
WHAT A TOOL...BUT THEN AGAIN THERE ARE A MANY TOOLS ON THIS SITE!!!:lol
NO WONDER BARKLEY CRIED ABOUT JAMES BEING OUSTED IN ECF AND CRIED HARDER WHEN THE LAKERS WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP...IT WAS DE JA VU ALL OVER FOR HIM...HAHAHA
[QUOTE=chopchop20]At best, I'd say LeBron is "effective" in the post. But a guy who's 6'9 and 270+ should be killing it. I mean, he should be getting most of his touches in the paint. It's a much better % than isolating him at the top of the key and waiting for him to make a move.
I realize that the offense still relies on the skill of the players around him, but I think Mike Brown could still do more with the talent that he has[/QUOTE]
Again, you dont understand the concept of using LeBron's ability to handle the rock like a point forward, and the way that opens up the floor for his teammates, for everyone from Big Z to Delonte West.
[QUOTE=KOBERAMBIS]LEBRON JAMES=CHARLES BARKLEY... GREAT STATS- PERENNIAL LOSERS!!!
PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR TEAMMATES, WHILE THEY SUCK HARD WHEN GAME IS ON THE LINE...
WIN SOMETHING BEFORE TATTING YOURSELF THE CHOSEN ONE...
WHAT A TOOL...BUT THEN AGAIN THERE ARE A MANY TOOLS ON THIS SITE!!!:lol
NO WONDER BARKLEY CRIED ABOUT JAMES BEING OUSTED IN ECF AND CRIED HARDER WHEN THE LAKERS WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP...IT WAS DE JA VU ALL OVER FOR HIM...HAHAHA[/QUOTE]
Repping the Kobe apostles to the fullest.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/thelebronjamesblitz[/url]
[QUOTE=bruceblitz]Repping the Kobe apostles to the fullest.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/thelebronjamesblitz[/url][/QUOTE]
What did I say that isn't 100% accurate Bruce?
[QUOTE=KOBERAMBIS]What did I say that isn't 100% accurate Bruce?[/QUOTE]
:wtf: :no: :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=bruceblitz]:wtf: :no: :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Great answer. Speaking of Tools...
Does your moniker say idiot savant with a heavy dose of idiot?
...THOUGHT SO!!!