U guys r rly dumb thinking NBA players cant hit uncontested jumpshots... in the playground.
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U guys r rly dumb thinking NBA players cant hit uncontested jumpshots... in the playground.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/tjhunt1976#p/search/1/v2jFb6azi7I[/url]
Bird goes around Pippen at 31:05.
Bird hits turnaround fade on Pippen at 32:45.
Bird sticks 3-pointer in Pippen's grill at 1:14.
ALL DAY !! :no:
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Its brad sellers you moron. He's a friggn stiff just a taller one how long did he stay in the league? I don't believe your centering your argument around brad sellers.
And once again you show a clip of bird having to be chased through a screen. Screens and curls aren't isos[/QUOTE]
2 shots over Brad Sellers and the last one over Scottie Pippen in the video...WATCH IT AGAIN SON, and LISTEN!!!
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]They are both legends, the competitive will be even. Even the best players have lost 1-on-1 battles to much lesser competition, not that Pippen is way less than Bird. Even if they played 5 on 5 and had to guard each other I wouldn't know who to choose.[/QUOTE]
I remember during the 00 finals, reggie miller was being interviewed and someone asked about him playing kobe bryant one on one a few years prior. Kobe beat miller. Miller admitted it. And this was a young kobe bryant. Vs miller who was a great jump shooter like bird. But his defense leaves something to be desired. And that's probably what was the difference.
Its just too hard to overcome iso 1 on 1 when one man can defend and score while the other can just score. This would be the scenario in a pippen/bird matchup. And no amount of clips showing bird shooting over brad sellers would change that.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]I said, I'm not sure bird could beat green. Don't you understand birds gonna have to play defense too.
Id give an edge to bird cuz I don't think green is much of a dribbler. And has no jumshot. He'd back off him and dare him to shoot and stay on his right hand.[/QUOTE]
You expose yourself with every post kid, KEEP IT COMING! :D
[QUOTE=bwink23]2 shots over Brad Sellers and the last one over Scottie Pippen in the video...WATCH IT AGAIN SON, and LISTEN!!![/QUOTE]
I watched it. Pippen had to chase Bird through a screen. And I don't give a shit about what he (bird) did vs brad sellers.
[QUOTE=dude77]no smart guy .. it's the exact opposite :facepalm .. his damn color is precisely why the great larry bird is being dogged in this thread .. because he's white .. therefore he must be slow and inferior :facepalm
this thread is a classic case of the 'slow white man mentality syndrome' .. 'aw he's white, he must be slow and clumsy footed, he can't do it' .. you make up any scenario involving bird and a black player and they will automatically choose the black player ..
classic example .. the poster 97 bulls saying gerald green would beat up on larry bird .. why do you think he said that ? :hammerhead:
.. what they're too stupid to see is that bird played people who were mostly all more athletic than him and he still dominated them .. one on one too .. pippen wouldn't have it so easy 'blowing by' bird .. his quickness is mistakenly being underestimated in this thread[/QUOTE]
Naw dude, Bird gets overrated because he's white, don't get me wrong, he's an all time great but he is not better than Jordan, Magic, Wilt or KAJ for example.
Bird won 3 titles with that Celtics team, should've won more, Magic spanked Bird 2 out of 3 times...Larry is a legend but he's not the greatest, stop overrating him.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]I watched it. Pippen had to chase Bird through a screen. And I don't give a shit about what he (bird) did vs brad sellers.[/QUOTE]
LOL!!! are you DENYING that Bird hit a turn around over Pippen in the post?? He wasn't chasing Bird when Bird had him pinned for the inevitable 2 points...you are TOO FUNNY dude seriously.
[QUOTE=TheMan][B]Naw dude, Bird gets overrated because he's white[/B], don't get me wrong, he's an all time great but he is not better than Jordan, Magic, Wilt or KAJ for example.
Bird won 3 titles with that Celtics team, should've won more, Magic spanked Bird 2 out of 3 times...Larry is a legend but he's not the greatest, [B]stop overrating him[/B].[/QUOTE]
funny you say that because you could argue a lot of black players get overrated because they're black .. :rolleyes:
as for overrating him .. who's overrating him ? he's one of the GOAT .. how the fk do you 'overrate' that ? that's like saying 'stop overrating wilt or magic or .. ' .. :hammerhead: the fact that you utter such a dumbass comment about overrating him shows your bias against him
[QUOTE=dude77]funny you say that because you could argue a lot of black players get overrated because they're black .. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Like who?
The greatest NBA players are mostly black, you don't need to overrate black players since they cornered the market on GOAT players.
[QUOTE=TheMan]Naw dude, Bird gets overrated because he's white, don't get me wrong, he's an all time great but he is not better than Jordan, Magic, Wilt or KAJ for example.
Bird won 3 titles with that Celtics team, should've won more, Magic spanked Bird 2 out of 3 times...Larry is a legend but he's not the greatest, stop overrating him.[/QUOTE]
Magic Johnson quote on Larry Bird..."Alot of black guys ask me, could Larry Bird really play...i said Man, Larry Bird was so good it's frightening."
Doesn't sound overrated to me!
[QUOTE=TheMan]Like who?
The greatest NBA players are mostly black, you don't need to overrate black players since they cornered the market on GOAT players.[/QUOTE]
plenty of black players who aren't as good as they're made out to be .. but they're PROPPED UP because they're black .. don't be stupid now
[QUOTE=bwink23]LOL!!! are you DENYING that Bird hit a turn around over Pippen in the post?? He wasn't chasing Bird when Bird had him pinned for the inevitable 2 points...you are TOO FUNNY dude seriously.[/QUOTE]
Not before he came through a pick and screen. Youve shown almost an hours worth of clips showing bird vs a young bulls team. And most of his scores are off of picks and screens. Only three times did I see bird post anyone up. And most of his scores were on brad sellers.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Not before he came through a pick and screen. Youve shown almost an hours worth of clips showing bird vs a young bulls team. And most of his scores are off of picks and screens. Only three times did I see bird post anyone up. And most of his scores were on brad sellers.[/QUOTE]
You idiot...you aren't watching closely dude. I'll let the vids speak for themselves...:pimp:
[QUOTE=dude77]plenty of black players who aren't as good as they're made out to be .. but they're PROPPED UP because they're black .. don't be stupid now[/QUOTE]
Oh come off it. If a black guy stinks, he stinks. Look at kwame brown, michael olowankandi, harold "baby jordan" miner. The list goes on and on.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Not before he came through a pick and screen. [B]Youve shown almost an hours worth of clips showing bird vs a young bulls team[/B]. And most of his scores are off of picks and screens. Only three times did I see bird post anyone up. And most of his scores were on brad sellers.[/QUOTE]
DUH dim wit....Bird was declining as well, dealing with age and injury...he made a young Pippen (23 years old) carry his bags....:rockon:
A lot of fail in this thread. Not surprised considering half the people in this thread were born in the 90's. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Oh come off it. If a black guy stinks, he stinks. Look at kwame brown, michael olowankandi, harold "baby jordan" miner. The list goes on and on.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19KVfK1xSdo[/url]
at 3:50, Scottie says he's always welcome to take a back seat to Larry Bird, LOL....homer :rockon:
[QUOTE=bwink23][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19KVfK1xSdo[/url]
at 3:50, Scottie says he's always welcome to take a back seat to Larry Bird, LOL....homer :rockon:[/QUOTE]
Who in this thread said Pippen > Bird, as far as their careers/players go ?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Oh come off it. If a black guy stinks, he stinks. Look at kwame brown, michael olowankandi, harold "baby jordan" miner. The list goes on and on.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you .. and when compared with a white player .. more frequently than not those players would be regarded as superior .. everyone knows this .. 'slow white man inferior syndrome' :rolleyes: .. so that right there skews your analysis .. it's automatically biased
Well, anybody could beat each other one on one in the pros. I think I read an article how Fisher beat Kobe one on one a few times whenever they go at out. You even see guys like Sam Cassel vs Ray Allen or something.
With that said, I think I'll go with Bird. Bird would probably post Pippen up and shoot over him. But it would be fun.
[QUOTE=bwink23][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19KVfK1xSdo[/url]
at 3:50, Scottie says he's always welcome to take a back seat to Larry Bird, LOL....homer :rockon:[/QUOTE]
Man that's a really nice interview. Respect to NBA legends.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Do you really think bird has the footspeed to stay in front of pippen?[/QUOTE]
Eh. Well, Bird could sag back and dared him to shoot the jumper. Besides, it's not like he never defend ppl who were as fast like Wilkins, Worthy, Dr. J and others. It's not like they went by Bird every time that he guarded them. And it depends the type of defense that they'll play. If they are allowed to be physical and stuff.
Besides, it's one on one. Anything can happen. It's not like it's anything serious.
[QUOTE=dude77]I agree with you .. and when compared with a white player .. more frequently than not those players would be regarded as superior .. everyone knows this .. 'slow white man inferior syndrome' :rolleyes: .. so that right there skews your analysis .. it's automatically biased[/QUOTE]
If your fast and can jump out the gym, then your fast and can jump out the gym. Look at chris "birdman" anderson, dan "thunder dan" majrle, rex chapman, brent barry. Name a white guy that you feel is super athletic that hasn't got their due.
Bird has a rep for being slow-a-foot cuz well.....he was slow-a-foot. He buttered his bread with a wet jumper, high intangibles, being able to move well off the ball, timely passing, and clutch shots, and being great and being a free safety on defense.
[QUOTE=Micku]Eh. Well, Bird could sag back and dared him to shoot the jumper. Besides, it's not like he never defend ppl who were as fast like Wilkins, Worthy, Dr. J and others. It's not like they went by Bird every time that he guarded them. And it depends the type of defense that they'll play. If they are allowed to be physical and stuff.
Besides, it's one on one. Anything can happen. It's not like it's anything serious.[/QUOTE]
But you leave out 2 things mick. He either had help or didn't guard them.
And I'm assuming that in a one on one setting its gonna get physical since there's no refs.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]If your fast and can jump out the gym, then your fast and can jump out the gym. Look at chris "birdman" anderson, dan "thunder dan" majrle, rex chapman, brent barry. Name a white guy that you feel is super athletic that hasn't got their due.
Bird has a rep for being slow-a-foot cuz well.....he was slow-a-foot. He buttered his bread with a wet jumper, high intangibles, being able to move well off the ball, timely passing, and clutch shots, and being great and being a free safety on defense.[/QUOTE]
I get you but you keep missing the point .. now compare majerle, chapman, barry to another group, of black players at the same position .. which group is gonna be touted as 'faster', 'more athletic' .. this is the mentality that you have and most other people have .. it's fking up your argument because you're clearly biased
[QUOTE=97 bulls]But you leave out 2 things mick. He either had help or didn't guard them.
And I'm assuming that in a one on one setting its gonna get physical since there's no refs.[/QUOTE]
It's a mixture of everything. Sometimes he wouldn't guard him because he would be grabbing boards. Sometimes he would guard them, and stop them from driving every once and a while or help would come. There will be instances where Bird would have to guard one on one without help against those guys, and he did ok. He even guarded Michael Jordan at one point and stopped him from driving. Bottom line is that he wasn't the worst one on one defenders ever. He could hold his own against those guys. That's how it is in the NBA.
Yeah. So, they could probably beat each other. It's no big deal or anything like that. Fisher could beat Kobe one on one sometimes and etc. Who would win the most is something you would never know, but it's still no big deal. Nothing to lose your sock over for.
[QUOTE=dude77]I get you but you keep missing the point .. now compare majerle, chapman, barry to another group, of black players at the same position .. which group is gonna be touted as 'faster', 'more athletic' .. this is the mentality that you have and most other people have .. it's fking up your argument because you're clearly biased[/QUOTE]
I get your point. A white basketball player is similar to a black quarterback in that they must work alittle harder to prove themselves. But I stand by the notion that if your good, you'll get a shot.
In an effort to answer your question...
Jr rider id say is similar to dan majrle, but id take marjle over him if both are in their primes and rider has his head on straight.
Id say chris anderson is similar to serge ibaka
Rex chapman maybe tyreke evans
Now answer this question for me, what whit guy do you feel is in the nba that doesn't get their due
[QUOTE=dude77]I get you but you keep missing the point .. now compare majerle, chapman, barry to another group, of black players at the same position .. which group is gonna be touted as 'faster', 'more athletic' .. this is the mentality that you have and most other people have .. it's fking up your argument because you're clearly biased[/QUOTE]
Also dude, I'm not one of those guys that feels blacks are better basketball players than whites. I honestly would take john stockton over magic (which I've gottne laughed at for saying lol), I feel toni kukoc is wayyy underrated, and would take him over lamar odom easily.
[QUOTE=TheMan]Naw dude, Bird gets overrated because he's white, don't get me wrong, he's an all time great but he is not better than Jordan, Magic, Wilt or KAJ for example.
Bird won 3 titles with that Celtics team, should've won more, Magic spanked Bird 2 out of 3 times...Larry is a legend but he's not the greatest, stop overrating him.[/QUOTE]
I'd have him better than Magic.
Magic beat Bird twice in the Finals, sure. But did Bird have another Top 10 GOAT on his team? Nope. Bird was just something else. Those who underrate him now are doing it with revisionist history. At the time, he was being discussed as the GOAT. That's AFTER Russell, Wilt, KAJ's prime and at the same time as Magic's.
Nowadays people don't go back and watch full games of Bird, Magic, KAJ and all the other greats, they go off reputation, stats, accolades and rings. What Bird accomplished was insane. Took a 29 win team to 61 wins in his rookie year. Sure, Magic got a ring in his rookie year, but he had KAJ on his team (who won the MVP that year). What did Bird have?
bird can not drive on pip.
it depends if his jumper is on.
21 makes vs pip? i dont think so i'd be very close.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Also dude, I'm not one of those guys that feels blacks are better basketball players than whites. I honestly would take john stockton over magic (which I've gottne laughed at for saying lol), I feel toni kukoc is wayyy underrated, and would take him over lamar odom easily.[/QUOTE]
kukoc>>>>odom
this guy just compared Bird to Reggie Miller offensively. There is nothing more to say :facepalm
[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]this guy just compared Bird to Reggie Miller offensively. There is nothing more to say :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Who compared bird to miller offensively? I hope you don't mean me. I said their styles are similar. Similar in that they both looked to score off picks and screens and curls. And had wet jumpers. And really didn't attack the basket off the dribble.
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=birdla01&p2=pippesc01[/url]
Pippen and Bird (Head to head matchup)
[QUOTE=97 bulls]You know what's funny is that a lot of people feel the same way. Bird does get overrated due to his being whit. And this is a prime example of it.[/QUOTE]
Isiah Thomas caught heat for telling the truth..and years later Bird admitted,as Pacers GM, that NBA needs more good white players to attract bigger fanbase.
Bird and Magic documentary touches on how Bird's emergence in the league helped fuel more (white) fans watching the sport.
Identifying with a player isn't wrong, but when it starts clouding your judgment...there might be a problem. Lot of confused insecure people in this thread.
In their mind Bird was a slow hard working white guy..shiiiiiitttttt!!!
Bird was no more or less athletic than Magic..but since he is white....much easier for fans to believe that he had no physical "gifts" and wasn't an elite Division 1 athlete...but just a hard working guy .
If you look at the SF position in Bird's era.....it was LOADED with exceptional great players, multiskilled....and almost none of them were super athletic...Nique being the exception....
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Who compared bird to miller offensively? I hope you don't mean me. I said their styles are similar. Similar in that they both looked to score off picks and screens and curls. And had wet jumpers. [B]And really didn't attack the basket off the dribble.[/B][/QUOTE]
LOL @ Bird "not attacking the basket off the dribble."
Final piece of evidence you have no idea what you're talking about or only see the world through your homer eyes.
[QUOTE=Pushxx]LOL @ Bird "not attacking the basket off the dribble."
Final piece of evidence you have no idea what you're talking about or only see the world through your homer eyes.[/QUOTE]
Lol as if your view isn't seen through celtic green bifocles. And no bird didn't attack off the dribble. And let me xpand on this concept cuz your kinda simple when it comes to basketball.
When I say off the dribble, I'm refering to his inability to get the ball at the top of the three point line and break his man down in an iso.
[QUOTE=get these NETS]Isiah Thomas caught heat for telling the truth..and years later Bird admitted,as Pacers GM, that NBA needs more good white players to attract bigger fanbase.
Bird and Magic documentary touches on how Bird's emergence in the league helped fuel more (white) fans watching the sport.
Identifying with a player isn't wrong, but when it starts clouding your judgment...there might be a problem. Lot of confused insecure people in this thread.
In their mind Bird was a slow hard working white guy..shiiiiiitttttt!!!
Bird was no more or less athletic than Magic..but since he is white....much easier for fans to believe that he had no physical "gifts" and wasn't an elite Division 1 athlete...but just a hard working guy .
If you look at the SF position in Bird's era.....it was LOADED with exceptional great players, multiskilled....and almost none of them were super athletic...Nique being the exception....[/QUOTE]
I honestly feel the way some of these people see it, if they admit pippen could take bird 1on 1, then somehow that must mean pippen should be ranked higher or is a better basketball player overall. When all it does is cater to pippens strength. The outcome would be far different if they were in a shooting contest. And bird was more dominant in the pro game.
Its no different than my feeling that steve kerr would outshoot michael jordan if they were in a shooting contest
Bird would murder him in the post, Pippen was a weak post defender