Wade talking trash about Dirk!

[QUOTE=sic]I can agree with all except Dirk.
In fact i would put KG, Elton Brand,TMAC above Dirk.[/QUOTE]


You just lost all respect, and I don't even know you. What has T-Mac done, he's never been past the 1st round of the playoffs? Elton Brand, very solid player, he'd be in my Top 10, no way better than Dirk. His Clippers are just as talented as the Mavs, and yet where have they gotten? Being a good player is all about where you get your team. Dirk has watched all of his teammates(Nash, Finley, Walker, Jamison, Van Exel) ALL LEAVE DALLAS, and yet his team hasn't won less than 52 games since 2000-01. Who do you think is responsible for that? Think before you speak.

[QUOTE=Money 23]If you get physical with Dirk, he gets rattled. It was visible all through out the NBA Finals. I can't imagine what he would do if he was playing in the 90's.[/QUOTE]


Exactly, because it's a completely different game now. But that's my point, the NBA referee's can't just suddenly decide to allow physical play during the NBA Finals(for one team only) when it hasn't been allowed in years. They did that, allowed physical play against Dirk(which Haslem/Posey/Walker did). I wouldn't even care so much if they allowed physical play from Dallas against Miami, but we all know what happened there.

[QUOTE=joewait]Ok, let me explain my point as clearly as possible, since a bunch of people here aren't too intelligent. Never once did I say Dirk or Kobe is a greater player than Bird or Jordan, considering the latter dominated their eras. My point is that when Jordan came in the league, everything he did was new. Barely anyone else could do what he does. Well Kobe has mastered everything Jordan did, AND he has better range. it's not that complicated to understand or fathom, it really isn't. same goes for Dirk. Back then a 6'9'' forward with long range skills was rare, and now it simply isn't that rare. if you can't poissbly begin to understand that, you're either not very intelligent and/or you've never played basketball. Any coach or former player can tell you this is the case. The competition is simply too good now and the league has more players and teams (including more good players) that it's not possible for any one or two players to just dominate the league. If you can't see that, you're probably not the brightest guy out there. Just watch a game from the 80s, and it looks like slow motion compared to now.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to start calling people who say this kind of thing liars.

Jordan came back THREE YEARS AGO at 40 and at one point was putting up numbers only two other players in the league were.............Kobe and TMac. Further he had knee surgery that year as well. Still dropped 50,40 several times, etc. etc.

If there was such great competition now (bullshyt) and all of that, there is NO WAY a 40 year old man, on a bum knee, two years removed from NBA competiton would be able to put up the numbers he did. NO WAY.

So it is no stretch to assume that a prime Jordan would have fared just as well or BETTER (I say better given these new perimiter rules).

Lastly, NO perimeter player in the league currently has ever been through anything like the Bad Boy Pistons or early 90s Knicks teams. Hell, even some of those Miami teams were brutal defensively.

Oh, and please tell me about all the great centers there are in the league right now as compared to the 80s/90s. The big man post game has all but dissapeared. Have you ever watched basketball from that period or just highlights here and there?

Either counter every point I just made intelliegently, or stop talking nonsense.

[QUOTE=TiMavericks21]Exactly, because it's a completely different game now. But that's my point, the NBA referee's can't just suddenly decide to allow physical play during the NBA Finals(for one team only) when it hasn't been allowed in years. They did that, allowed physical play against Dirk(which Haslem/Posey/Walker did). I wouldn't even care so much if they allowed physical play from Dallas against Miami, but we all know what happened there.[/QUOTE]

Dallas is too soft to play physical. And thanks for admitting that Dirk is soft. HE gets rattled by physical play.

[QUOTE=JSub]Wade gets to talk sh!t about Dirk until the day Dirk takes the title from him (which aint gonna happen anytime soon).[/QUOTE]

You're right, because he won't be there to defend it.

[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]I'm going to start calling people who say this kind of thing liars.

Jordan came back THREE YEARS AGO at 40 and at one point was putting up numbers only two other players in the league were.............Kobe and TMac. Further he had knee surgery that year as well. Still dropped 50,40 several times, etc. etc.[/QUOTE]
Thank You!!!

[QUOTE]If there was such great competition now (bullshyt) and all of that, there is NO WAY a 40 year old man, on a bum knee, two years removed from NBA competiton would be able to put up the numbers he did. NO WAY.[/QUOTE]
Yes there could, cause he's the GOAT...

[QUOTE]So it is no stretch to assume that a prime Jordan would have fared just as well or BETTER (I say better given these new perimiter rules).[/QUOTE]
Well, let's do the math...

If 39/40 year old Jordan gave players today fits...

When 'comeback' Jordan, minus the athleticism, dominated Kobe and everyone else...

There is no way anyone in the League could see a 1985 - 1993 Michael Jordan. No way, no how...

[QUOTE]Lastly, NO perimeter player in the league currently has ever been through anything like the Bad Boy Pistons or early 90s Knicks teams. Hell, even some of those Miami teams were brutal defensively.[/QUOTE]
Yup. It's easy to score with out a players hand on your hip, and ability to shift you with his upper body. THAT's DEFENSE. THAT's a CHALLENGE. Jordan put up his numbers against defenses like that. And did so, in a more effecient manner, than Kobe does now. Imagine if Jordan had these pansy rules to work with on the permiter... dude could average 40 ppg.

How come that team got markedly better the minute Jordan left?

[QUOTE=Money 23]Thank You!!!


Yes there could, cause he's the GOAT...


Well, let's do the math...

If 39/40 year old Jordan gave players today fits...

When 'comeback' Jordan, minus the athleticism, dominated Kobe and everyone else...

There is no way anyone in the League could see a 1985 - 1993 Michael Jordan. No way, no how...


Yup. It's easy to score with out a players hand on your hip, and ability to shift you with his upper body. THAT's DEFENSE. THAT's a CHALLENGE. Jordan put up his numbers against defenses like that. And did so, in a more effecient manner, than Kobe does now. Imagine if Jordan had these pansy rules to work with on the permiter... dude could average 40 ppg.[/QUOTE]

and you're conveninetly ignoring the fact the guys guarding him on the pistons then were considerably shorter and less athletic than the ones now. Dumars was 6'3'. thats the same height as Billups. Good job

[QUOTE=Younggrease]Dallas is too soft to play physical. And thanks for admitting that Dirk is soft. HE gets rattled by physical play.[/QUOTE]


I don't understand the point your making here. If you're trying to suggest that Dirk doesn't have a "physical game", you are 100% correct, but who doesn't know that. Saying he's soft, why, because he doesn't bang downlow with PF's. That's not his game. What is your point? The point is, the NBA hasn't allowed physical play for years, why do you think finesse players like Kobe, T-Mac, Dirk, Wade now dominate the game. However, SUDDENLY in the NBA FINALS(of all places), they start to allow physical play against Dirk, after not allowing it all year and all postseason? ADDITIONALLY, THEY ALLOW NO PHYSICALITY ON WADE. So tell me, what is your point? That Dirk gets rattled by physical play? Who doesn't? If they allowed the same physical play that they allowed on Nowitzki, on Wade, it's a completely different series. He doesn't go to the FT line 16 times a game, the Heat aren't champions.

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]How come that team got markedly better the minute Jordan left?[/QUOTE]

Actually one of the years Jordan was there the Wiz went on an 11 game winning streak and were well on their way to the playoffs until Rip went down for an extended period of time with an injury, all but ruining their chances. Further, Jordan had knee surgery which caused him to miss time and bothered him for his tenure there. There was a time when he was one of the frontrunners for MVP.

But this isn't about how good the team was and all of that. This is about the FACT that a 40 year old Jordan on a bum knee was putting up numbers on par with today's top perimeter players.

Something that should have been impossible according to joewaits argument that the competition today is soooooooo much better. That argument is pure garbage and holds zero weight when you examine all of the evidence.

Now, I answered your question. Why don't you try refuting my points if you don't agree?

Yeah, but Dumars was still a good defender. And the physicality of it all, more than makes up for less athleticism. Hell, that does more damage than contested shots due to athleticism. Jordan faced Clyde Drexler, Gerald Wilkins, etc. all very athletic players, and he torched them as well. What's your point? He torched Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, etc. back in 2001 - 2003. Why wouldn't he be able to completely destroy them with prime athletic ability?

[QUOTE=TiMavericks21]I don't understand the point your making here. If you're trying to suggest that Dirk doesn't have a "physical game", you are 100% correct, but who doesn't know that. Saying he's soft, why, because he doesn't bang downlow with PF's. That's not his game. What is your point? The point is, the NBA hasn't allowed physical play for years, why do you think finesse players like Kobe, T-Mac, Dirk, Wade now dominate the game. However, SUDDENLY in the NBA FINALS(of all places), they start to allow physical play against Dirk, after not allowing it all year and all postseason? ADDITIONALLY, THEY ALLOW NO PHYSICALITY ON WADE. So tell me, what is your point? That Dirk gets rattled by physical play? Who doesn't? If they allowed the same physical play that they allowed on Nowitzki, on Wade, it's a completely different series. He doesn't go to the FT line 16 times a game, the Heat aren't champions.[/QUOTE]

Kobe doesnt get rattled by physical play and the refs let RAja get physical with him. You guys didnt foul Wade hard one time, that the MAvs fault. They never even tried to play phyical. You guys would just let him waltz in for a layup. They should have gave him some hard fouls especially Dirk but he didnt because he is soft.

If the Mavs werent soft than the HEat arent champions. The Heat got lucky in the sense that they played the Mavs. BEcause the Spurs or Suns would have beat them.

[QUOTE=Younggrease]Kobe doesnt get rattled by physical play and the refs let RAja get physical with him. You guys didnt foul Wade hard one time, that the MAvs fault. They never even tried to play phyical. You guys would just let him waltz in for a layup. They should have gave him some hard fouls especially Dirk but he didnt because he is soft.

If the Mavs werent soft than the HEat arent champions. The Heat got lucky in the sense that they played the Mavs. BEcause the Spurs or Suns would have beat them.[/QUOTE]

Stackhouse got sent packing for a game for a 'hard' foul, what series were you watching?

[QUOTE=joewait]and you're conveninetly ignoring the fact the guys guarding him on the pistons then were considerably shorter and less athletic than the ones now. Dumars was 6'3'. thats the same height as Billups. Good job[/QUOTE]

the Pistons were more than just one player it was a SYSTEM. They came up with Jordan Rules where the WHOLE TEAM was supposed to focus on Michael FIRST, then the rest of the Bulls. But even aside from that Dumars was a hell of a defender. It's not always height. How do you think Bowen has been able to disturb players taller than him? Or Rodman was able to agitate Shaq from time time?

Further their frontline was probably the most intimidating ever. Those 90s Knicks teams were close as well.

Jordan still got his on all of those teams, and no perimieter player in the league today has gone up against anything like that.

[QUOTE=Younggrease]Kobe doesnt get rattled by physical play and the refs let RAja get physical with him. You guys didnt foul Wade hard one time, that the MAvs fault. They never even tried to play phyical. You guys would just let him waltz in for a layup. They should have gave him some hard fouls especially Dirk but he didnt because he is soft.

If the Mavs werent soft than the HEat arent champions. The Heat got lucky in the sense that they played the Mavs. BEcause the Spurs or Suns would have beat them.[/QUOTE]

Oh well. The result is Finals MVP and a 35ppg series for Wade and only the bitter will try to take away from that. Besides, I thought Shaq would NEVER win another title without Bryant??? :confused:

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]Stackhouse got sent packing for a game for a 'hard' foul, what series were you watching?[/QUOTE]


He fouled Shaq, why not wade Wade some tough fouls. One hard foul could have changed the series. I was saying it all series long. I knew they were going to give Wade bs fouls, so I would make sure I got my moneys worth on my fouls. He would have hit the deck mad hard every time he went to the basket.

[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]Oh well. The result is Finals MVP and a 35ppg series for Wade and only the bitter will try to take away from that. Besides, I thought Shaq would NEVER win another title without Bryant??? :confused:[/QUOTE]

why are you bringing that argument into this thread...Im not taking anything away from Wade

Wade did his thing... took over, dominated, and got his CHIP...

What does that have to do with Kobe Bryant? Kobe is just as good (probably better) than Dwyane Wade.

[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]the Pistons were more than just one player it was a SYSTEM. They came up with Jordan Rules where the WHOLE TEAM was supposed to focus on Michael FIRST, then the rest of the Bulls. But even aside from that Dumars was a hell of a defender. It's not always height. How do you think Bowen has been able to disturb players taller than him? Or Rodman was able to agitate Shaq from time time?

Further their frontline was probably the most intimidating ever. Those 90s Knicks teams were close as well.

Jordan still got his on all of those teams, and no perimieter player in the league today has gone up against anything like that.[/QUOTE]

You really don't follow. Ok, well we know back then there were fewer teams and no free agency and physical play was allowed. Are you somehow trying to tell me the Pistons of 03-04, if allowed to play with the brute physicality of the 80s teams could, wouldn't be able to do what the bad boys did to jordan? just look at the guys size, height, athletcism. I guarantee you they could have done that. Do you think Kevin garnett or any of the other big guys now with absurdly long reaches couldn't have done what they did in the 80s? Power forwards back then were like 6'8''. Jesus Christ. I don't see how Ewing would guard any power forward now, they'd all run circles around him. All the guys now have the skill set to succeed in the 80s if the rules changed. Difference is you cannot say that about the guys then, if they were to play now. And thats a fact

I'm sorry but how exactly is Wade talking trash?

Dirk says it was Dallas' poor defense and not Wade's ability that won the series for the Heat. What exactly is Wade supposed to say?!?

"Oh, didn't realize they were having so many defensive breakdowns. That cheapens what I did so here's the trophy back?"

To me its simply Wade stepping on their sour grapes.

[QUOTE=joewait]You really don't follow. Ok, well we know back then there were fewer teams and no free agency and physical play was allowed. Are you somehow trying to tell me the Pistons of 03-04, if allowed to play with the brute physicality of the 80s teams could, wouldn't be able to do what the bad boys did to jordan? just look at the guys size, height, athletcism. I guarantee you they could have done that. Do you think Kevin garnett or any of the other big guys now with absurdly long reaches couldn't have done what they did in the 80s? Power forwards back then were like 6'8''. Jesus Christ. I don't see how Ewing would guard any power forward now, they'd all run circles around him. All the guys now have the skill set to succeed in the 80s if the rules changed. Difference is you cannot say that about the guys then, if they were to play now. And thats a fact[/QUOTE]

I'm done with you. You've failed to refute the points I've made are now just saying anything.

I will leave you with one thing, and that is that if you equate athleticism BY ITSELF with basketball greatness, you're a fool. Also, if you don't think there were athletic players in the 80s and 90s and magically in the past 8 years or so all these super athletes have arrived, you're also a fool.

Yeah, I really don't see it as Wade talking greasy...

[QUOTE=Da KO King]I'm sorry but how exactly is Wade talking trash?

Dirk says it was Dallas' poor defense and not Wade's ability that won the series for the Heat. What exactly is Wade supposed to say?!?

"Oh, didn't realize they were having so many defensive breakdowns. That cheapens what I did so here's the trophy back?"

To me its simply Wade stepping on their sour grapes.[/QUOTE]

This makes too much sense for your average simpleton with a hardon for Wade to understand.

[QUOTE=joewait]You really don't follow. Ok, well we know back then there were fewer teams and no free agency and physical play was allowed. Are you somehow trying to tell me the Pistons of 03-04, if allowed to play with the brute physicality of the 80s teams could, wouldn't be able to do what the bad boys did to jordan? just look at the guys size, height, athletcism. I guarantee you they could have done that. Do you think Kevin garnett or any of the other big guys now with absurdly long reaches couldn't have done what they did in the 80s? Power forwards back then were like 6'8''. Jesus Christ.[B] I don't see how Ewing would guard any power forward now, they'd all run circles around him.[/B] All the guys now have the skill set to succeed in the 80s if the rules changed. Difference is you cannot say that about the guys then, if they were to play now. And thats a fact[/QUOTE]

Sorry but Ewing would be the best big in the game right now sans Duncan if he was in the League. He wouldnt be guarding pf because he is a center. And there is not one center in the league that can guard EWing,

Even your hero Dirk wouldnt be anything special in the learly 90's. He wouldnt even be a top 10 player.

[QUOTE=joewait]and you're conveninetly ignoring the fact the guys guarding him on the pistons then were considerably shorter and less athletic than the ones now. Dumars was 6'3'. thats the same height as Billups. Good job[/QUOTE]


look fool, if you are implying just because Dumars was shorter, that meant his D aren't on par with today's, you're a fool. Stop being ignorant. Anyone with eyes saw the clips of the 80s Pistons on Jordan, they fouled him, hard everytime he jumped, there were actually video evidence of Laimbeer putting Jordan in a headlock, slapping him in the head, etc as Jordan is going up. People wrap Jordan up the minute he leaves the ground, shoves, pushes, etc. There is no way any unbiased fan can say that it's harder to score on today's defense than on the 80s Pistons or 90s Knicks.

You're also a fool for thinking Kobe has mastered EVERYTHIHNG Jordan had AND Kobe has better range. If you put it like that, you're basically saying Kobe is straight out BETTER THAN JORDAN. Considering Kobe mastered every part of Jordan's game plus Kobe has better range. That's just a dumb ass comment, again, no unbiased fan can say Kobe has "mastered" all of Jordan's skills and strengths.

Finally, the fact that Jordan at 40 could still put up damn good numbers, the numbers Jordan put up at age 39 and 40 were low by his standards, but they would be considered "career best numbers" for all but about 10 players in the league right now. FORTY YEARS OLD. For him to do that at 40, you'd have to be f*cking ignorant, stupid AND retarded to think a 25 year old Jordan couldn't dominate today's league when he could put up 23, 5, 5 at age FORTY.

Jordan in 02 got hurt around the all star break and because he didnt want to quit on the team played through much of it and only put up 16ppg and played just 28 minutes after the break. But before it....

25/6/5.3 and he was getting better. Working into shape. he month just before he got hurt he averaged a rounded off 27/7/5.

Kobe for the year put up a rounded up 25/6/6 and Jordan before he went down put up...25/6/5. jordan slightly up in blocks. Both with 1.48 steals. And Kobe played more minutes. Jordan was at 25/6/5 in under 35 minutes a game. Kobe has not played minutes that low since 1998. Kobe shot better from the field that year. But Jordan was not the Jordan of old. He was old Jordan. He was out there hesitating to dunk because he didnt want to miss.


This "era" **** has gotten totally out of control when people think Michael Jordan would fail to do anything these days. Wade just led a team to a title while being worse than Jordan at literally every single phase of the game. And thats something often said but rarely true. But Jordan in his prime was a better midrange, outside, and in the lane shooter, a better defender in the post and outside, a better passer, rebounder, and really...everything. Well I guess MJ didnt have Wades crossover but a crossover and ball handling arent the same thing. Jordan was better than Wade at getting where he wanted to be. And thats enough ball handling for me.

If Jordan 12-15 years removed from his physical peak in a stage of his life he had to be all skills and could barely even dunk could put up 25/6/5 in a league that had basically every current great player aside from Lebron and Wade how is an equally skilled but far more athletic Jordan going to fail to dominate?

Jordan had comp to equal anyones. Nobody in this league now that Kevin Willis is gone has even played a team the equal of the Showtime Lakers or Birds Celtics. Well no. is cliff still around in NJ? If so...no star has played them. None of these guards have had to beat Dumars and/or Rodman to go into the lane and get knock the **** out by Laimbeer and have them get away with it. Nobody today is going into the lane and running into centers like Hakeem/Drob/Mutombo in his prime/Zo/Ewing and so on.

And Jordan played when despite getting favored by the refs he couldnt get the calls Wade, AI, Bron, and Kobe do. The rules have changed in their favors. NBA allows a zone but teams dont really use it well and teams in the 80s used it too they just got away with it(unless they were playing Pat Riley who loved to point it out to refs when his own team wasnt using one).

You cant even handcheck a guy anymore. Much less all the **** Rodman, Moncrief, Jones, Gerald Wilkins, Starks, Dumars, nance, DJ, and such did to MJ. And the athletic difference between the best modern outside defenders and MJs isnt big. The best man to man defender now is probably Bruce Bowen who is hardly an athletic freak. Hes just determined, with good fundamentals, and allowed to play alllllllmost like 90s defenders could. So there is prince. There was Bobby Jones, Gerald Wilklins, Spider Smith(with his 7'6'' wingspan) and Larry Nance who guarded everyone from 2-5. Nance athletically may have no current better of his build. Closest would be Josh Smith. Nance wasl ike 6'10'' both fast and quick(difference) with hops like few ive ever seen.

There are tough bigmen like Ben Wallace now. No current center is either as athletic or skilled on D as Hakeem and Drob were. Or Ewing for that matter if you use pre injury Ewing. Which bigmen now are better disrupting an offense than Zo was? Or Mutombo?

How many pointguards now are better defenders than Gary Payton was? Or Alvin Robertson? Or Derek Harper? How many swingmen are better defenders than Pippen, Jordan, Rodman(who was a swingman type early and the best 3/4 defender later), Cooper Moncrief, and so on? How many 4s are better defenders than Oakley, Williams, and Mccray? I can think of 2. And Jordan played both.

Is this all D team:

Ben
Bowen
AK
Artest
Kidd
Kobe(they had 6 last year with a tie)

really better than this one from 10 years ago?

Payton
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Drob

?

And its not like Jordan played all old guys who dont play now. Or bad comp period. He played Duncan, Shaq, Dirk, Tmac, AI, Kidd, Pierce, Webber, KG and all them. In fact he played 9 of the 11 people currently on the all D team. And 11 of the 15 all NBA players. Not to mention Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Zo, Ewing, Isiah, Drexler, Malone, Stockton, Barkley, Kareem, Mchale, Nique, Grant Hill, Penny, Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond, Kemp, LJ, Mullin, KJ, Reggie Miller and more.

Jordan isnt one of those "era" guys. Even if someone thought he was the fact that he played against every great player to enter the NBA in the last 22 years aside from Lebron and Wade should kill that idea. And if anyone still wasnt convinced seeing a 38-39 yearold Jordan on bad knees robbed of his athletic ability and playing just 35 minutes put up 25/6/5 in 2002 should have left no doubt.

Michael Jordan in any setting is Michael Jordan. If he played and dominated any and everyone in his path in a prime including some of the greatest defenders and scorers in basketball history I doubt hed crumble in the face of the mighty shutdown D of Tayshaun Prince and Ron Artest or the amazing offensive talents of Wade and Lebron.

Michael Jordan in his prime dominated the 80s and 90s. MJ after his prime was among the best in the 2000s when healthy. You could drop MJ in his prime into the 2255 NBA and watch him put up 32/6/6 vs 7'3'' shooting guards with Dirk range and KG athletic ability.

Hes Michael Jordan. End of story.

[QUOTE]Which bigmen now are better disrupting an offense than Zo was? Or Mutombo?
[/QUOTE]

Hoffa. He'll get you offensive 3 seconds, illegal screens, and offensive fouls all the while going 0 for 4.

Wade's turning into a cocky sonuva*****.

Great great post blaze. Any non point by point rebuttal is an admission that it's on the money.

I wouldnt expect a point by point thing anyway. Even I wouldnt do anything point by point to something that long. Maybe in 03. not now.

Besides the type of fan to think MJ is inferior to current players doesnt care about reason in the first place. I was talking more to other people than to him.

And im not even sure its craziest thing ive seen him say. Hes got a stockpile of crazy comments to rival anyone ive ever known online or not.

Haha, Kblaze just wrecked his ****. Thanks for backing up my main man MJ...

[QUOTE=joewait]Ok, let me explain my point as clearly as possible, since a bunch of people here aren't too intelligent. Never once did I say Dirk or Kobe is a greater player than Bird or Jordan, considering the latter dominated their eras. My point is that when Jordan came in the league, everything he did was new. Barely anyone else could do what he does. [B]Well Kobe has mastered everything Jordan did, AND he has better range[/B].[/QUOTE]

Your argument falls apart at the bolded premise. It's demonstrably false imo; at the very least, it's not demonstrably true, and so you should know better than to make such a claim.

[quote=joewait] Dumars was 6'3'. thats the same height as Billups. Good job[/quote]

Vince Carter circa 2002, Slam magazine: "Joe Dumars is the toughest defender I've ever faced."

[quote=kblaze]Jordan in 02 got hurt around the all star break and because he didnt want to quit on the team played through much of it and only put up 16ppg and played just 28 minutes after the break. But before it....

25/6/5.3 and he was getting better. Working into shape. he month just before he got hurt he averaged a rounded off 27/7/5.[/quote]

Jordan actually averaged 26.2/6.3/5.2 before the all-star break. At nearly age 39. Believe me, I did the math. :D Awesome post, btw.

damn

2013 wade is lot different from 2006 Wade.

2013 wade. slow, weak, disinterested, just going through the motions,

& most importantly. does not talk trash to opponents!

[QUOTE=Younggrease]Dallas is too soft to play physical. And thanks for admitting that Dirk is soft. HE gets rattled by physical play.[/QUOTE]

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