Joakim Noah fined $50K for using anti-gay slur from bench during Heat-Bulls Game 3

Next time say Punk/Asshole/*****/douche etc?

[QUOTE=adri41]My first thought was that they can't go backwards after Kobe was fined $100,000...but Kobe makes a lot more money. Do you think fines should be assessed as a standard amount, or as a percentage of the players salary?[/QUOTE]
Calling the official a fa**ot is different from doing the same to a fan. It does not help that Kobe's language was heard by millions of viewers.

[QUOTE=YAWN]hope Kobe gets a $50,000 refund. :lol

Was Kobe's game on ABC? I can't remember..[/QUOTE]

TNT I think

[COLOR=Teal][B]I wonder had Cuban said that what his fine would've been.
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[QUOTE=Soothing Layup]Kobe makes 20+ million a year. noah only gots 20 million.[/QUOTE]

fines are not based on salary, only suspensions (I know that's not what you meant)

and Noah just got a 50 or 60 million dollar extension :lol

But there shouldn't be varying degrees of penalties for the same offense, what is this, the NFL?

I think it's gay

I think what he did was pretty manly, he didn't stand up and make a scene, he just politley told that fa gg ot to **** off, I see nothing wrong with that.

I thought Noah was gay :milton

[QUOTE=Soothing Layup]I think what he did was pretty manly, he didn't stand up and make a scene, he just politley told that fa gg ot to **** off, I see nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE]
:lol Calling another man a '***' is extremely unmanly

[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]:lol Calling another man a '***' is extremely unmanly[/QUOTE]

not if he is being a f a g...

Noah's fine is actually worse. It's 1.6% of his salary. Kobe's fine was only 0.4 of his.

[QUOTE=ace23]Calling the official a fa**ot is different from doing the same to a fan. It does not help that Kobe's language was heard by millions of viewers.[/QUOTE]

No we didnt. We just read his lips.

[QUOTE=sbw19][COLOR=Teal][B]I wonder had Cuban said that what his fine would've been.
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$5 Million.

Stern then would've banned him from courtside for 3 seasons.

I think if you charge one guy 100k, you have to charge 100k to everyone who does the same thing. I dont care about the difference in pay they receive. I dont pay less for a traffic violation over a high paid lawyer. You cant change every fine based on their pay scale

I think that's gay.

Stern protects refs.

Kobe said fu[COLOR="Black"]c[/COLOR]king f[COLOR="Black"]a[/COLOR]ggot to the refs
while
Noah said fu[COLOR="Black"]c[/COLOR]k you f[COLOR="Black"]ag[/COLOR]got to the fan.

[QUOTE=Zach Morris]I have [I]no[/I] problem with the cameras capturing the moments of these athletes
when they spew their hate. Even if the cameraman zoomed in on Noah
intentionally, he didn't force Noah to say what he did. Show the viewers what
the kind of people they look up to. I'm all for it. You can't blame a camera
crew/man/production team for exposing some of these bigots.
Yes, Noah was upset, but that doesn't excuse what he said.

Noah will soon learn or be reminded of the oxymoron that his right to freedom of speech, comes with a price. Lol. Get 'em, Stern. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
How does using *** make you a bigot? I have seen gay people call someone else Gay/***. Most people use that word for people being stupid or doing something dump. Noah had no clue the guy was gay or not

[QUOTE]Noah was asked what he thought of Stern's decision.

"Well, I learned my lesson. I'll never say the word ******* anymore. No sirree, ******* is gone from my vocubulary. I used to say ******* this and ******* that. *******, *******, *******......But I realize now that saying ******* is wrong. As a matter of fact, I plan on doing a "******* Tour", if you will, with kids throughout the country to discuss the harm of using ******* in daily language. I mean, ******* isn't just wrong against gays, but saying ******* at other times is bad too. Well, I learned my lesson. My language will now be ******* free.

Especially since the HEB said it was wrong."[/QUOTE]


I think Noah is making great progress.

They should ask KG what he says and say that instead. :oldlol: Seeing that the cameras zoom in and slo-mo on the dude letting out all the expletives all game and he's never received a fine for that.

By the way, not that im defending it but the NBA's explanation for why Noah's fine was half of what Kobe's was was that not only was it a slur but they said he "verbally abused an official."

[QUOTE=ihatetimthomas]I think if you charge one guy 100k, you have to charge 100k to everyone who does the same thing. I dont care about the difference in pay they receive. I dont pay less for a traffic violation over a high paid lawyer. You cant change every fine based on their pay scale[/QUOTE]


Has nothing to do with salaries.

- Kobe said it to an official, you can't even say things like "shut up" to a ref, but you can to a fan.

- Noah was instigated into responding, Kobe was not.

- Noah apologized after the game, Kobe took 3 days to apologize.

Kobe made about 8 times as much money as Noah this year, so Noah getting fined half as much was roughly equal to getting fined 4x as much as Kobe. When you look at the percentage of his salary that it cost. I don't think that's an unfair fine. Circumstances were also different.

[quote=Rowe][COLOR=Gray][B]$5 Million.

Stern then would've banned him from courtside for 3 seasons.[/B][/COLOR] [/quote]

[COLOR=Teal][B]I still remember that absurd $500k fine, wouldn't surprise me if the fine exceeded that in this case lol.


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[QUOTE=ace23]Calling the official a fa**ot is different from doing the same to a fan. It does not help that Kobe's language was heard by millions of viewers.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Directing it at a fan is far worse from a PR standpoint. Oh well, another dart throw decision by the NBA.

[QUOTE=lilbeastnani]By the way, not that im defending it but the NBA's explanation for why Noah's fine was half of what Kobe's was was that not only was it a slur but they said he "verbally abused an official."[/QUOTE]

refs > fans :lol

Wonder what would of happened to JO if he punched a ref..

[QUOTE=YAWN]refs > fans :lol

Wonder what would of happened to JO if he punched a ref..[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: He'd probably get a 5 year ban.

[QUOTE=SinJackal]Kobe made about 8 times as much money as Noah this year, so Noah getting fined half as much was roughly equal to getting fined 4x as much as Kobe. When you look at the percentage of his salary that it cost. I don't think that's an unfair fine. Circumstances were also different.[/QUOTE]
True, but they didn't base the size of the fine on each players salary. It would be pretty absurd if they did.

Posters this dumb??
Kobe said it to the REF, Noah to the crowd.
How is it different? The ref is the authority. And the NBA rules makes this clear.

[QUOTE=G-train]Posters this dumb??
Kobe said it to the REF, Noah to the crowd.
How is it different? The ref is the authority. And the NBA rules makes this clear.[/QUOTE]

Kobe didnt even say it to the ref. He was talking about the ref. There's a big difference here. Its not like he got up in the refs face and called him a f.a.g.
He was just sitting on the bench when he said that and the ref himself didnt even hear what Kobe said.

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]Kobe didnt even say it to the ref. He was talking about the ref. There's a big difference here. Its not like he got up in the refs face and called him a f.a.g.
He was just sitting on the bench when he said that and the ref himself didnt even hear what Kobe said.[/QUOTE]
Watch the video. He clearly addressed the ref and directed the slur toward him.

They should have let Noah choose $50,000 or the scissors.

[QUOTE=HEAT111]They should have let Noah choose $50,000 or the scissors.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=ace23]Watch the video. He clearly addressed the ref and directed the slur toward him.[/QUOTE]

No i believe you're the one that should watch the video. He clearly turned his head to the side while he was sitting on the bench and wasnt even talking with the ref. Like i said the ref didnt even hear him.

check the vid: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPYa-kBt8Jw[/url]

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]No i believe you're the one that should watch the video. He clearly turned his head to the side while he was sitting on the bench and wasnt even talking with the ref. Like i said the ref didnt even hear him.

check the vid: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPYa-kBt8Jw[/url][/QUOTE]
If you address the ref before talking, you're talking to the ref as far as I'm (and Stern is) concerened.

Wow. Shouldn't it be the exact opposite? Kobe attacked someone within the NBA, while Noah attacked a paying customer. :oldlol:

I don't really care that Kobe or Noah said this. The reason I think they deserve the fine is because they did this at work with millions watching.

I don't get to call someone that at work or I get fired. They should be penalized. They also signed a contract that I'm sure had terms about not damaging the image of the league. What they did probably cost the league some money.

[quote=PistonsFan#21]Kobe didnt even say it to the ref. He was talking about the ref. There's a big difference here. Its not like he got up in the refs face and called him a f.a.g.
He was just sitting on the bench when he said that and the ref himself didnt even hear what Kobe said.[/quote]

So are you saying he didn't call the ref a f#$#ing [EMAIL="f@%%ott"]f@%%ott[/EMAIL]?
ok...
:facepalm

FFS this ain't Gladiator. This isn't Ancient Rome and the Basketball Court isn't the gladitorial arena where priosners of war get eaten by lions and battle it until the death. This is 2011. If a fans says some shit to a player, they should expect to get shit back and not act butthurt about it. What a farce this is. SMH
:facepalm

[QUOTE=G-train]So are you saying he didn't call the ref a f#$#ing [EMAIL="f@%%ott"]f@%%ott[/EMAIL]?
ok...
:facepalm[/QUOTE]

:facepalm Kobe was talking about the ref when he said it, sure. But he didnt call him a f*gget while they were having a conversation. Its like when you're with a friend and you see a guy pass by and you tell your friend ''I hate that guy, he's a f*ckin asshole''. Its not the same as if you talk to the guy passing by and tell him ''Hey you, you're a f*cking asshole. I hate you! ''

You see the difference?

[QUOTE=RoseCity07]I don't really care that Kobe or Noah said this. The reason I think they deserve the fine is because they did this at work with millions watching.

I don't get to call someone that at work or I get fired. They should be penalized. They also signed a contract that I'm sure had terms about not damaging the image of the league. What they did probably cost the league some money.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but here's the kicker: If I called a fellow employee that word, I'd probably be talked to and potentially fired. If I called a customer that... shit. But in the NBA, it's the exact opposite.