Great NBA basketball player footwork videos

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]I actually have a patented footwork move(s) that I do that I've never seen done by anyone (I invented it on the fly one game and then realized how well it worked and just perfected it). I've described it on the forum before, but it's hard to visualize. The options out of the fake also depend on how the defender's weight is shifted on the initial move(s). I've had dozens of people howling on the sidelines when I've busted that one out as the defender is turned the completely wrong way and looking for me in a place I'm not while I'm driving in for a layup. :oldlol:

PS - yeah, it's the fact that the feet don't come up together that make it a travel. He definitely lifts his left foot first, which you can't do.[/QUOTE]
Can you do the reverse pivot crossover pull through while staying in place ... the one Jordan did on Starks when he went flying?

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]People, that Kobe move is CLEARLY a travel. I've been playing ball my whole life. Once you declare a pivot foot (in this case his left foot), you must make sure that the pivot foot leaves the ground last or at the same time as the other foot - never first. If it does, that counts as a step, which, once you've stopped and established a pivot foot, you can't do.[/QUOTE]

Looked like both feet were in the air at the same time, but its close. I respect your opinion.

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Can you do the reverse pivot crossover pull through while staying in place ... the one Jordan did on Starks when he went flying?[/QUOTE]

I'll need more elaboration or a video of this move. Having a hard time visualizing it.

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]I'll need more elaboration or a video of this move. Having a hard time visualizing it.[/QUOTE]
You posted it in a GIF form earlier in this thread ... albeit really shitty quality.

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]People, that Kobe move is CLEARLY a travel. I've been playing ball my whole life. Once you declare a pivot foot (in this case his left foot), you must make sure that the pivot foot leaves the ground last or at the same time as the other foot - never first. If it does, that counts as a step, which, once you've stopped and established a pivot foot, you can't do.[/QUOTE]

I was under the impression that it isnt a travel under the foot comes back down. That is what the rule book says and how I was taught.

edit: that is not a travel. It is the same move that is very prevalent in the women's game. It is only a travel if the pivot comes back down to the ground.

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]You posted it in a GIF form earlier in this thread ... albeit really shitty quality.[/QUOTE]

Oh, yeah, I can do that. Can't elongate to the same extent MJ did since I can't palm the ball, but I've used that to create space before. It's best if you do that to get some space and then give a quick jab step towards the same direction you just faked in and then drive the other way. It's almost guaranteed that the defender bites on the jab step or freezes. You can also just explode in the same direction when the defender is recovering from the initial move (I do this a lot) since you have an automatic advantage.

Epic thread! ISH redeeming itself. I have to say, Kobe's footwork is the best of this era in the 2 guard position. Wade is really up there too though.

Someone make a gif of Melo's spin move on LeBron last season.

EDIT: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD6eqP_y9kw&feature=player_detailpage#t=297s[/url]

Lol the kobe gif is not a travel.....



im pretty sure you can lift your pivot foot but it can't hit the floor again.

[QUOTE=catch24]Looked like both feet were in the air at the same time, but its close. I respect your opinion.[/QUOTE]

you're such an hypocrite. You were the same guy calling me out on not knowing the rules and not playing basketball when i told you its a travel.

[QUOTE=N0Skillz]Lol the kobe gif is not a travel.....



im pretty sure you can lift your pivot foot but it can't hit the floor again.[/QUOTE]

yeah, that is the rule. I lot of people usually get confused though. It sometimes even called incorrectly at lower levels of ball(I think that is why more players don't use it in the NBA, although it is normal for women's ball).

[QUOTE=N0Skillz]Lol the kobe gif is not a travel.....



[B]im pretty sure you can lift your pivot foot but it can't hit the floor again[/B].[/QUOTE]

you can lift it if you jump with both feet at the same time or if your pivot foot is the last foot leaving the ground. You can't however lift up your pivot foot while you're other foot is still on the ground. I thought it was basic knowledge to everyone...

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]you're such an hypocrite. You were the same guy calling me out on not knowing the rules and not playing basketball when i told you its a travel.[/QUOTE]
It's a really close call. Refs let that one slide sometimes. And Kobe pulls it off in a convincing way without shuffling his feet like say LeBron that makes it look legit.

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]It's a really close call. Refs let that one slide sometimes. And Kobe pulls it off in a convincing way without shuffling his feet like say LeBron that makes it look legit.[/QUOTE]

Yea im not denying that. This call is rarely made because its hard to catch unless you really pay attention and most of the time Kobe pulls out that move without traveling like in his 61pts game against the Knicks.

This one however was a travel but it wasnt anything blatant

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]Yea im not denying that. This call is rarely made because its hard to catch unless you really pay attention and most of the time Kobe pulls out that move without traveling like in his 61pts game against the Knicks.

This one however was a travel but it wasnt anything blatant[/QUOTE]

you know it's not a travel until that foot(pivot) comes down.

[QUOTE]See Section 68 Rule 4 of the NCAA rules:

"Art. 4. After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot: a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal; "[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]Yea im not denying that. This call is rarely made because its hard to catch unless you really pay attention and most of the time Kobe pulls out that move without traveling like in his 61pts game against the Knicks.

This one however was a travel but it wasnt anything blatant[/QUOTE]
Absolutely, bro

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]you know it's not a travel until that foot(pivot) comes down.[/QUOTE]


The NBA rule book also says that you can't switch pivot foot...

At the moment he lifts his pivot foot while the other foot is still on the ground, the foot that is still touching the ground becomes his pivot foot which results in a travel call

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]The NBA rule book also says that you can't switch pivot foot...

At the moment he lifts his pivot foot while the other foot is still on the ground, the foot that is still touching the ground becomes his pivot foot which results in a travel call[/QUOTE]

the pivot foot was never "switched." The pivot was already established and does not turn into a travel until it hits the floor. That is the rule. It has nothing to do with the other foot touching the ground.

[QUOTE]g. If a player, with the ball in his possession,[B] raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. [/B]If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.[/QUOTE]

here is the part of the nba rule book that says it.

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]The NBA rule book also says that you can't switch pivot foot...

At the moment he lifts his pivot foot while the other foot is still on the ground, the foot that is still touching the ground becomes his pivot foot which results in a travel call[/QUOTE]

It's amazing that people are actually arguing this. At least Samurai's contention was that both feet left the floor at the same time, but some of these dudes actually think that the pivot foot can leave the floor first.

lmao @ IGOTGAME. Learn how to play the game. :oldlol: The rule you posted is not an exhaustive explanation of every circumstance that constitutes a travel. It's a rule for ONE situation. There are many others.

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]It's amazing that people are actually arguing this. At least Samurai's contention was that both feet left the floor at the same time, but some of these dudes actually think that the pivot foot can leave the floor first.[/QUOTE]

Well, it is the truth. Avy bet on it?

Actually my tuition dollars were paid for based on my ability to perform moves exactly like that one. I think I know how to play the game(especially the post).

So, Month long avy bet?

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]
Actually my tuition dollars were paid for based on my ability to perform moves exactly like that one.[/QUOTE]
Where @?

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]the pivot foot was never "switched." The pivot was already established and does not turn into a travel until it hits the floor. That is the rule. It has nothing to do with the other foot touching the ground.



here is the part of the nba rule book that says it.[/QUOTE]


By your logic Kobe could have stayed on his right leg (like in the picture below) without jumping but as long as his pivot foot (left foot) was not touching or coming back to the ground it wouldnt be a travel

[IMG]http://www.tianpu-qigong.com/Images/shanghaitaichi.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]By your logic Kobe could have stayed on his right leg (like in the picture below) without jumping but as long as his pivot foot (left foot) was not touching or coming back to the ground it wouldnt be a travel

[IMG]http://www.tianpu-qigong.com/Images/shanghaitaichi.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

technically you can until the ball becomes dead for some other reason. It is a common misconception among people but it is the rule. I have been to tons of camps and gone through tons of drills and talked to both refs and coaches about it. I used to take my post game very seriously.

I have never seen it done, but again that is the rule.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME][B]technically you can [/B]until the ball becomes dead for some other reason. It is a common misconception among people but it is the rule. I have been to tons of camps and gone through tons of drills and talked to both refs and coaches about it. I used to take my post game very seriously.

I have never seen it done, but again that is the rule.[/QUOTE]

:lol dude are you serious? this is the same as switching your pivot foot. How can your pivot foot be in the air while you are standing straight on your non-pivot foot? just think about it

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]you're such an hypocrite. You were the same guy calling me out on not knowing the rules and not playing basketball when i told you its a travel.[/QUOTE]

I didn't call him out because I actually respect his opinion. I had a difficult time understanding what you were implying. Oldschoolbball actually knows what he's talking about, and worded what you might have been trying to say better.

Regardless, it's close, and I still don't think it's a travel. In real game-time it looks as though he got both feet off, just like in the gif.

Loki is quick to point out that Kobe's was a travel, but I bet he won't admit that this Jordan one (where he clearly slides/moves/lifts his pivot foot) is one. :lol

[IMG]http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2709719/jordan1-o.gif[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm171/Kyle075/kobecrosspump4pf.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Doranku]Loki is quick to point out that Kobe's was a travel, but I bet he won't admit that this Jordan one (where he clearly slides/moves/lifts his pivot foot) is one. :lol

[IMG]http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2709719/jordan1-o.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
You would have a point if his left foot was the pivot foot.

It's his right foot that is the pivot foot.

It does move a tad, but like I said ... the ability to notice these in real time is so slim. That's why I don't think the Kobe move is a blatant travel, either.

When he takes those hop steps while dribbling, while backing someone down ... no pivot foot has been established until he plants on one and rotates.

:oldlol:

This is GOAT footwork....

[IMG]http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/BigM211/CrabDribble.gif[/IMG]

finally someone understands the rule:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6l7kKY48FM&feature=related[/url]

it is a step through and is most commmonly used in the women's game. I used to think it was weird too. For ball(in high school and college) I always watched the girls games. It bothered me so I would talk to the refs, I would talk to people at five star and eastern invitational and at college. This is the rule, it is just misapplied sometimes on the lower level. It looks weird but it is not a travel. WNBA players do it all the time. Some college guys do it too. In the NBA I remember Steve Smith doing it, Kobe and others. Obviously not like in the movie but after a live dribble.

Wish people would stop posting LeBron clips in this thread. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]You would have a point if his left foot was the pivot foot.

It's his right foot that is the pivot foot.

It does move a tad, but like I said ... the ability to notice these in real time is so slim. That's why I don't think the Kobe move is a blatant travel, either.

When he takes those hop steps while dribbling, while backing someone down ... no pivot foot has been established until he plants on one and rotates.

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

For sure it would be really hard to tell real time, but Loki is over there going, "It's CLEARLY a travel!!!" and what not.

If you look at his pivot foot, when he establishes it, it's outside of the paint/on the edge. When he takes off for the lay up, it's slid/moved to clearly inside the paint on the white stripe.

[QUOTE=catch24]Thank you Phong. As I said, not a travel.[/QUOTE]

its a travel he picks up his pivot foot before he jumps, aka takes another step after his pivot is established

THE PIVOT FOOT CANNOT LEAVE THE FLOOR FIRST, PEOPLE. Think about it this way: imagine a player declares his left foot his pivot, then pivots around for a few seconds looking to pass it off as the defender hounds him, and then takes a step with his right foot, picks up his left foot, then jumps off his right foot to pass it off. Clearly a travel, yet it's exactly what happened in the Kobe clip. The fact that the pivot foot leaves the ground first and the non-pivot foot is on the ground constitutes an extra step, and you're not allowed "2 steps" unless you're in a layup motion off a drive, not once you've established a stationary pivot foot.

IGOTGAME, I'm not betting anything, but if you show that to any college coach they'll tell you it's a travel.

Doranku, yes, MJ did slide his pivot foot and hence it's a travel. Very hard to tell in real time just like Kobe's is, but a travel nonetheless. I only brought up Kobe's because there was a multi-page debate about it. Kobe's is also more easily noticeable than MJ's was. One is a slight slide of the pivot foot and the other is an extra step and the pivot foot actually coming off the ground first.

LOL. Kobe doing that stuff at [B]19[/B]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxy7np0dH5Q[/url]

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Doranku, yes, MJ did slide his pivot foot and hence it's a travel. Very hard to tell in real time just like Kobe's is, but a travel nonetheless. I only brought up Kobe's because there was a multi-page debate about it. Kobe's is also more easily noticeable than MJ's was. One is a slight slide of the pivot foot and the other is an extra step and the pivot foot actually coming off the ground first.[/QUOTE]

:cheers:

Personally, I always thought Kobe's was a pretty obvious travel, but the way people were arguing it on here made me question my stance a little bit. I was always under the impression that what you're saying is correct, that your pivot foot can't be the first foot to come off the floor.

Interesting that so many people are arguing the counter claim, though.

[QUOTE]g. If a player, with the ball in his possession, [B]raises his pivot foot off the floor[/B], he must pass or shoot [B]before his pivot foot returns to the floor[/B]. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball. [/QUOTE]


Got this from another site


[QUOTE]. You can spin around or "pivot" on that anchored part of your foot, but you can't slide or lift this foot [B]unless you are passing or shooting.[/B]
[/QUOTE]

Other site

[QUOTE]The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court, before the ball is released on a [B]pass or try for goal[/B];[/QUOTE]

Kobe was shooting


i was right = D


its just a misconception people have about basketball. Your other foot does not become a pivot foot because you lifted your pivot foot, your pivot foot does not change.

No love for TMAC or STEVE NASH????????? :wtf:

Beautiful footwork from Kobe at the 3:25 mark:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvh9kEwekY8&feature=related[/url]

[QUOTE=Fatal9]if you're gonna post don't make it more than one gif at a time, do not want the page to take forever to load because of a billion gifs. basically a footwork appreciation thread.

let me start off with the master:

[IMG]http://s3.tinypic.com/1zey54x_th.jpg[/IMG]

practiced this move all last summer with mild success.[/QUOTE]

LOL that's one of my go-to moves in the paint.

used to do this all the time and got called travel half the time.

the pivot has to leave the ground at the same time as the other foot, but sometimes u just lean up and finish with a half step up first. and even if both leave at the same time, the idiots still often whine its a travel because you left them in the dust.

[QUOTE=eliteballer]LOL. Kobe doing that stuff at [B]19[/B]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxy7np0dH5Q[/url][/QUOTE]

:roll: @ the announcer after Kobe's put-back slam in OT.