Well He was better last season then 04-05 season so he should have got it. I said Bron Bron but Nash was second
I'm happy:pimp:
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Well He was better last season then 04-05 season so he should have got it. I said Bron Bron but Nash was second
I'm happy:pimp:
[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]Yea. I mean...its SOOO damn easy to play how a point is supposed to play. I mean....EVERYBODY is averaging 11 assists per game. And giving passes reminiscent of Magic's days. And scoring over 50% from 3pt and FG. Yea. He's supposed to do that.
Kid. Guy. Whatever the eff you are. You seriously need to start appraoching things with intelligence. Because I'm starting to doubt you even have a brain. [B]Do you bother to read what you post before ou post it?[/B]
Anyway. Its never going to change. Some people are going to support Nash and his MVP's. Others will not. That will never change. We can sit and argue about arguing over who's career was not made better with Nash and all that hoop-la all we want. You still have the doubters. Like someone said before, Nash won't be appreciated until he is gone from the game and the NBA represents the days when ball movement and crisp passes and "fun" basketball was a thing of the 80s.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I'll answer that.
Answer: Not really.
Sorry about that.
[QUOTE=DieHardBullsFan]Dirk had a storng year but they also had terry, stackhouse, howard, and daniels they were the deepest team in the NBA, nash took a team that was going to suck without those guys....
Hello????? Nash lost 50ppg from Q, Amare, and Joe Johnson last year and they still got to the WCF.....MVP deserving...If you ask me![/QUOTE]
First off, learn how to write. If you are older than 14 I feel sorry for you. Second, like i said, all of those guys you mentioned other than jet missed the roughly the same amount of time kurt thomas did. Guys you lose to Fa/trade dont count anyway. If so then dirk should have won the mvp the year before because he lost nash. That doesnt matter though because its not about who you dont have its about who you do have and the suns STILL had marion, Bell, Barbosa, Kurt thomas, and diaw.
[QUOTE=WildStyle]Not saying they should have won it, because I'm not saying Nash should have won it. But guys who have put up similar or better numbers then Nash's 2 MVP years are Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway, John Stockton, Rod Strickland, Isiah Thomas, [B]Stephon Marbury[/B], Gary Payton. That's off the top of my head.[/QUOTE]
this is why anyone who argues against Nash numbers wise is a bonehead. The point guard on any team can put up numbers if he wants (Mike James???) the question is can that point guard make good players great and average team contenders.
You talk about Marbury in your list, a guy who won 29 less game with the same team Nash had.
STFU
learn a little about the game, and the impact Nash has on everyone on the floor, how he turns five guys into a threat instead of one.
A few points to take into consideration:
- Nash's team had changed a lot (if i recall correctly) and they were missing their key post player for an entire season
- Tim Duncan and Shaq had less than stellar years
- LeBron's team wasn't good enough and I don't think people are ready to give it to him yet. Let him earn his stripes so to speak I guess.
- Kobe's team did not start to flourish until the latter part of the year. Hard to give an MVP for 1/5th of the season.
- Dirk is the only legit candidate that got snubbed, in my opinion. But even then his team had more depth than the Suns. Maybe not enough to where you can say Nash is far and above the better MVP...
It's not like the league had MJ, Bird and Magic all playing and they gave it to Nash instead. Nash is benefitting from 1) timing and lack of serious competition for MVP considerations 2) a couple awesome seasons.
[QUOTE=raiderfan19]First off, learn how to write. If you are older than 14 I feel sorry for you. Second, like i said, all of those guys you mentioned other than jet missed the roughly the same amount of time kurt thomas[/QUOTE]
Learn how to write...obviously you dont know how to write with that sentence.....
And another thing, come stronger than that....your argument is weak
Let me ask you a question: Who had the better team last year, Mavs or Dallas?
[QUOTE=DieHardBullsFan]Learn how to write...obviously you dont know how to write with that sentence.....
And another thing, come stronger than that....your argument is weak
Let me ask you a question: Who had the better team last year, Mavs or Dallas?[/QUOTE]
ummm... yeah.
Do you guys not watch the suns and see what nash does for that team.
[QUOTE=GOBB]21ppg 11.5apg 2.9rpg FG 53% 3pt 52% FT 89%
Whats to say he wont win it again?
Agree?[/QUOTE]
whats to say? unless no one else has an awesome season, he just might
[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]Yea. I mean...its SOOO damn easy to play how a point is supposed to play. I mean....EVERYBODY is averaging 11 assists per game. And giving passes reminiscent of Magic's days. And scoring over 50% from 3pt and FG. Yea. He's supposed to do that.
Kid. Guy. Whatever the eff you are. You seriously need to start appraoching things with intelligence. Because I'm starting to doubt you even have a brain. Do you bother to read what you post before ou post it?
Anyway. Its never going to change. Some people are going to support Nash and his MVP's. Others will not. That will never change. We can sit and argue about arguing over who's career was not made better with Nash and all that hoop-la all we want. You still have the doubters. Like someone said before, Nash won't be appreciated until he is gone from the game and the NBA represents the days when ball movement and crisp passes and "fun" basketball was a thing of the 80s.[/QUOTE]
Well said, i guess it comes down to whether you like the guy or not, you come up with arguments for each side all day. Haters vs non haters
[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]Yea. I mean...its SOOO damn easy to play how a point is supposed to play. I mean....EVERYBODY is averaging 11 assists per game. And giving passes reminiscent of Magic's days. And scoring over 50% from 3pt and FG. Yea. He's supposed to do that.
Kid. Guy. Whatever the eff you are. You seriously need to start appraoching things with intelligence. Because I'm starting to doubt you even have a brain. Do you bother to read what you post before ou post it?
Anyway. Its never going to change. Some people are going to support Nash and his MVP's. Others will not. That will never change. We can sit and argue about arguing over who's career was not made better with Nash and all that hoop-la all we want. You still have the doubters. Like someone said before, Nash won't be appreciated until he is gone from the game and the NBA represents the days when ball movement and crisp passes and "fun" basketball was a thing of the 80s.[/QUOTE]
Well said, i guess it comes down to whether you like the guy or not, you come up with arguments for each side all day. Haters vs non haters
STop the hate! Get a girlfriend.
This has nothing to do with the actual topic but I just wanted to say it cause most people seem to ignore it...
Nash's "skill level" nor athleticism has improved since leaving Dallas.
The only difference in him as a player is he now takes fewer bad shots. I think everyone remembers those weird twirling fadeaways he loved taking. He's shooting far less of those.
He's improved his decision making and its improved his effectiveness.
bump
[QUOTE=GOBB]bump[/QUOTE]
WHy bump this?
Everybody already agreed that Dirk should've been MVP
[QUOTE]He's improved his decision making and its improved his effectiveness.[/QUOTE]
His supporting cast has also improved bigtime...
[QUOTE=Glove_20]WHy bump this?
Everybody already agreed that Dirk should've been MVP[/QUOTE]
No everybody didnt.
[QUOTE=GOBB]No everybody didnt.[/QUOTE]
1. Dream Rocket was the one heavily arguing for Nash, and he even admit it
2. Nobody has had anything to say against the Dirk arguements
[QUOTE=Glove_20]1. Dream Rocket was the one heavily arguing for Nash, and he even admit it
2. Nobody has had anything to say against the Dirk arguements[/QUOTE]
Wrong but I'll let you tell it.
Nash was the mvp and rightrfully so the last 2yrs. Last yr was arguable with Dirk and Bron. There was no "...should have won". Period.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Wrong but I'll let you tell it.
Nash was the mvp and rightrfully so the last 2yrs. Last yr was arguable with Dirk and Bron. There was no "...should have won". Period.[/QUOTE]
Once again, heres my quote that started the Dirk arguements (and finished it off)
[quote]
Nash in 2005
Ok, he deserved MVP
But in 2006?
NO WAY
Dirk should've been MVP...
Why?
Simple
1. His team had a better record
2. He had less talent around him
3. He put numbers as good as or BETTER than Nash last year
Why didn't Dirk win MVP?
[/quote]
[QUOTE]Dirk should've been MVP...
Why?
Simple
1. His team had a better record
2. He had less talent around him
3. He put numbers as good as or BETTER than Nash last year
Why didn't Dirk win MVP?[/QUOTE]
1. by 6 wins without amare Stoudamire
2. Less talent? If you think so but considering Suns lost a starter and changed 2 starters and a 6th man says something.
3. His numbers were not better...you can milk "as good" but not "or BETTER".
Its arguable...nothing definite for Dirk. People still cant get over Steve Nash is an MVP. Only reason they cant accept Dirk not winning last yr and thinkin he all but deserved it which he didnt.
So much for everyone thinks Dirk should've won.
[QUOTE=GOBB]1. by 6 wins without amare Stoudamire
2. Less talent? If you think so but considering Suns lost a starter and changed 2 starters and a 6th man says something.
3. His numbers were not better...you can milk "as good" but not "or BETTER".
Its arguable...nothing definite for Dirk. People still cant get over Steve Nash is an MVP. Only reason they cant accept Dirk not winning last yr and thinkin he all but deserved it which he didnt.
So much for everyone thinks Dirk should've won.[/QUOTE]
Even WITHOUT Amare...The Suns had more talent, yet the Mavs won more...
Marion/Bell/Diaw/Kurt Thomas/Barbosa
are better than
Terry/Howard/Dampier...
Are you seriously going to deny the Nash had a better supporting cast?
[QUOTE=Glove_20]Even WITHOUT Amare...The Suns had more talent, yet the Mavs won more...
Marion/Bell/Diaw/Kurt Thomas/Barbosa
are better than
Terry/Howard/Dampier...
Are you seriously going to deny the Nash had a better supporting cast?[/QUOTE]
It was even.
[QUOTE=GOBB]It was even.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Even if it was even, Dallas still got more wins...Why Nash again?
Marion/Diaw >>>>>> Terry/Howard
Marion was getting MVP votes, was an All-Star, and Terry or Howard don't come close to that
Then Bell/Kurt Thomas/Barbosa >>>>> ANYONE ELSE...Name some players
[QUOTE=GOBB]It was even.[/QUOTE]
:hammerhead:
[QUOTE=Glove_20]:roll:
Even if it was even, Dallas still got more wins...Why Nash again?
Marion/Diaw >>>>>> Terry/Howard
Marion was getting MVP votes, was an All-Star, and Terry or Howard don't come close to that
Then Bell/Kurt Thomas/Barbosa >>>>> ANYONE ELSE...Name some players[/QUOTE]
:wtf: is all this ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>" crap you do? Retarded, cut it out.
Dallas got 6 more wins. :confusedshrug:
Its arguable...Nash has just as much a case as Dirk did. Sorry you cant see it that way. You presented no argument that is so sound you cant counter and it all but screams "Dirk should have won". It was close.
[QUOTE=GOBB]:wtf: is all this ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>" crap you do? Retarded, cut it out.
Dallas got 6 more wins. :confusedshrug:
Its arguable...Nash has just as much a case as Dirk did. Sorry you cant see it that way. You presented no argument that is so sound you cant counter and it all but screams "Dirk should have won". It was close.[/QUOTE]
Dirk got more wins with a weaker supporting cast
That
[quote]Originally Posted by Glove_20
Even if it was even, Dallas still got more wins...Why Nash again?
Marion/Diaw >>>>>> Terry/Howard
Marion was getting MVP votes, was an All-Star, and Terry or Howard don't come close to that
Then Bell/Kurt Thomas/Barbosa >>>>> ANYONE ELSE...Name some players[/quote]
Stackouse/Barbosa is basically a wash, especially last year. Daniels was decent off the bench. Kurt Thomas......missed 30 games. Devin Harris was a big reason Dallas beat SA last year, not a great player as of yet but very solid role player. Fact is both supporting casts had several good ROLE players, but neither just sh*tted on eachother. And Marion/Diaw weren't >>>>>>> Terry/Howard. It's close, probably Suns have the slight advantage. Terry and Howard were excellent last year, not to mention both generate their own offense better than either Sun.
Both guys had great stat seasons. How was Nash's (led the league in assists) and scored a bunch too much worse than Dirk (also shot better)???
People just wanna hate on Steve Nash for some reason. Probably cause he looks like he'd suck. I'd have picked him over Dirk, you could argue the other way.......but it was no landslide unless you're delusional.
Wel hope people dont get too upset because looks like he on his way to a 3rd lol...Yao is havin a career season ..but mo T-Mac
[QUOTE=dgbigballer9329]Stackouse/Barbosa is basically a wash, especially last year. Daniels was decent off the bench. Kurt Thomas......missed 30 games. Devin Harris was a big reason Dallas beat SA last year, not a great player as of yet but very solid role player. Fact is both supporting casts had several good ROLE players, but neither just sh*tted on eachother. And Marion/Diaw weren't >>>>>>> Terry/Howard. It's close, probably Suns have the slight advantage. Terry and Howard were excellent last year, not to mention both generate their own offense better than either Sun.
Both guys had great stat seasons. How was Nash's (led the league in assists) and scored a bunch too much worse than Dirk (also shot better)???
People just wanna hate on Steve Nash for some reason. Probably cause he looks like he'd suck. I'd have picked him over Dirk, you could argue the other way.......but it was no landslide unless you're delusional.[/QUOTE]
Of course there was no landslide
So if there was no landslide then why are you so adamant that it was robbery???
And Marion's a very good player, but I'd say Terry and Howard are both better than Diaw. Diaw may be more versatile but Howard's more versatile than Marion too. Versatile doesn't equal better.
Dirk or LeBron should've won it last season. Nonetheless, this season I would not be surprised if Nash gets it. My dude is averaging Kevin Johnson-esque numbers.
And Dirk was averaging Chris Webber numbers.
Neither should've won MVP based solely on stats.
analysts were calling this the deepest team in the league wat are you talking about
[QUOTE=dgbigballer9329]So if there was no landslide then why are you so adamant that it was robbery???.[/QUOTE]
:confusedshrug: good question
21ppg 11.5apg 2.9rpg FG 53% 3pt 52% FT 89%
When is this? This Year?
Anyway he did not deserve his first 2 MVP's
Last year Lebron 307/7 is to good not to win a MVP, and Kobe carrying a team on no bodys leading the league in scoring.
And the first year AI should have won it not Nash. AI 31/7 that year or w/e it was something like that was amazing. That year Nash got 3 more assists per game then AI, but scored only half the points yes HALF the points AI scored and only getting 3 assists more a game then AI. And AI's team even made the playoffs yet he finishes 4th behind Nash, and Shaq who just came to turn a team around. And Dirk who was nice, but still AI was having a better year.
I used to doubt Nash but at this point hes the real deal and one of the best players right now. His offense is underated, and yeah people know hes good offensively but hes REALLY good most of the time. When i watch the Suns i keep thinking hes going to miss or theres something ****ed up going on where they should be able to trap his lil ass, but hes constantly proving himself every time i watch. I think Nash is one of the biggest difference makers in the NBA :pimp:
bump
Shaq in both 05 and 06. Its a travesty that Shaq only has 1 MVP while having the most dominant peak of all-time. Should have at least 4-5.
Nash can only dream of this
[IMG]https://thatmanal.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/oneal-riley-and-dwyane-wade.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/06/01/shaquilleonealx-large.jpg[/IMG]
I'm not mad nine years later either.
Historic bump, damn ISH. You guys sure do like to dig.