Perhaps "careless choice" is better wording...you're right
Sorry if "careless mistake" rubs some of you the wrong way...mistakes are mistakes though, and getting in a car drunk is careless...it fits imo but whatever
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Perhaps "careless choice" is better wording...you're right
Sorry if "careless mistake" rubs some of you the wrong way...mistakes are mistakes though, and getting in a car drunk is careless...it fits imo but whatever
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]Perhaps "careless choice" is better wording...you're right
Sorry if "careless mistake" rubs some of you the wrong way...mistakes are mistakes though, and getting in a car drunk is careless...it fits imo but whatever[/QUOTE]
Careless is accidentally bleaching your colored sheets. Driving drunk is reckless, dangerous and possibly deadly. When you are piloting a 4 thousand pound hunk of metal at high speeds you have a huge and very serious responsibility.
I had to take several classes ny MAD (mothers against drunk driving) and many of them reffered to it as a "careless mistake"
Saying things like "its sad my son lost his life to someone else's careless mistake"
That's where I got that phrase with this...would post links of them using that phrase but im on phone
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]no one ever feels bad for the driver...who wasn't out looking to kill anyone...and just made a careless mistake, something that I bet most here over the age of 25 have done at some point
it's very very tragic but the driver didn't deserve to be executed like that...[/QUOTE]
How dumb are you. Careless mistake my a$$. It's called you being a selfish f*ck putting everyone's life at risk who is on the road because you are fu*king retarded. Feel bad for the driver my a$$. He is pretty much a murderer.
no, they aren't pretty much murders...most of them are just careless kids who are intoxicated
speaking of MADD, many of them are the mothers of the actual drunk driver who died...they will get you to feel for their son's death and plead for you not to make the same costly mistake.
is "costly mistake" okay for you?
There's a difference between making the careless (or even reckless) decision to get behind the wheel of a vehicle and operate it under the influence, while on sleep medication, other narcotics, etc. and simply making the decision to murder someone in cold blood ... yes people, there is a difference.
Just like PT pointed out way earlier in this thread, the law agrees. Most of you in this thread believe fair and complete justice was served, but that doesn't mean you're right. The actual law disagrees with the majority of you people in this thread, and rightfully so.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]Perhaps "careless choice" is better wording...you're right
Sorry if "careless mistake" rubs some of you the wrong way...mistakes are mistakes though, and getting in a car drunk is careless...it fits imo but whatever[/QUOTE]
Dude just put yourself in the situation, if someone close to you got killed.. would you be brushing it off as a careless mistake a careless choice? Is that how you would approach it? Your lack of perspective is whats bothering people.
How would you want a person that killed someone you know drunk driving to be punished?
[QUOTE=OhNoTimNoSho]Dude just put yourself in the situation, if someone close to you got killed.. would you be brushing it off as a careless mistake a careless choice? Is that how you would approach it? Your lack of perspective is whats bothering people.
[COLOR="Red"]How would you want a person that killed someone you know drunk driving to be punished[/COLOR]?[/QUOTE]
again, *broken record* Im not "brushing anything off"...and IMO it is most of you that lack perspective on this subject, I'm the one that has gone through all the DUI classes and MADD meetings
but to answer your question it completely depends upon the person driving...if it was some 19 year old college girl coming back from a party then I would be more understanding than if it was a 50 year old man covered in tats drinking a beer while driving who has 20 DUIs under his belt, and if that is the case I might actually want death for him...perhaps the law would too, idk for that situation
One of the MADD meetings I took, the mother of a victim was giving a speach with the mother of the driver who killed her child (who also died that night)...they were friends, and both felt for each other's loss...both preached to not make the same mistake
Drunk driving laws have become stricter and stricter over the years, so it's headed in the right direction, and there's still work to be done, but IMO, the laws are fair.
I've had two DUI's BTW.
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]You being a confirmed drunk driver won't help drive home your point.
That's the same thing. Just because one guy was caught more doesn't mean he's worse. Assault is assault, drunk driving is drunk driving, murder is murder. For something like this it doesn't matter who commits it from a moral standpoint, only their jail time.
And f*ck the guy might have wanted to die once the law took over. Killing two kids from drunk driving, losing a massive legal battle, money given to the victims' family, shitloads of jail time. Getting killed might've been the lucky way out. (The murderer is obviously bad too.)[/QUOTE]
no, as viewed by the law and by myself multpile strikes does certainly matter...a first time offender is not viewed anywhere the same as a repeat offender by the judge
the way you are wording it all drunking driving should be the exact same punishment, even if you were lucky enough to not kill anyone...but that isn't reality.
I like the 3-strike rule, I think that drunk driving is a crime that one should get another chance on...but if it is shown it is a constant problem - prison
[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]
Now apparently the fact that one kid was on his way to the hospital it's incredibly relevant and important, the other one laying dead it's of no importance and it's irrelevant. And apparently these "people" are not only a fathers but a "good" fathers! lol
"Hey look you killed my son while driving drunk, but that's ok, the other one is going to the hospital, wanna go for drink? Now if you killed them both, man you would be in trouble!"
Seriously how retarded can you be?
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I can only assume the first paragraph is a response to me since I pointed it out.
Here's the relevance:
Barajas did not know the driver was drunk. It was proven later.
Barajas did not know both of his children were dead. One died after being transported to the hospital.
All accounts of the story have Barajas going back into his home before returning to shoot the other man -- in the head.
Barajas could have spent those minutes helping his one son clinging to life. Crying for help to neighbors, passersby, family, whoever. He made the terrible choice to go back inside the house, get a gun and execute this man. He's a much less sympathetic figure to me because of these actions.
[QUOTE=mrpuente]911 would have been called either way.
Anyways 1 dying would have been enough to kill either way.
I cant believe we are still arguing this.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if this touches you personally, or what it is. There's no "enough" granting a license to kill in this situation.
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]:oldlol: Arguing over the choice of words used to describe drunk driving. Primetime has sucked you all in.[/QUOTE]
no they sucked me in[I]..."careless mistake is too kind, use the word 'reckless' instead please"[/I] :facepalm
it's so silly and insignificant in this debate
*goes on to read article where Mother's Against Drunk Driving use the exact words "carelss mistake"
reckless/costly/careless/desasterous/horrible/awful/etc mistake...just pick one and move on
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Yeah I said the amount of times you're caught matters for your sentence, but not from a moral point. If you do something terrible once or ten times it's still terrible.
All drunk driving should have the same base punishment, and then escalate it for each repeated offense, manslaughter, how far over the limit, etc. - It's like that now,[B] but it should be harsher right off the bat[/B]. Increase the stigma.
I mean how many times does the average person drive drunk before they were caught? Probably a few.
Three strikes sounds fine in principal, but one do over should be enough. You should get one f*ck up if it wasn't too serious. Your own personal drunk driving is very easy to control, it's all on the individual and how much they value their life, car, privilege to drive, insurance rate, and other people.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if the laws are still the same but when I lived in Germany if a cop stopped you for suspicion of drunk driving you would get a blood test on the spot (no right to refuse). It was illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to have any alcohol in their system. Over 21 the legal limit was 0.05%. If you're over the limit your car is confiscated and sold. Your license is taken for 6 mo.s and you have to pay a hefty fine and/or face jail time depending on the % of alcohol in your system. A 2nd violation involves a lengthy prison sentence and revocation of your license.
So despite a strong drinking culture, Germans generally avoid driving drunk. Of course it helps that they have a great public transportation system.
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Yeah I said the amount of times you're caught matters for your sentence, but not from a moral point. If you do something terrible once or ten times it's still terrible.
All drunk driving should have the same base punishment, and then escalate it for each repeated offense, manslaughter, how far over the limit, etc. - It's like that now, but it should be harsher right off the bat. Increase the stigma.
I mean how many times does the average person drive drunk before they were caught? Probably a few.
Three strikes sounds fine in principal, but one do over should be enough. You should get one f*ck up if it wasn't too serious. Your own personal drunk driving is very easy to control, it's all on the individual and how much they value their life, car, privilege to drive, insurance rate, and other people.[/QUOTE]
for many people one time IS the eye-opener
and yes some people can get away with it literally hundreds of times before caught
kids are stupid...you can tell a child a million times to "say no to drugs" but most will still say yes at some point. In fact telling them not to do something can make them want to do it more. They have to find out for themselves. And once a kid drives drunk once and gets away with they start to think they are above the norm...[I]"oh but I am great drunk driver"[/I]...they don't learn until something bad actually happens. I knew dozens of people with this mind set when I was a youngster...eyes don't open until DUIs start getting handed out.
That's why I like the 3-strike system...I am willing to accept the fact that kids are dumb and do dumb things, esp when drunk.
In my much younger years I had two DUIs back-to-back within a 3 year period. As a result, I automatically lost my license for 4 years, and then after the 4 years, I had to have a breathalyzer on my vehicle for 3 additional years. At the time, I thought my life was over, I thought the penalty was way too harsh, etc. Today, I think it was pretty fair, especially considering the hundreds of times I've driven drunk, I could have killed someone (thank God that never happened). Even still to this day (until Oct 11th of 2014) I have a 0.00 tolerance meaning if I get pulled and blow anything up until that date, automatic 3rd DUI offense.
Many would say that's harsh punishment. I think it's fair. Some say it isn't enough.
I've had two DUIs ... should I be locked up for life? WHAT IF I was unfortunate enough to have say my first DUI ... say it was only my 2nd time driving drunk ever, and I just happen to slam into someone, killing them.
Who deserves the more harsh punishment, the guy who's driven 100+ times drunk out of his mind or the guy who only his 2nd time got behind the wheel and slammed into said dead subject?
:confusedshrug:
The laws are designed a specific way for a reason. Raw emotion shouldn't drive the law... logic should. LOL, which is why so many of you are so off on this "the drunk driver deserved it" etc bullshit.
Damn Josh...yeah if you get one more you're gone
hope that is behind you
The father was a dumbass. Pull the car off to the side of the road, walk home, worry about it in the morning.
Not to mention that he ran out gas at night with his kids in the car.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]Damn Josh...yeah if you get one more you're gone
hope that is behind you[/QUOTE]
Yeah all that drinking bullshit is behind me. I just have to make sure my nose doesn't have residue blue powder from the Roxy 30 I may have just crushed up minutes before.
[QUOTE=tontoz]The father was a dumbass. Pull the car off to the side of the road, walk home, worry about it in the morning.[/QUOTE]
I wanted to say this as well but didn't because I thought I would get mobbed harder...but he was stupid
"dark rural roads" is NOT the right place to have your sons pushing your car for fcks sake...that is almost asking for a drunk driver to hit you
and he was in walking distances of his own home...just walk home and do it in the morning...in the light, where drivers can see and are sober
Breaking News: Cars can have head/tail lights on without gas being present in the car.
[QUOTE=Just2McFly]Breaking News: Cars can have head/tail lights on without gas being present in the car.[/QUOTE]
still dangerous as fck though...even if he had his hazards on
I really hate even just driving down dark unlit country ass roads like that...I try to avoid it at all costs...no way I am getting out to change a tire or anything like that, much less have my kids out there with me when my home is in walking distance. Not saying he is to blame because of it, but he did put his own kids in harms way by doing that.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]still dangerous as fck though...even if he had his hazards on
I really hate even just driving down dark unlit country ass roads like that...I try to avoid it at all costs...no way I am getting out to change a tire or anything like that, much less have my kids out there with me when my home is in walking distance. Not saying he is to blame because of it, but he did put his own kids in harms way by doing that.[/QUOTE]
As someone who's lived in the south a long time this was one of my 1st questions. Why was he having his sons push his car on an unlit country road (the ones where you cant see 10 feet in front of you) Even though brake lights or whatever stay on i would never ever get out to do what he had his two sons do in the middle of the night. I wouldn't blame him for his kids death either but its almost as if he's inviting something dangerous to happen :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Mach_3]As someone who's lived in the south a long time this was one of my 1st questions. Why was he having his sons push his car on an unlit country road (the ones where you cant see 10 feet in front of you) Even though brake lights or whatever stay on i would never ever get out to do what he had his two sons do in the middle of the night. I wouldn't blame him for his kids death either but its almost as if he's inviting something dangerous to happen :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
yeah, I bet his sons were blocking the tail lights too...
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]yeah, I bet his sons were blocking the tail lights too...[/QUOTE]
It's terribly unfortunate no matter how we slice the pie... the drunk driver was at fault, but so was the dad mad out of his mind.
I can find sympathy for both parties, and despite what most will think, that is with or without me having a DUI to my name.
No one is perfect, we all make mistakes. I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but texting while driving will soon pass the DUI related deaths, and ALL OF US are at least guilty of that much.
I'm not trying to compare apples and oranges here, but I recall being a much better driver, staying between the lines, etc. drunk compared to texting where I know I've looked up at the road and found myself in the opposite lane and/or to the right off the road. Can you honestly say you haven't?
yes exactly everyone makes mistakes, no one is perfect...and that goes triple for teens and young adults...as long as there is alcohol and cars there will ALWAYS be young drunks out on the road...
to all the posters in here asking "what would you have done if those were your kids pt?"...let me ask you this...what would you do if it was your son that was the driver?...would you applaud this man for shooting your son and say "my son deserved to be shot in the face" just like you are in here?...pshh, fck no you wouldn't, you'd label him a murderer (which he is)
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Turns out in 2014 a Jury acquitted the father of murder
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/texas-dad-david-barajas-acquitted-murdering-man-who-killed-sons-n190286[/URL]