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[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]They would mark it up even more to pay the person serving it a livable wage.[/QUOTE]
You do know bartenders usually show off claiming they pull in over $1000 on a good night.
Thats more than what a normal person makes in a week.
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[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]You do know bartenders usually show off claiming they pull in over $1000 on a good night.
Thats more than what a normal person makes in a week.[/QUOTE]
So go become a bartender. No one is stopping you. A basketball player makes millions for playing a children's game. Life ain't fair.
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[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]So go become a bartender. No one is stopping you. A basketball player makes millions for playing a children's game. Life ain't fair.[/QUOTE]
You're right...so i'm not going to tip them. Life isn't fair...tough.
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[QUOTE=red1]btw tips are often split between staff so the cook might be getting some of your tip too[/QUOTE]
rarely. Generally the tips are split to busboys, bartenders, and other front of house staff. It is not very common for the cook or dishwasher to get a cut.
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[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]You're right...so i'm not going to tip them. Life isn't fair...tough.[/QUOTE]
YAY! We've made progress. That's the beauty of the system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't want to tip? Don't!
Just remember the day everyone starts doing that is the day prices go up though.
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[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]Why does America have this consensus that people should tip 15%?
I mean these waitress/waiters are making at least minimum wage PLUS tips. This is almost $20-40 per hour. How is that even fair? Thats a very very good wage for someone without a college education and doing some trifling work.
Other jobs like CPAs or attorneys do not get tipped. In fact, with these occupations, people try to take advantage of them and demand free consultations before even signing a retainer with them
No other occupation requires tips, but why restaurants? If those waiters/waitress feel they are underpaid, they can always get another job.
People who work much harder jobs don't even make $20 per hour.[/QUOTE]
If there was any doubt, now we know you're black.
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[QUOTE=boozehound]rarely. Generally the tips are split to busboys, bartenders, and other front of house staff. It is not very common for the cook or dishwasher to get a cut.[/QUOTE]
Cooks and dishwashers are usually paid higher wages to compensate.
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[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]YAY! We've made progress. That's the beauty of the system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't want to tip? Don't!
Just remember the day everyone starts doing that is the day prices go up though.[/QUOTE]
Then you make sure those waiters don't get all angry and start calling me an asshole.
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[QUOTE=andgar923]If there was any doubt, now we know you're black.[/QUOTE]
I'm asian.
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Meh, the way I have always viewed it is that the tip is the way I directly pay the waitstaff for the service they provide me. The price of the meal is what I pay the chef/restaurant for the food/cooking and the tip is what I pay the waitstaff for attending to me needs and cleaning my shit up after I'm done.
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[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]Then you make sure those waiters don't get all angry and start calling me an asshole.[/QUOTE]
Oh that's the worst thing in the world to be called an asshole.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
You don't believe in it? Don't do it?
And if someone calls you an asshole, take it like a man and move on.
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[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]Oh that's the worst thing in the world to be called an asshole.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
You don't believe in it? Don't do it?
And if someone calls you an asshole, take it like a man and move on.[/QUOTE]
You can also tell those servers not to come out of the restaurant after me for not tipping.
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[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]Meh, the way I have always viewed it is that the tip is the way I directly pay the waitstaff for the service they provide me. The price of the meal is what I pay the chef/restaurant for the food/cooking and the tip is what I pay the waitstaff for attending to me needs and cleaning my shit up after I'm done.[/QUOTE]
Servers get paid on top of your tips.
Busboys clean your table. Servers only give you ur damn food. They don't even give you a fork anymore because the busboys set the tables for them.
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[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]I'm asian.[/QUOTE]
What is your view of tipping in general? Barber shops? Movers? Valet?
What about how some restaurants slap an 18% mandatory gratuity on your receipt when you come in with a group of 6 or more (speaking of NYC, but if this were to apply to you). Would you have a problem with that?
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[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]Servers get paid on top of your tips.
Busboys clean your table. Servers only give you ur damn food. They don't even give you a fork anymore because the busboys set the tables for them.[/QUOTE]
But I make more than them anyway so I don't give a shit. :confusedshrug:
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[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]What is your view of tipping in general? Barber shops? Movers? Valet?
What about how some restaurants slap an 18% mandatory gratuity on your receipt when you come in with a group of 6 or more (speaking of NYC, but if this were to apply to you). Would you have a problem with that?[/QUOTE]
I dont' want to tip any of these people. I do it because social stigma dictates that i do it.
For the mandatory gratuity, I avoid these places altogether.
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[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]Cooks and dishwashers are usually paid higher wages to compensate.[/QUOTE]
that is true. They have to be paid minimum wage, whereas servers/bartenders do not. Still, when I was in the industry, the servers killed what we made. I made ~15/hour at my last cooking gig and the servers there would generally clear 200-300 per dinner shift. So, here I am, actually making all of the delicious food and walking away with 60-90 a night (depending on the day and what post I was stationed at), while the person who brought them the food made more than 3 times that much? Always made me mad, but I digress.
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[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]I dont' want to tip any of these people. I do it because social stigma dictates that i do it.
For the mandatory gratuity, I avoid these places altogether.[/QUOTE]
just be a dick and dont tip then. who cares what they think of you? Just dont frequent a place enough that they know who you are.
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[QUOTE=The Macho Man]Yeah, if you're gonna be an asshole don't be upset when someone calls you an asshole[/QUOTE]
So now i'm the asshole for not tipping???
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[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]So now i'm the asshole for not tipping???[/QUOTE]
The way I see it either you TIP or they raise the prices, if they raise the prices they raise the salaries which means the waitresses won't work as hard to please you.
Next time don't be a asshole and tip.
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[QUOTE=The Macho Man]No, I'm the asshole for tipping.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Loneshot]All valid points. People who've worked in retail know the hell it can be to work in retail, yet no one complaining about those people not getting tips. And please no one bring in the under minimum wage excuse, not for places like California.
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so you must be a bigger asshole for not tipping your bagger or janitor.
Or what about being an asshole for demanding tips or threaten to spit in your food.
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[QUOTE=boozehound]that is true. They have to be paid minimum wage, whereas servers/bartenders do not. Still, when I was in the industry, the servers killed what we made. I made ~15/hour at my last cooking gig and the servers there would generally clear 200-300 per dinner shift. So, here I am, actually making all of the delicious food and walking away with 60-90 a night (depending on the day and what post I was stationed at), while the person who brought them the food made more than 3 times that much? Always made me mad, but I digress.[/QUOTE]
Customer service is just as and at times more important than the food itself.
Go to review sites and people will praise the food, but stop going to a restaurant based on the service. Then there's restaurants that are just okay, but customer service brings people back.
Shit, I know many people that stopped going to restaurants due to bad service even tho they loved the food there.
I do understand your POV, but they play a huge role in the success of a restaurant.
I tip generally tip well. If the service isn't up to par I pay the minimum, only once have I tipped inappropriately. A server was rude and I wanted to kick his ass, but to make a point I left 50cents as a tip. I tend to get good-great service for the most part, rarely have I received sub par service and if I did, the server was always apologetic. Usually because they were busy and whatnot, so I can understand.
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[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]If tipping was eliminated then prices will go up. FACT! The market would eventually even itself out to where you would be spending about the same amount of money as you were when tipping. Now your forced to pay regardless of the kind of service you get, with no option to not tip. It's pretty freaking simple.[/QUOTE]
This. Then you'll be stuck with high costs at restaurants as well as shitty service, just like here in Australia. It's pretty damn obvious those crying about tipping are those who mad as hell they we're too dumb to get a decent education, thus a job. Get a job you bums. Maybe as a waiter, seeing as though you think they're swimming in cash.
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They may get paid Min wage but getting the hours is hard. Most waiters in CA don't even get 20 hours a week. My neighbor works at 2 restaurants just to make ends meet while she goes to school.
$8 dollars an hour might be considered a fair wage but when you can only work 15 hours a week it's nowhere near enough to live on
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I have a few questions for some of you:
Why do you tip based on a % of your bill? What if you came with some friends and you all snacked on appetizers and tossed back some drinks, requiring more frequent stops to your table but netting a relatively small bill. Do you still tip 15-20%?
What if an Applebee's server gave you great service but a server at a more high end restaurant gave you just above average service, do you tip the above average guy more because your bill was more?
I just don't get why people gauge their tips based on what their meal cost, and not on what they feel the server actually deserved for what they did. Or, for that matter, why 2-3 bucks is considered a bad or average tip.
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People are so locked into their way of thinking that they fail to realize that other countries have cultures(yes there is civilization outside of NA) that tipping isn't mainstream. They do their job just because they have work ethic and don't need extra incentive to give their best. Sundizz touched on this, ShannonElements also did YEARS ago. So restaurants do survive without tips. It actually happens guys.
The vast majority of us tip on this board and we all have our own reasons. I hate the concept and agree with Rad's breakdown, it's basically extortion. Growing up my mom was a waitress and my dad was a dishwasher/cook. I was raised to tip well but even they don't like the economics of the business. It's all ****ed.
The concept of paying your employee like shit and making them rely on the customer doubly for a living wage is downright sinister.