Wilt's Tall Tales

[QUOTE=bwink23]Your gonna be bigger when your older cuz your body puts on fat at a certain % as you age, that's common knowledge. i've been lifting weights on and off all my life and i'm 35 years old. I know what aging is about when trying to stay physically fit...i can lift hard all day and i will never be what i was when i was 21. The explosiveness in my muscles is not there anymore...the only way i could come close is with "help". There is absolutely no substitute for natural testosterone when your young....except through illegal means.[/QUOTE]
Testosterone levels are at their highest in the 20's. But doesn't mean we are at our strongest.
A 30-35 year old man 90% of the time is much stronger and bigger than a 21-25 year old man.

[QUOTE=BlackJoker23]prime joel anthony would be a 10x mvp in the 60s. only player to win the award in every single year of the decade. prime russell and wilt = lucky to make high school jv team in todays era[/QUOTE]

As difficult as it is to believe, it looks like there is another poster as dumb as as the Dunce & Dickwad twins. (Unless, of course, all three are one in the same?)

[QUOTE=jlauber]As difficult as it is to believe, it looks like there is another poster as dumb as as the Dunce & Dickwad twins. (Unless, of course, all three are one in the same?)[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://reagangirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/old-man-at-computer.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=DKLaker]There are a few very valid points you made......finally:oldlol:

The 3 point line IMO has been the biggest factor.....possibly worst factor to change the game. It single handedly changed every position on the floor, that and the expansion of the league destroyed the classic Center position.

Bob Cousy was a HUGE STAR.....Jerry West.....plenty of guards were huge and were marketed to the extent of the times.

Marketing......YES, but without it the NBA may have folded by now.
In the 70's even the 1980 finals came on TV on tape delay AFTER the 11pm news. Most times if you wanted to watch a game you were up to 2am.
Hell, Magic's first game....I fell asleep briefly like 3 times during the game.....thank god I saw Kareem's winning shot at the buzzer and Magic hugging him like it was the champinship....I was screaming at almost 2am :oldlol: Highlights were limited to a clip or 2....if you were lucky and there was no ESPN or anything of that type.

In the 60's you would've been allowed a crossover if you had one....not the slop they allow today....but something reasonable. Cousy got away with some
stuff. Most guys only had 1 hand they could really dribble with.

Range, yeah meaningless without a 3 point line....you wanted to get the highest percentage shot....closest to the basket if possible.

Fouls....oh yeah, you could hack someone real good for sure.....there were no flagrant fouls.

Athleticism.....you are completely missing the boat here and you need to use common sense here.......if you look at athletic records.....track records and how athletes are faster, stronger and jump higher.......then you can easily understand that today's athletes are far superior. Trust me.....the guys in the 60's couldn't do a Westbrook or Griffin if you paid them double.[/QUOTE]

I still disagree, why do men run faster? Why do they jump higher?

Is usain a half second faster than Owens strictly because of athleticism? Or does the aerodynamic Nike's and speed suits, the cinders/dirt vs impact polymer rubber track surface, the hand-held stopwatch vs lasers have something to do with it....

Flip flop their gear and tell me the difference between them is going to be the same.....

High Jump is WAY different, they jump in different pits, they land on cushions, again - the surface of their starting position isn't dirt anymore, they don't land in SAW DUST - and because of this they can jump belly up and shift their COG. The fosbury flop instantly shot up high jump #'s by about a foot. It wasn't because people suddenly became more athletic, it was because of the new technique.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEt_Xgg8dzc[/url]
1968. Still the 2nd longest jump of [I]all time[/I].

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT-0XxCqV5E&feature=related[/url]
1991 the longest jump of [I]all time.[/I] only an inch and change further

Nobody is even remotely close to those two guys today, the gap between them and the best long-jumpers today is measured in [I]feet[/I]. Even though it's been over 45 years since Beamon jumped and 20 years since Powell jumped

Human athleticism isn't necessarily what's getting better, equipment is. Yes, a guy like Cousy would have benefited from hitting the weights - but then again, so would Anderson Verajao.

Gus Johnson isn't flying as high as Blake Griffin?... then, I guess neither was Jordan? - Dawkins? - 'Nique? - Erving?... Come on it's probably just not in the back of your mind all the time... athleticism isn't all of the sudden superior because Griffin throws the ball through the hoop. I'm thinking... the constant replays from the most carefully selected camera angles out of a dozen to choose from, and the heart-attack reaction that all the fans, players, and announcers have + ESPN and Youtube keeping the action right in your face - replaying it over and over [I]telling[/I] you how amazing it was has more to do with this perceived athleticism improvement than anything else. Good marketing is powerful. Griffin's dunks are powerful. But IMHO they aren't [I]more[/I] athletic than the other skywalkers that have played throughout NBA history.

And remember, break-away rims is another thing that enhanced the dunk, and they weren't invented until 1979, before '79 you weren't allowed to "hang" on rims because they would shatter too easily. Dawkins shattered 3 in a short span and the NBA had to develop a rim that would bend down after 220lbs of pressure to alleviate the board from breaking and the fans quickly loved the emphatic split second hang's, plus that added "snap" sound of the spring recoil. It's all part of the theater. Then, players started hanging A LOT on the rims (Like Shaq). That stuff simply wasn't allowed at one point. Now, for further icing on the cake they actually have microphones in the net and rim. The NBA is an entertainment industry, and entertainment technology has rapidly improved. Much more so than league-wide athleticism.


And lifting weights, in a way, comes at the expense of agility and durability particularly for the big guys - though the smaller point guards do benefit from it I think since it doesn't erode their knees as quickly. But be honest does it really look like there's more athleticism today to you?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS1GJ5wxyTc[/url]
~1980
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiiHmlK9Bi4[/url]
~2012

[QUOTE=bwink23]They aren't excuses at all...the myth that weight training would ruin your flexibility and agility extended all the way into the 1980's. Chicago Cub great Ryne Sandberg gave an interview talking about how they were encouraged NOT to lift weights to maintain flexibility. Just look at the athletes in the 80's in baseball and basketball....then look at them in the 1990's when weight lifting started to become the norm....Just look guys like Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman before weights...they didn't start lifting until their mid-20's...Jordan didn't start until he was 26,27 years old. Then look at them after..

If your implying that somehow humans have evolved genetically over the last 50-60 years, your sadly mistaken..kids today grow up eating hormone-laced meat. Give Jerry West undetectable HGH for 6 months on weight training i guarantee he will put on 10-15 pounds of lean muscle.....GET A CLUE[/QUOTE]

but wilt was curling 340 lbs and boning 3 girls at the same time in an era with no weights :hammerhead:

show me any scrub from the 60s ever getting up like this

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFmJioyrEms[/url]

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Testosterone levels are at their highest in the 20's. But doesn't mean we are at our strongest.
[B]A 30-35 year old man 90% of the time is much stronger and bigger than a 21-25 year old man.[/B][/QUOTE]


That is a flat-out LIE....Your muscles are primed for strength and explosion in your 20's. Your "heaviness" increases as you age, but your don't "get stronger"...:rolleyes:

I got down to high school weight and fat index 2 years ago when i was 33...no matter how hard i tried, i still came in 20 pounds under my high school max bench. And i was taking Jack3D to kill the pain. I was no where close to my explosive high school jump....and i rarely trained my legs in high school.

I repeat...there is NO SUBSTITUTE for elevated testosterone...NONE.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow][IMG]http://reagangirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/old-man-at-computer.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/dy_carter.jpg[/IMG]:lol :lol :lol

[QUOTE=jlauber]As difficult as it is to believe, it looks like there is another poster as dumb as as the Dunce & Dickwad twins. (Unless, of course, all three are one in the same?)[/QUOTE]
as difficult as it is to believe your old dumbass is still in front of a lap top with drops of tears rolling down his saggy ass cheeks and drops of piss rolling down his legs still trying to convince wilt chamerlain was actually a player capable of holding his own vs candace parker yet nobody gives a fukk about ur long winded ass posts with those random ass full caps words LIKE this

get the fukk outta here u insignific[b]u[/b]nt b1tch

[QUOTE=RRR3][IMG]http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/dy_carter.jpg[/IMG]:lol :lol :lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah because I'm 10 :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Yeah because I'm 10 :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Sorry, Duece, didn't realize you hadn't had your birthday yet. How's third grade going, by the way?

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]A 22 year old man compared to a 30-35 year old man is a big difference most of the time (ofcourse there some people that are different)
and it's not because they've been working out, they're just bigger and wider[/QUOTE]


Here's a quote from an article....

In large part, that's because we lose muscle cells as we age. When younger muscle cells get damaged, they're quickly repaired. That's not the case with older muscles, according to UCLA researcher and geriatrician Jonathan Wanagat. He says we don't know why muscles literally shrink as we age. But there are a number of theories.

"I think one of the ones that have become increasingly interesting and popular is the idea that the stem cells in the muscle are not able to respond to damage or to aging the way they did when we were younger," says Wanagat. And if damaged muscle cells aren't repaired, they sort of whittle away and die, he says. Decreases in growth hormone, testosterone and estrogen levels may also account for the loss of muscle fiber and the inability of tissue to replenish itself.

[QUOTE=bwink23]That is a flat-out LIE....Your muscles are primed for strength and explosion in your 20's. Your "heaviness" increases as you age, but your don't "get stronger"...:rolleyes:

I got down to high school weight and fat index 2 years ago when i was 33...no matter how hard i tried, i still came in 20 pounds under my high school max bench. And i was taking Jack3D to kill the pain. I was no where close to my explosive high school jump....and i rarely trained my legs in high school.

I repeat...there is NO SUBSTITUTE for elevated testosterone...NONE.[/QUOTE]
What the hell is wrong with you?
You're telling me 21-25 year olds can beat up 30-35 year olds? :facepalm :oldlol:

[QUOTE=RRR3]Sorry, Duece, didn't realize you hadn't had your birthday yet. How's third grade going, by the way?[/QUOTE]
it's going good. I learned how to multiply today! Was so fun

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]What the hell is wrong with you?
You're telling me 21-25 year olds can beat up 30-35 year olds? :facepalm :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


Umm...what does that have to do with anything??? There are alot of factors that effect that outcome.

How old are you, seriously.

[QUOTE=bwink23]Umm...what does that have to do with anything??? There are alot of factors that effect that outcome.

How old are you, seriously.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking on AVERAGE
I'm 10 just like RRR3 said :D

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][IMG]http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/015/orly.jpg[/IMG]

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You know guyz double the size of a 327lb dude?

Dayum u kno sum fat f_cks... of course they can't curl 100lbs :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


I obviously meant girth wise, and i'm not surprised he's over 300 at 7 ****ing feet tall. :lol I've seen dozens of dozens of vids and pics of wilt and i don't find that at all plausible. I'd believe he had a 450 lb bench press (even at that height) before i'd believe he could curl a 100 lb dumbbell in one hand. :roll: At my gym there are plenty of guys who make Wilt look like a string bean (i'm talking Phil Phister lites) and i've never once seen a curl with one hand [B]close[/B] to 100 lb So excuse my skepticism :roll:

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]it's going good. I learned how to multiply today! Was so fun[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/10/3/128675406851597408.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=bwink23]That is a flat-out LIE....Your muscles are primed for strength and explosion in your 20's. Your "heaviness" increases as you age, but your don't "get stronger"...:rolleyes:

I got down to high school weight and fat index 2 years ago when i was 33...no matter how hard i tried, i still came in 20 pounds under my high school max bench. And i was taking Jack3D to kill the pain. [/QUOTE]


Train harder, the average age for strongman competitions is 32.

For explosive movements being in your early to mid 20s is a lot better, but for pure outright strength typically men in their early to mid 30s are stronger. All you have to do is check the ages of people who set powerlifting records, mostly early 30s.

You can attribute it to roids or HGH, but a lot of younger powerlifters are doing that as well.

Wilt at 17

[IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/11ahisi.jpg[/IMG]

Wilt in mid 20s

[IMG]http://images.collectors.com/smrweb/smr1206/5980054_Wilt_Chamberlain_76.jpg[/IMG]

Wilt 30+

[IMG]http://www.thetoptensite.com/images/Wilt-Chamberlain-.jpeg[/IMG]

Common sense bwink

old senile fools in this thread trying to deny the truth about their idols from the 60s :lol

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]I'm talking on AVERAGE
I'm 10 just like RRR3 said :D[/QUOTE]


I can gauge how old you are from your responses...your probably around 15 years old. Think your funny, know-it-all and all that stuff to be expected from young kids, and that's fine....but your arguing against nature and common sense.

Look no further than the best athletes in the world today....how old are they?? How many30-year olds do you know who are considered the best athletes in ANY sport?? i'm talking pure athleticism....your supposed to be an NBA fan, you should know what the ages of athletic peak are for basketball players.

[QUOTE=bwink23]I can gauge how old you are from your responses...your probably around 15 years old. Think your funny, know-it-all and all that stuff to be expected from young kids, and that's fine....but your arguing against nature and common sense.

Look no further than the best athletes in the world today....how old are they?? You know are 30-year olds who are considered the best athletes in ANY sport?? i'm talking pur athleticism....your supposed to be an NBA fan, you should know what the ages of athletic peak are for basketball players.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about strength :facepalm and how big you are which is basically strength
For a 35 year old you're pretty stupid

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]I'm talking about strength :facepalm and how big you are which is basically strength
For a 35 year old you're pretty stupid[/QUOTE]


Size doesn't equal strength.....like i said, your just being a brat...:facepalm

You don't "get stronger" as you age, that's just flat out silly....

[QUOTE=bwink23]I can gauge how old you are from your responses...your probably around 15 years old. Think your funny, know-it-all and all that stuff to be expected from young kids, and that's fine....but your arguing against nature and common sense.

Look no further than the best athletes in the world today....how old are they?? You know are 30-year olds who are considered the best athletes in ANY sport?? i'm talking pur athleticism....your supposed to be an NBA fan, you should know what the ages of athletic peak are for basketball players.[/QUOTE]

are you just retarded? youth and athleticism go hand and hand ... but you are at your strongest in your late 20s and early 30s when your metabolism has slowed down

was Jordan stronger during his later years or in his early years of athleticism? The body naturally loses athleticism and compromises for it in strength

[QUOTE=bwink23]Size doesn't equal strength.....like i said, your just being a brat...:facepalm

You don't "get stronger" as you age, that's just flat out silly....[/QUOTE]
ok...20 year olds are stronger than 30 year olds...
c'mon man

[QUOTE=bwink23]Size doesn't equal strength.....like i said, your just being a brat...:facepalm

You don't "get stronger" as you age, that's just flat out silly....[/QUOTE]

more mass = more "strength"

you peak in strength in the late 20s and early 30s and after that you're stagnant and then you begin to start to deteriorate ....


[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]ok...20 year olds are stronger than 30 year olds...
c'mon man[/QUOTE]


developing bodies are stronger than developed bodies .... :facepalm

[QUOTE=HighFlyer23]are you just retarded? youth and athleticism go hand and hand ... but you are at your strongest in your late 20s and early 30s when your metabolism has slowed down

was Jordan stronger during his later years or in his early years of athleticism? The body naturally loses athleticism and compromises for it in strength[/QUOTE]


Jordan didn't start any strength training regimen until he was already 26, 27 years old....he wouldn't have been a skinny dude coming into the league if he had started his junior year in college...

This is all very much common sense.

[QUOTE=bwink23]Jordan didn't start any strength training regimen until he was already 26, 27 years old....he wouldn't have been a skinny dude coming into the league if he had started his junior year in college...

This is all very much common sense.[/QUOTE]

even if he didn't you still think a 23 year Jordan would be physically stronger than a 32 year old Jordan?

[QUOTE=HighFlyer23]more mass = more "strength"

you peak in strength in the late 20s and early 30s and after that you're stagnant and then you begin to start to deteriorate ....





developing bodies are stronger than developed bodies .... :facepalm[/QUOTE]
bwinks is 35 and doesn't know this stuff and also doesn't know the difference between your and you're

[QUOTE=HighFlyer23][B]more mass = more "strength"
[/B]
you peak in strength in the late 20s and early 30s and after that you're stagnant and then you begin to start to deteriorate ....





developing bodies are stronger than developed bodies .... :facepalm[/QUOTE]


That is not even a true statement....Your body mass consists of your bone density, fat index, and muscle mass....your body puts more fat on, and wants to hold onto that fat as you age. Your bone density also decreases as you age. You can appear bigger, but lack the lean muscle for the explosive movements when training for a specific sport. Not to mention to decrease in testosterone that robs you of the ABILITY to put on lean mass the much higher rate you can in your early 20's...

Again...this is all physiology 101.

[QUOTE=HighFlyer23]even if he didn't you still think a 23 year Jordan would be physically stronger than a 32 year old Jordan?[/QUOTE]


YES....a 23 year old Jordan who would have started lifting at 16 in high school (just like top recruits do these days) would be physically and more importantly FUNCTIONALLY stronger than he would be at 32.....His explosiveness would not even be comparable.

[QUOTE=bwink23]Jordan didn't start any strength training regimen until he was already 26, 27 years old....he wouldn't have been a skinny dude coming into the league if he had started his junior year in college...

This is all very much common sense.[/QUOTE]


That's not true man:


[quote]"Smith says Jordan is the hardest worker he's ever coached. In high school Jordan hustled so, he was nicknamed The Rabbit. Rabbit, run. When he enrolled at Chapel Hill, Jordan ran the 40-yard dash in 4.6 seconds. This fall he ran a 4.3. By running and [b]lifting weights[/b] he has substantially built up his upper body and gained 12 pounds in two years, most of it in the shoulders."[/quote]

[QUOTE=HighFlyer23]are you just retarded? youth and athleticism go hand and hand ... but you are at your strongest in your late 20s and early 30s when your metabolism has slowed down

was Jordan stronger during his later years or in his early years of athleticism? The body naturally loses athleticism and compromises for it in strength[/QUOTE]


Your metabolism would not be an issue as long as your eating the correct the amount of foods...Michael Phelps was known to take in 12,000 calories a day during training...on the surface he doesn't look like much, but in reality he's one the most explosive swimmers in Olympic history...the power he generates through the water is incredible.

osteopenia occurs in like your late 50s and 60s you moron

just stfu you have no idea how the body develops ... you are technically still "growing" in your early 20s ....

those explosive movements are related with youth and not so much on strength

[QUOTE=abuC]That's not true man:[/QUOTE]


OH MY BAD...he did a "little weight training " in college, but most of that mass is from MATURING from an 18 year old to a 21 year old. It is well known that Jordan would brag about not picking up a weight in the off-season early in his career(electing to play tons of golf), and still maintain his athleticism and slender physique....:facepalm

Your body starts going down hill at 40, not in your 30s.

[QUOTE=HighFlyer23]osteopenia occurs in like your late 50s and 60s you moron

just stfu you have no idea how the body develops ... you are technically still "growing" in your early 20s ....

those explosive movements are related with youth and not so much on strength[/QUOTE]


I know more than you do and that's obvious...you can still be strong in your late 20's...after that your testosterone dips...but to say "you get stronger as you age" is ridiculous. :facepalm

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Your body starts going down hill at 40, not in your 30s.[/QUOTE]


LOL....:facepalm ....WOW....do me a favor and GROW UP...."Testosterone loss in men is a gradual process. Testosterone decline starts around age 30, and may drop 1% to 3 % per year depending on genetics and lifestyle. That means that men can sustain a 20% drop in testosterone by age 50, and a 50% drop by age 80. Each man may experience the symptoms of a decline in testosterone differently depending on what his normal was at his hormonal peak. Often the symptoms are ignored or rationalized away until the resultant decreased functioning becomes a way of life."

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Your body starts going down hill at 40, not in your 30s.[/QUOTE]


CALL ME WHEN YOU TURN 35, and tell me you have the same energy, strength and explosiveness you did when you were 18...
That is assuming you will be lifting weights when your 18. I started when i was 15.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Wilt at 17

[IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/11ahisi.jpg[/IMG]

Wilt in mid 20s

[IMG]http://images.collectors.com/smrweb/smr1206/5980054_Wilt_Chamberlain_76.jpg[/IMG]

Wilt 30+

[IMG]http://www.thetoptensite.com/images/Wilt-Chamberlain-.jpeg[/IMG]

Common sense bwink[/QUOTE]
again bwink that is how most men develop like