List of players over 7 foot, 230 pounds in Wilt's time

I think it's quite clear from this thread that the people who try to dismiss Wilt's talent are just a bunch of kids who know nothing about basketball and probably think that Jeremy Lin is better than Michael Jordan.

Meanwhile, those of us who can actually string a sentence together without swearing and those of us who understand the game of basketball just happen to be the ones who rate Wilt highly.

Coincidence? I think not.

[U][B]Conclusion: Kids have no idea what they are talking about.[/B][/U]

[QUOTE=WillC]I think it's quite clear from this thread that the people who try to dismiss Wilt's talent are just a bunch of kids who know nothing about basketball and probably think that Jeremy Lin is better than Michael Jordan.

Meanwhile, those of us who can actually string a sentence together without swearing and and those of us who understand the game of basketball just happen to be the ones who rate Wilt highly.

Coincidence? I think not.

[U][B]Conclusion: Kids have no idea what they are talking about.[/B][/U][/QUOTE]


You nailed it....any kid who thinks Andrew Bynum is on the level of Chamberlain just cuz he's big, needs to get his head examined....Bynum's been through l,000 injuries and surgeries in his short career...he wouldn't have survived 2 years in the run and gun style of the 60's.

[QUOTE=WillC]

[U][B]Conclusion: [B]Kids have no idea what they are talking about[/B].[/B][/U][/QUOTE]
Amen.


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYEbga0XueA[/url]



This thread is like saying that Tom Cruise is a better actor, than Kirk Douglas or Lawrence Olivier.

Here is a list of the players who played in Wilt's NBA who were 6-11 or taller...

Ray Felix 6-11 65
Chuck Share 6-11
Walter Dukes 7-0
Swede Halbrook 7-3
Walt Bellamy 6-11
Nate Thurmond 6-11
Reggie Harding 7-0
Mel Counts 7-0
Walt Wesley 6-11
Hank Finkel 7-0
Craig Spitzer 7-0
Craig Raymond 6-11
Otto Moore 6-11
Rich Niemann 7-0
Tom Boerwinkle 7-0 265
Dave Newmark 7-0
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 7-2
Greg Fillmore 7-1 240
George Johnson 6-11 245
Bob Lanier 6-11 250
Elmore Smith 7-0 250
Tom Payne 7-2 240
Vic Bartolome 7-0 230
Jim McDaniels 6-11
William Smith 7-0
George Johnson 6-11 (yes another G. Johnson)
LaRue Martin 6-11

Artis Gilmore 7-2 240 (yes, Wilt faced Gilmore in the 71-72 ABA-NBA All Star game, and more than held his own against him.)

I listed the 6-11+ players because, as was already mentioned previously, players were generally measured in bare-feet in the 60's and 70's. So, the reality was, most all of the above would be listed at 7-0+ feet today. Granted, some of the above were scrubs, and some only played briefly. BTW, there a TON of players who were 6-10, as well.

Having said that, however, I could list the 7-0+ clods who had played in the NBA in the last 30 years. Players like 7-5 Chuck Neavitt, or 7-2 Randy Breuer. Even the 7-7 Manute Bol was basically worthless. He could block some shots, and he could occasionally heave a miraculous 3 pt shot, but other than that, he was a joke. I still remember 6-9 Orlando Woolridge just shoving him out of the lane and easily dunking on several possessions in one game.

Furthermore, there were players in the 60's and 70's who were taller than their listed height. Bill Russell was listed at 6-10 in college, and only 6-9 in the pros. However, even he admitted he was 6-10. That, along with his 7-4 wingspan, and world-class leaping ability gave him the ability to reach heights that few ever have.

John Block is listed at 6-9 at basketball reference.com, but many publications listed him at 6-10 at the time. Same with 6-10 LeRoy Ellis, who was commonly listed at 6-11, and Connie Dierking, who was actually listed at 6-10 throughout his career. Even 6-9 Bob McAdoo was often listed at 6-10. Bill Walton was known to have been over 7-0, but was listed at 6-11. Those that played with Kareem and Wilt would tell you that they were taller than 7-2 and 7-1 respectively. And Nate Thurmond, who was 6-11, had a longer wingspan than Chamberlain, who had a legitimate 7-8 spread.

And, the opposite has been true in the last 30 years. There was no way Hakeem was even close to 7-0. 6-10 was probably being generous. Ben Wallace himself would tell you he was 6-7, and not his listed 6-9. Dwight Howard and Kevin Love are NOT 6-11, and are probably actually closer to 6-9. Ralph Sampson was never 7-4, and in fact, Mark Eaton, who was a legitimate 7-4 claimed that Sampson was no more than 7-2 (and Sampson had very short arms BTW.) And I have seen a photograph with Shaq, Wilt, and Ewing, and there was no way Ewing was 7-0. Duncan is no taller than 6-11.

Kblaze already covered the listed weights. Most of them are laughable. Thurmond was easily 235, and probably heavier. Wayne Embry was listed at 240, but many publications had him at between 250-260. Tom Boerwinkle was 265 in his rookie season, and was around 280 for much of his career. Dennis Awtry was 6-10 235. Same with Sam Lacey. Wes Unseld, while only 6-7, was easily 245. Artis Gilmore's listed weight of 240 is a complete joke. He was nearly 300 lbs later in his career. Bob Lanier is listed at 250, but was playing at around 265. PHILA posted an article in which the 6-9 Luke Jackson came to camp at 272 lbs. In fact, you could probably easily add 20+ lbs to nearly every player who has ever played in the NBA.

And that list of players came in leagues that ranged from eight to 17 teams throughout Chamberlain's career, instead of the 23-30 teams that the NBA had in the last 30 years.

And, Chamberlain just CRUSHED his peers. I looked up a few games in which 7-0 Walter Dukes and Wilt battled, of their many, and in two in a row, Wilt had games of 56 and 58. I did a quick lookup of a couple of games between 7-0 Reggie Harding and Chamberlain, and in one Wilt pounded him by a 52-2 margin. It's hard to say how much the 7-3 Swede Halbrook played against Wilt, because he was usually backing up 6-9 Red Kerr, but in one game, Wilt had a 56 point game. Chamberlain also had 60 and 70+ games against 6-11 Ray Felix.

Of course, Wilt also SHELLED HOFer Willis Reed. In one season alone, covering nine games, Wilt averaged 40.1 ppg against him, including games of 52 and 58. And how about 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy? In one ten game season, Chamberlain averaged 43.7 ppg against him, and in another 10 game season, he averaged an eye-popping 52.7 ppg against him.

A PRIME "scoring" Wilt only faced the 6-11 Thurmond in about a dozen games. However, in a span of 11 games from the last game of the 64-65 season, their nine H2H games in the 65-66 season, and in the first game of the 66-67 season he averaged 30 ppg against Nate, with games of 30 (24 in the 2nd half when his coach asked him to take to Thurmond), 33, 34, 34, 38, and 45 points (outscoring him 45-13.) Kareem faced Thurmond in some 50 H2H games, and he seldom scored 30 against him, and his high was only 34.

Chamberlain also averaged 29 ppg against the 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier in their five H2H games of the 71-72 season, including one game of 31 points and 32 rebounds. This from a Wilt who was 35 and seldom even shot the ball.

And most posters just look at the players who played in the NBA in the ealy 60's when they try to rip Wilt's numbers. He was scoring 33.5 ppg on .540 shooting (along with 24.6 rpg and 5.2 apg) in the mid-60's. He had a season of 24.1 ppg on .683 in the 66-67 season. He had FOUR games of 52, 53, 53, and 68 points in his 67-68 season. When SI ran an article in the 68-69 season, that Wilt could no longer score, he went on a 17 game rampage of 31.1 ppg including a 35 point game against Russell, a 31 point game against Reed, and games of 60 and 66 against Dierking and Fox. Incidently, Kareem came into the league in the very next season, 69-70, and faced those two, as well as Bellamy, Thurmond, and Reed, and never came close to the domination that Wilt had.

And speaking of that 69-70 season...in Wilt's first nine games he was leading the league at 32.2 ppg. His coach had asked him to focus on the offensive end, and he just tore thru the league. He had games of 33, 35, 37 (against 7-0 Boerwinkle), 38 (against reigning MVP Wes Unseld), 42 (against 6-9 star Bob Rule), and 43 points. He even pounded Kareem with a 25-25 game on 9-14 shooting. However, he shredded his knee in thatr ninth game, and was never quite the same again. Even on one leg, he still averaged 23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and shot .625 in the seven game series in the '70 Finals.

The fact was, Chamberlain played against the likes of Lovellette, Embry, Reed, Bellamy, Unseld, Cowens, McAdoo, Hayes, Lanier, Thurmond, Russell, and Kareem...ALL in the HOF. And he was still leading the league in rebounding and setting FG% records against them in his LAST season. Hell, in his LAST post-season, against the likes of 7-0 Tom Boerwinkle, 6-11 HOFer Nate Thurmond, and 6-9 HOFer Willis Reed, Chamberlain averaged 22.5 rpg in those 17 games...which was the last time anyone averaged more than 17.3 rpg in a post-season!

Once again, the OP makes a fool of himself.

[QUOTE=WillC]I think it's quite clear from this thread that the people who try to dismiss Wilt's talent are just a bunch of kids who know nothing about basketball and probably think that Jeremy Lin is better than Michael Jordan.

Meanwhile, those of us who can actually string a sentence together without swearing and those of us who understand the game of basketball just happen to be the ones who rate Wilt highly.

Coincidence? I think not.

[U][B]Conclusion: Kids have no idea what they are talking about.[/B][/U][/QUOTE]

Lots of humans are simply mediocre to bad at estimating sizes and values they don't see every day. The human brain is just not wired to perceive such things with accuracy. I've met people who think that Mt Everest is 8,848 km's high. People who think Pluto is as far away as stars. People who have seen 7-footers and called them 8-footers. People who think humans co-existed with dinosaurs some thousands of years ago (newsflash: The Flintstones did not exist). And yes, people who perceive Wilt's talent as Bynum's talent, because the black and white color of many of his films and the reduced athletic capabilities of [B]some[/B] of his opponents are too much for them to handle. So, they see Wilt taking fade-away shots while raising way above the basket at the same time and still think that modern centers would swat such shots away, although most of the times all these centers are not even able to block penetrating guards that shoot just next to their noses (and this has been the case for the last 50 years or so, so don't take this as a slight against this era's centers). Similarly, they see someone like Nate Thurmond or Willis Reed being listed at like 220-225 lbs and think this was his real weight, although it's painfully obvious they were bulker/heavier than that. I'm only talking about non-pure haters here.
Of course, the OP is a troll and a hater (and this thread is a troll thread), but overall I have no reason to believe his reasoning goes beyond this level.

[QUOTE=Psileas]Lots of humans are simply mediocre to bad at estimating sizes and values they don't see every day. The human brain is just not wired to perceive such things with accuracy. I've met people who think that Mt Everest is 8,848 km's high. People who think Pluto is as far away as stars. People who have seen 7-footers and called them 8-footers. People who think humans co-existed with dinosaurs some thousands of years ago (newsflash: The Flintstones did not exist). And yes, people who perceive Wilt's talent as Bynum's talent, because the black and white color of many of his films and the reduced athletic capabilities of [B]some[/B] of his opponents are too much for them to handle. So, they see Wilt taking fade-away shots while raising way above the basket at the same time and still think that modern centers would swat such shots away, although most of the times all these centers are not even able to block penetrating guards that shoot just next to their noses (and this has been the case for the last 50 years or so, so don't take this as a slight against this era's centers). Similarly, they see someone like Nate Thurmond or Willis Reed being listed at like 220-225 lbs and think this was his real weight, although it's painfully obvious they were bulker/heavier than that. I'm only talking about non-pure haters here.
Of course, the OP is a troll and a hater (and this thread is a troll thread), but overall I have no reason to believe his reasoning goes beyond this level.[/QUOTE]

Excellent analogies. And, of course, you're right; kids can't comprehend that the human species has not evolved all that much in the last 50 years. Wilt would still boss the NBA if he played today, in the same way that Jordan would still be the best player alive if he played in 2040, and in the same way that LeBron would be one of the best players alive no matter what era he played in.

What do these players have in common? They are/were all physical marvels who were also blessed with tremendous ability and talent. They would thrive in any era.

If there was a fantasy draft of all the current and former NBA superstars based purely on height, athleticism and talent at the age of twenty, who would be drafted above whom?

This tongue-in-cheek article sums it up nicely: [url]http://basketballjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/08/nbas-ultimate-fantasy-draft.html[/url]

[QUOTE=jlauber]Here is a list of the players who played in Wilt's NBA who were 6-11 or taller...

Ray Felix 6-11 65
Chuck Share 6-11
Walter Dukes 7-0
Swede Halbrook 7-3
Walt Bellamy 6-11
Nate Thurmond 6-11
Reggie Harding 7-0
Mel Counts 7-0
Walt Wesley 6-11
Hank Finkel 7-0
Craig Spitzer 7-0
Craig Raymond 6-11
Otto Moore 6-11
Rich Niemann 7-0
Tom Boerwinkle 7-0 265
Dave Newmark 7-0
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 7-2
Greg Fillmore 7-1 240
George Johnson 6-11 245
Bob Lanier 6-11 250
Elmore Smith 7-0 250
Tom Payne 7-2 240
Vic Bartolome 7-0 230
Jim McDaniels 6-11
William Smith 7-0
George Johnson 6-11 (yes another G. Johnson)
LaRue Martin 6-11

Artis Gilmore 7-2 240 (yes, Wilt faced Gilmore in the 71-72 ABA-NBA All Star game, and more than held his own against him.)

I listed the 6-11+ players because, as was already mentioned previously, players were generally measured in bare-feet in the 60's and 70's. So, the reality was, most all of the above would be listed at 7-0+ feet today. Granted, some of the above were scrubs, and some only played briefly. BTW, there a TON of players who were 6-10, as well.

Furthermore, there were players in the 60's and 70's who were taller than their listed height. Bill Russell was listed at 6-10 in college, and only 6-9 in the pros. However, even he admitted he was 6-10. That, along with his 7-4 wingspan, and world-class leaping ability gave him the ability to reach heights that few ever have.

And, the opposite has been true in the last 30 years. There was no way Hakeem was even close to 7-0. 6-10 was probably being generous. Ben Wallace himself would tell you he was 6-7, and not his listed 6-9. Dwight Howard and Kevin Love are NOT 6-11, and are probably actually closer to 6-9. Ralph Sampson was never 7-4, and in fact, Mark Eaton, who was a legitimate 7-4 claimed that Sampson was no more than 7-2 (and Sampson had very short arms BTW.) And I have seen a photograph with Shaq, Wilt, and Ewing, and there was no way Ewing was 7-0. Duncan is no taller than 6-11.

[B]Artis Gilmore's listed weight of 240 is a complete joke. [/B]He was nearly 300 lbs later in his career. Bob Lanier is listed at 250, but was playing at around 265. PHILA posted an article in which the 6-9 Luke Jackson came to camp at 272 lbs. In fact, you could probably easily add 20+ lbs to nearly every player who has ever played in the NBA.
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Great Post.

Gilmore looked bigger to me than Wilt in that Allstar game. He was a big cat. Robert Parrish said Gilmore was the strongest guy he ever played against. Parrish played against Shaq. He said this when the conversation was about Shaq. So yeah, the listings are null and void.

But Pointguard, you do realise that players in the 1960s and 1970s had no athleticism and would get pushed around by today's centers? Right?!

Oh, ok, maybe not. Here are some pictures of Artis Gilmore to perhaps prove otherwise.

[img]http://www.artisgilmore.com/imgs_2/Artishomeimg_sml.jpg[/img]

[img]http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lugsj9M2gU1qm9rypo1_500.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.remembertheaba.com/TeamMaterial/KentuckyMaterial/GilmoreDribblePaultz2.jpg[/img]

Sure, these guys are probably an average height of 5'10", but it still suggests Gilmore was a lot more than 7'2". Again, I assume his listed height was without shoes. He'd be listed as 7'3" or 7'4" in today's NBA.

[img]http://www.judolphins.com/media/mbasketball/Artis-Gilmore/artis-city%20council.jpg[/img]

As if Wilt would be able to compete with the athletic black guys who led the league in rebounds and blocked shots last season.

Lock thread Jeff.

[QUOTE=WillC]But Pointguard, you do realise that players in the 1960s and 1970s had no athleticism and would get pushed around by today's centers? Right?![/QUOTE]
WillC, while I seen limited footage of these guys I couldn't imagine if one of these centers today pushed Dave Cowens, Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond, Debushere, Lanier, Wilt, Russell or Unseld with the refs allowing them to bang. They loved full contact - even against bigger guys. Chandler and DH would be the exceptions: they don't go out of their way to do it, but they got some warrior in them.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]WillC, while I seen limited footage of these guys I couldn't imagine if one of these centers today pushed Dave Cowens, Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond, Debushere, Lanier, Wilt, Russell or Unseld with the refs allowing them to bang. They loved full contact - even against bigger guys. Chandler and DH would be the exceptions: they don't go out of their way to do it, but they got some warrior in them.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100% (just to be clear, I was being sarcastic in my previous post - the centers of the 1960/70s were a lot tougher and arguably more athletic than many of today's stiffs).

You chose some good examples. Cowens had arguably the most psychotic attitude in NBA history. He was a real warrior. Obviously Reed, Unseld and Lanier are other excellent examples that people sometimes forget about.

[QUOTE=WillC]I agree 100% (just to be clear, I was being sarcastic in my previous post - the centers of the 1960/70s were a lot tougher and arguably more athletic than many of today's stiffs).

You chose some good examples. Cowens had arguably the most psychotic attitude in NBA history. He was a real warrior. Obviously Reed, Unseld and Lanier are other excellent examples that people sometimes forget about.[/QUOTE]
Please please enough with the tall tales

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Please please enough with the tall tales[/QUOTE]

Back under your bridge, troll. Don't emerge again until you've done your homework.

[QUOTE=WillC]Excellent analogies. And, of course, you're right; kids can't comprehend that the human species has not evolved all that much in the last 50 years. Wilt would still boss the NBA if he played today, in the same way that Jordan would still be the best player alive if he played in 2040, and in the same way that LeBron would be one of the best players alive no matter what era he played in.

What do these players have in common? They are/were all physical marvels who were also blessed with tremendous ability and talent. They would thrive in any era.

If there was a fantasy draft of all the current and former NBA superstars based purely on height, athleticism and talent at the age of twenty, who would be drafted above whom?

This tongue-in-cheek article sums it up nicely: [url]http://basketballjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/08/nbas-ultimate-fantasy-draft.html[/url][/QUOTE]


I checked the blog, nice writing you have there. I'm doing some writing on the blogs, even though i'm not older than 18. I like to write up stuffs about the league history and try to learn the history of the game.

From what i've seen, excellent work. I like that Dr J article. You could make a case for Elgin, who's overlooked as a superstar as well.

And btw, i completely agree with the post.

someone post the article/quote with the "to prevent freak activity"

I always get a good chuckle out of that :lol

and also the "dunks the ball so hard that it crushes the opponents toes"

[QUOTE=PTB Fan]I checked the blog, nice writing you have there. I'm doing some writing on the blogs, even though i'm not older than 18. I like to write up stuffs about the league history and try to learn the history of the game.

From what i've seen, excellent work. I like that Dr J article. You could make a case for Elgin, who's overlooked as a superstar as well.

And btw, i completely agree with the post.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I wish I had more time for my blog. One of my articles was published in MVP magazine this month, which is the fourth time I've had an article published.

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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]someone post the article/quote with the "to prevent freak activity"

I always get a good chuckle out of that :lol[/QUOTE]


Children, what are you gonna do....:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=jlauber]Here is a list of the players who played in Wilt's NBA who were 6-11 or taller...

Ray Felix 6-11 65 -[B] Not in his prime[/B]
Chuck Share 6-11 -[B] Crap and only played 1 crappy season after Wilt's arrival[/B]
Walter Dukes 7-0 - [B]Not anything special at all[/B]
Swede Halbrook 7-3 - [B]Garbage and only played for 2 years[/B]
Walt Bellamy 6-11 - [B]Baller obviously [/B]
Nate Thurmond 6-11 - [B]Baller[/B]
Reggie Harding 7-0 - [B]Garbage[/B]
Mel Counts 7-0 - [B]Garbage[/B]
Walt Wesley 6-11 - [B]Mediocre at best[/B]
Hank Finkel 7-0 - [B]Garbage[/B]
Craig Spitzer 7-0 - [B]Haha, he played 10 NBA games..:facepalm [/B]
Craig Raymond 6-11 - [B]Played 27 NBA games..:facepalm [/B]
Otto Moore 6-11 - [B]Mediocre at best[/B]
Rich Niemann 7-0 -[B] Played 40 NBA games..:facepalm [/B]
Tom Boerwinkle 7-0 265 - [B]Mediocre at best[/B]
Dave Newmark 7-0 - [B]Scrub[/B]
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 7-2 - [B]GOAT center[/B]
Greg Fillmore 7-1 240 - [B]Scrub and played 49 games.. :facepalm [/B]
George Johnson 6-11 245 - [B]Scrub and played 69 NBA games[/B]
Bob Lanier 6-11 250 - [B]Baller, obviously but barely faced Wilt[/B]
Elmore Smith 7-0 250 -[B] Mediocre[/B]
Tom Payne 7-2 240 - [B]Played 29 NBA games..:facepalm [/B]
Vic Bartolome 7-0 230 -[B] Played 38 games..:facepalm [/B]
Jim McDaniels 6-11 - [B]Mediocre [/B]
William Smith 7-0 - [B]played 30 NBA games..:facepalm[/B]
George Johnson 6-11 - [B]Scrub[/B]
LaRue Martin 6-11 - [B]Biggest bust of all time..[/B]
[/QUOTE]

Fixed, at least this time you didn't mention players who never faced Wilt like the last time when you mentioned ABA-players and college players etc., haha.. :facepalm

Still, Wilt in his stats prime barely faced anyone tall and skilled..

Wilt in his 50 point per game season only faced Walter Dukes and Swede who were 7'0 or taller if I recall correctly which is very interesting. NBA with a total amount of three players who were 7'0 or taller..

[QUOTE=millwad]Fixed, at least this time you didn't mention players who never faced Wilt like the last time when you mentioned ABA-players and college players etc., haha.. :facepalm

Still, Wilt in his stats prime barely faced anyone tall and skilled..[/QUOTE]


You are in no place to judge these players....your own mom probably wasn't even born yet....:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=bwink23]You are in no place to judge these players....your own mom probably wasn't even born yet....:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Is that so, Brian?

If you think that guys like Jlauber actually saw these players play you are completely wrong, Jlauber himself changed his mind regarding Wilt and his era over some youtube-footage and quotes more then 40 years after the games were played.

[QUOTE=millwad]Is that so, Brian?

If you think that guys like Jlauber actually saw these players play you are completely wrong, Jlauber himself changed his mind regarding Wilt and his era over some youtube-footage and quotes more then 40 years after the games were played.[/QUOTE]


DOESN'T MATTER......your making statements on judging players abilities of which you don't know what 90% of them even look like....:sleeping

[QUOTE=bwink23]DOESN'T MATTER......your making statements on judging players abilities of which you don't know what 90% of them even look like....:sleeping[/QUOTE]

It sure as hell matters, you seem to be butthurt since you only called me out in this thread which is funny when we're talking about players who played 50 years ago.

You must be naive if you actually think that anyone in this thread saw those guys play. Even the self-proclaimed Wilt historian Jlauber copies and pastes all his posts and changed his mind over youtube and quotes..

You actually think that he saw all those players play a la Reggie Harding, Vic Bartolome and Hank Finkel etc?:facepalm

He got his list from basketball-reference and google, go and ask him and everyone lese in this thread about their abilities..:facepalm

[QUOTE=millwad]It sure as hell matters, you seem to be butthurt since you only called me out in this thread which is funny when we're talking about players who played 50 years ago.

You must be naive if you actually think that anyone in this thread saw those guys play. Even the self-proclaimed Wilt historian Jlauber copies and pastes all his posts and changed his mind over youtube and quotes..

You actually think that he saw all those players play a la Reggie Harding, Vic Bartolome and Hank Finkel etc?:facepalm

He got his list from basketball-reference and google, go and ask him and everyone lese in this thread about their abilities..:facepalm[/QUOTE]



You don't seem to get it, so i'm gonna explain it to you....in your post you said you "fixed"....you made direct comments about players in such a way that implied that you knew who they were, and what their abilities was like. That's ridiculous. Calling a player you've never seen before "mediocre" is stupid considering you've never watched them play. Your idiotic post has nothing to do with anyone else but yourself....:hammerhead:

[QUOTE=bwink23]You don't seem to get it, so i'm gonna explain it to you....in your post you said you "fixed"....you made direct comments about players in such a way that implied that you knew who they were, and what their abilities was like. That's ridiculous. Calling a player you've never seen before "mediocre" is stupid considering you've never watched them play. Your idiotic post has nothing to do with anyone else but yourself....:hammerhead:[/QUOTE]

First of all, Brian, we know it's you.
I know you're butthurt and all but this is just pathetic..

And 2nd, you can get a hint of a players skillset and abilities through stats and I didn't write that I was some kind of expert but it's easy to tell if someone's mediocre or garbage and that was the only thing I did.

Do you need a 5 page analyze of players who played 60 games in their NBA career? A scrub is a scrub. Or players who never made any all-NBA team or weren't even close and who had short statistical peaks where they didn't excel in anything? A player like that is mediocre no matter what. Go find something controversial with my previous post, Brian..

Clown..:facepalm

[QUOTE=millwad]First of all, Brian, we know it's you.
I know you're butthurt and all but this is just pathetic..

And 2nd, you can get a hint of a players skillset and abilities through stats and I didn't write that I was some kind of expert but it's easy to tell if someone's mediocre or garbage and that was the only thing I did.

Do you need a 5 page analyze of players who played 60 games in their NBA career? A scrub is a scrub. Or players who never made any all-NBA team or weren't even close and who had short statistical peaks where they didn't excel in anything? A player like that is mediocre no matter what. Go find something controversial with my previous post, Brian..

Clown..:facepalm[/QUOTE]


First of all, i'm not this Brian dude you keep referring too....Second, you know you didn't research shit about any of those guys......:no:

[QUOTE=millwad]First of all, Brian, we know it's you.
I know you're butthurt and all but this is just pathetic..

And 2nd, you can get a hint of a players skillset and abilities through stats and I didn't write that I was some kind of expert but it's easy to tell if someone's mediocre or garbage and that was the only thing I did.

Do you need a 5 page analyze of players who played 60 games in their NBA career? A scrub is a scrub. Or players who never made any all-NBA team or weren't even close and who had short statistical peaks where they didn't excel in anything? A player like that is mediocre no matter what. Go find something controversial with my previous post, Brian..

Clown..:facepalm[/QUOTE]


By the way, nice bandwagon avatar Dillwad. Fall in line with the rest of the posers. :lol

[QUOTE=millwad]Fixed, at least this time you didn't mention players who never faced Wilt like the last time when you mentioned ABA-players and college players etc., haha.. :facepalm

Still, Wilt in his stats prime barely faced anyone tall and skilled..

Wilt in his 50 point per game season only faced Walter Dukes and Swede who were 7'0 or taller if I recall correctly which is very interesting. NBA with a total amount of three players who were 7'0 or taller..[/QUOTE]

First of all, the idiotic OP claimed that Wilt faced two players who were 7-0 in his CAREER. I just listed 14 seven-footers that played in the Chamberlain-era, and another 13 who would be listed at 7-0 in TODAY's game...or TWENTY-SEVEN of them.

Secondly, in Wilt's "scoring" prime, he not only was scoring 50-60-70 points against 7-0 Reggie Harding, 7-3 Swede Halbrook, 7-0 Walter Dukes, and 6-11 Ray Felix...he had SEASONS, covering 9+ games in a season, of 40.1 ppg against Reed; 43.7 ppg and get this, 52.7 ppg against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy; 39.7 ppg and 38.1 ppg against 6-10 HOFer Bill Russell (who was a WORLD-CLASS high-jumper with a 7-4 wingspan); as well as a string of 11 straight games against 6-11 Nate Thurmond, in which he averaged 30 ppg (including games of 30, 33, 34, 34, 38, and even 45 points.) BTW, find me a game in which Kareem scored 38 points against a starting Nate Thurmond, much less 45 points...and Kareem faced him in some 50 H2H games. And even as late as Wilt's 71-72 season, he was scoring 29 ppg in 5 H2H games against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier.

And that does not include his absolute DOMINATION in terms of rebounding. You would be hard-pressed to find very many single games in Chamberlain's entire career, in which he was outrebounded. Russell, who was the game' second greatest rebounder of all-time, managed to outrebound Chamberlain in 42 H2H games, most of them barely. BUT, Wilt outrebounded Russell in 92, and in many he just murdered Russell. And Chamberlain faced Thurmond in three playoff series, and outrebounded him by margins of 28.5 to 26.7 rpg, 23.5 rpg to 19.5 rpg, and a 36 year old Chamberlain had a 23.6 to 17.2 rpg edge in Wilt's LAST playoff run. Even in the first one, which was their closest series. Wilt outrebounded Thurmond in 5 of those 6 games.

And how about FG%'s? In the VAST majority of H2H games against virtually any of the MANY HOFers Chamberlain faced, he outshot them, including Kareem, even at way past his peak. He outshot a prime Thurmond in those three straight playoff series by margins of .500 to .392; .550 to .398; and a staggering .560 to .343 margin in the '67 Finals. Kareem faced an older Thurmond in three straight playoff series, and shot .486, .428, and an eye-popping .405 from the floor against him.

And once again, the uneducated posters, like yourself, just look at Wilt's 50 ppg season, in a league of nine teams. Of course, Wilt faced Russell in 10 games (and Boston in 12), and averaged 39.7 ppg against him (with a high game of 62.) He faced Bellamy in 10 games, and all he could do was score 52.7 ppg against him (with a high game of 73.) He faced the 6-11 Ray Felix in eight games, and averaged 51.5 ppg in those games, including three of 60+, and a high game of 78. He was pouring in games of 50+ against 7-3 Swede Halbrook and 7-0 Walter Dukes. He had 100 points in a game against 6-10 Darrell Imhoff (granted Imhoff was one of three centers who tried to guard Wilt in that game.) He also battled the 6-9, 240 lb. Clyde Lovellette, who averaged 20.8 ppg that season, three times (Lovellete was injured for 1/2 the season), and Wilt had games of 39, 39, and 53 against him. And multiple all-star 6-9 Red Kerr was routinely surrendering 50+ point games to Chamberlain.

But, here again, a Chamberlain in his 64-65 season, averaged 40.1 ppg against Reed. In his 65-66 season, he averaged 33.0 ppg against Bellamy; 28.9 against Thurmond; 28.3 against Russell (and 31 rpg as well), and then in the playoffs, he averaged 28 ppg, 30 rpg, and shot .509 against Russell. In fact, his 65-66 season was probably the most dominant season ever against an entire league. He was CRUSHING Thurmond, Bellamy, and Russell in those games, as well as pounding the rest of the league. He led the league in scoring, at 33.5 ppg; in rebounding, at 24.6 rpg; and set a then-record FG% mark of .540; oh and he also averaged 5.2 apg.

A 66-67 Chamberlain averaged 24.1 ppg, on .683 shooting, with 24.2 rpg, and 7.8 apg, And he was reducing the best centers to under 40% shooting in the known H2H matchups (in the playoffs,he held Dierking to .427, Russell to .358, and Thurmond to .343 shooting...all while shooting .579 himself in those games.)

A 67-68 Chamberlain had games of 52, 53, 53, and 68 points. In one of those 53 point games, he added 32 rebounds and 14 assists (and 7 blocks.) In that 68 point game, he grabbed 37 rebounds.

A 68-69 Wilt, in his 10th season, went on a 17 game tear in which he shelled every center in the league. He had games of 23 against Thurmond, 31 against Reed, and 35 against Russell...as well as 60 against Dierking and 66 against 6-10 Jim Fox.

A 69-70 Wilt, in his 11th season, was asked to step up offensively, and he responded by LEADING the league in scoring in his first nine games, at 32.2 ppg (and on about 60% shooting.) In those nine games he put up games of 33 (on 13-13 shooting), 35, 37 (against 7-0 Tom Boerwinkle), 38 (against reigning MVP Wes Unseld), 42 (against star center Bob Rule), and 43 points. He also pounded Kareem in one game, with a 25-25 game on 9-14 shooting. He blew out his knee in that ninth game, or he might have went on to win his eighth scoring title...at age 33.

Even in his LAST season, at age 36, he went H2H with Kareem in six regular season games, and outshot Kareem in those six games by a staggering .737 to .450 margin (which even included one game in which he outscored Kareem, 24-21, while outshooting Kareem, 10-14 to 10-27.) Then, in his LAST post-season, covering 17 games, all he did was average 22.5 rpg...which was the last time a player ever averaged as much as 17.3 ppg in the post-season.

Once again...Wilt faced players like Lovellette, Embry, Reed, Bellamy, Unseld, Hayes, Cowens, Lanier, Thurmond, Russell, Kareem, and even Gilmore...ALL in the HOF.

So, the fact was, no matter who Chamberlain faced, whether it be other seven-footers, of which there were quite a few in smaller leagues (from 8 to 17 team leagues) or the many HOFers, he was generally outplaying them all. Even into his LAST season. And all of that certainly blows up this theory that Wilt only feasted on helpless 6-6 centers in his career (which was the real intention of the OP BTW.)

[QUOTE=jlauber]First of all, the idiotic OP claimed that Wilt faced two players who were 7-0 in his CAREER. I just listed 14 seven-footers that played in the Chamberlain-era, and another 13 who would be listed at 7-0 in TODAY's game...or TWENTY-SEVEN of them.

Secondly, in Wilt's "scoring" prime, he not only was scoring 50-60-70 points against 7-0 Reggie Harding, 7-3 Swede Halbrook, 7-0 Walter Dukes, and 6-11 Ray Felix...he had SEASONS, covering 9+ games in a season, of 40.1 ppg against Reed; 43.7 ppg and get this, 52.7 ppg against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy; 39.7 ppg and 38.1 ppg against 6-10 HOFer Bill Russell (who was a WORLD-CLASS high-jumper with a 7-4 wingspan); as well as a string of 11 straight games against 6-11 Nate Thurmond, in which he averaged 30 ppg (including games of 30, 33, 34, 34, 38, and even 45 points.) BTW, find me a game in which Kareem scored 38 points against a starting Nate Thurmond, much less 45 points...and Kareem faced him in some 50 H2H games. And even as late as Wilt's 71-72 season, he was scoring 29 ppg in 5 H2H games against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier.

And that does not include his absolute DOMINATION in terms of rebounding. You would be hard-pressed to find very many single games in Chamberlain's entire career, in which he was outrebounded. Russell, who was the game' second greatest rebounder of all-time, managed to outrebound Chamberlain in 42 H2H games, most of them barely. BUT, Wilt outrebounded Russell in 92, and in many he just murdered Russell. And Chamberlain faced Thurmond in three playoff series, and outrebounded him by margins of 28.5 to 26.7 rpg, 23.5 rpg to 19.5 rpg, and a 36 year old Chamberlain had a 23.6 to 17.2 rpg edge in Wilt's LAST playoff run. Even in the first one, which was their closest series. Wilt outrebounded Thurmond in 5 of those 6 games.

And how about FG%'s? In the VAST majority of H2H games against virtually any of the MANY HOFers Chamberlain faced, he outshot them, including Kareem, even at way past his peak. He outshot a prime Thurmond in those three straight playoff series by margins of .500 to .392; .550 to .398; and a staggering .560 to .343 margin in the '67 Finals. Kareem faced an older Thurmond in three straight playoff series, and shot .486, .428, and an eye-popping .405 from the floor against him.

And once again, the uneducated posters, like yourself, just look at Wilt's 50 ppg season, in a league of nine teams. Of course, Wilt faced Russell in 10 games (and Boston in 12), and averaged 39.7 ppg against him (with a high game of 62.) He faced Bellamy in 10 games, and all he could do was score 52.7 ppg against him (with a high game of 73.) He faced the 6-11 Ray Felix in eight games, and averaged 51.5 ppg in those games, including three of 60+, and a high game of 78. He was pouring in games of 50+ against 7-3 Swede Halbrook and 7-0 Walter Dukes. He had 100 points in a game against 6-10 Darrell Imhoff (granted Imhoff was one of three centers who tried to guard Wilt in that game.)

But, here again, a Chamberlain in his 64-65 season, averaged 40.1 ppg against Reed. In his 65-66 season, he averaged 33.0 ppg against Bellamy; 28.9 against Thurmond; 28.3 against Russell (and 31 rpg as well), and then in the playoffs, he averaged 28 ppg, 30 rpg, and shot .509 against Russell. In fact, his 65-66 season was probably the most dominant season ever against an entire league. He was CRUSHING Thurmond, Bellamy, and Russell in those games, as well as pounding the rest of the league. He led the league in scoring, at 33.5 ppg; in rebounding, at 24.6 rpg; and set a then-record FG% mark of .540; oh and he also averaged 5.2 apg.

A 66-67 Chamberlain averaged 24.1 ppg, on .683 shooting, with 24.2 rpg, and 7.8 apg, And he was reducing the best centers to under 40% shooting in the known H2H matchups (in the playoffs,he held Dierking to .427, Russell to .358, and Thurmond to .343 shooting...all while shooting .579 himself in those games.)

A 67-68 Chamberlain had games of 52, 53, 53, and 68 points. In one of those 53 point games, he added 32 rebounds and 14 assists (and 7 blocks.) In that 68 point game, he grabbed 37 rebounds.

A 68-69 Wilt, in his 10th season, went on a 17 game tear in which he shelled every center in the league. He had games of 23 against Thurmond, 31 against Reed, and 35 against Russell...as well as 60 against Dierking and 66 against 6-10 Jim Fox.

A 69-70 Wilt, in his 11th season, was asked to step up offensively, and he responded by LEADING the league in scoring in his first nine games, at 32.2 ppg (and on about 60% shooting.) In those nine games he put up games of 33 (on 13-13 shooting), 35, 37 (against 7-0 Tom Boerwinkle), 38 (against reigning MVP Wes Unseld), 42 (against star center Bob Rule), and 43 points. He also pounded Kareem in one game, with a 25-25 game on 9-14 shooting. He blew out his knee in that ninth game, or he might have went on to win his eighth scoring title...at age 33.

Even in his LAST season, at age 36, he went H2H with Kareem in six regular season games, and outshot Kareem in those six games by a staggering .737 to .450 margin (which even included one game in which he outscored Kareem, 24-21, while outshooting Kareem, 10-14 to 10-27.) Then, in his LAST post-season, covering 17 games, all he did was average 22.5 rpg...which was the last time a player ever averaged as much as 17.3 ppg in the post-season.

Once again...Wilt faced players like Lovellette, Embry, Reed, Bellamy, Unseld, Hayes, Cowens, Lanier, Thurmond, Russell, Kareem, and even Gilmore...ALL in the HOF.

So, the fact was, no matter who Chamberlain faced, whether it be other seven-footers, of which there were quite a few in smaller leagues (from 8 to 17 team leagues) or the many HOFers, he was generally outplaying them all. Even into his LAST season. And all of that certainly blows up this theory that Wilt only feasted on helpless 6-6 centers in his career (which was the real intention of the OP BTW.)[/QUOTE]



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[QUOTE=jlauber]First of all, the idiotic OP claimed that Wilt faced two players who were 7-0 in his CAREER. I just listed 14 seven-footers that played in the Chamberlain-era, and another 13 who would be listed at 7-0 in TODAY's game...or TWENTY-SEVEN of them.[/QUOTE]

Well, obviously that's not true but Wilt's competition his first year wasn't that good, you know that and you've even said it yourself. In his 50 point per game season the lack of height and skillset around the league was obvious and the tall one's a la Swede Halbrook, Walter Dukes etc really wasn't anything special..

Although in all Wilt faced good competition in all, I'll get it if someone uses the competition in his early years against him, I do it too but in all he proved himself against some great centers.

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Didn't read? Or [I]can't [/I]read?

[QUOTE=WillC]Didn't read? Or [I]can't [/I]read?[/QUOTE]
Awwww you mad? Here's one chicken for you, f[COLOR="Black"]ag[/COLOR]got.

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A homophobic kid who spends his life posting GIFs on message boards.

Cool.

[QUOTE=WillC]A homophobic kid who spends his life posting GIFs on message boards.

Cool.[/QUOTE]
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Cool. Very impressive. Well done, kid.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA! :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

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And yet, you waste your own time to pop in and reply with this?

BTW, I get similar responses quite often...and then the poster goes on to dispute something I claimed in my post. But, yes, they, like you, didn't read it.

[QUOTE=jlauber]And yet, you waste your own time to pop in and reply with this?

BTW, I get similar responses quite often...and then the poster goes on to dispute something I claimed in my post. But, yes, they, like you, didn't read it.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry - anyone who posts a GIF automatically loses any argument, since it proves they are a kid who doesn't know what they're talking about.

There are only about ten people who use this website who actually know anything about the history of the game.

[QUOTE=WillC]Don't worry - anyone who posts a GIF automatically loses any argument, since it proves they are a kid who doesn't know what they're talking about.

There are only about ten people who use this website who actually know anything about the history of the game.[/QUOTE]

Tragically, this is true.

[QUOTE=WillC]Don't worry - anyone who posts a GIF automatically loses any argument, since it proves they are a kid who doesn't know what they're talking about.

There are only about ten people who use this website who actually know anything about the history of the game.[/QUOTE]
And you're one of them? :facepalm
Go and fall in love with them quotes, doggie.