Charles Barkley: Zimmer was right to be acquitted

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]The media doctored 911 tapes and pictures to create public outcry. The real trayvon Martin, the so-called child who was suspended 10 days from school for being in possesion of stolen jewelery and burglary tools, has been exposed. rest in Peace. Possession is 9/10 of the Law. The first thing trayvons lawyer did was to file a junction to seal trayvons school records. Smart lawyer...

[IMG]http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvonmartin_doctoredphoto.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

lol oh the media .. he went from scary rapist to angelic looking

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]The media doctored 911 tapes and pictures to create public outcry. The real trayvon Martin, the so-called child who was suspended 10 days from school for being in possesion of stolen jewelery and burglary tools, has been exposed. rest in Peace. Possession is 9/10 of the Law. The first thing trayvons lawyer did was to file a junction to seal trayvons school records. Smart lawyer...

[IMG]http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvonmartin_doctoredphoto.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


his school records should have been sealed.. It has nothing to with the fact that he was murdered...

If you get murdered tonight, your online posts should probably be kept out of court or it might prejudice the jury against you

[QUOTE=dude77]I understand peoples' issues with profiling and all that and I know it goes on however ..

if the neighborhood is being terrorized and the perps doing the terrorizing have all been black .. don't you think it's normal to take notice if you see a drugged up, hoodied black guy standing in front of a house that was recently targeted ? ..

I mean if you tell me the neighborhood was being terrorized by a bunch of white boys and he's here taking notice of this black kid then I would more inclined to see the side of the 'racial profiling' crowd .. not in this case though[/QUOTE]

Yeah but the argument is that it should take more than race to make someone a suspect..

If a child gets raped by a pedo, or there is a serial killer on the loose? you cant just harass every white guy you see because they supposedly are the ones who do that stuff..

it violates the rights of a lot of innocent people before you actually spot an actual criminal..

Like I said, if Trayvon is checking car doors to see which ones are unlocked, or if he is on someone's property trying to get in their window... then you have every right to focus on him and peg him as a criminal.. he has to actually be doing something really suspicious though..

The media chose to give us only an image of Mr. Martin from years earlier. they did this to make him out to be perfectly innocent whatever reality he wasn't. The media chose to take a picture of him as a child when he was much younger and they did that for a reason. Another:

[IMG]http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon_martin-01.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=dude77]lol oh the media .. he went from scary rapist to angelic looking[/QUOTE]

Notice how they made Trayvon Martin whiter.

[IMG]http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvonmartin_doctoredphoto.jpg[/IMG]

Does whiter = not guilty in the medias eyes? They took his black away.

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]Notice how they made Trayvon Martin whiter.

[IMG]http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvonmartin_doctoredphoto.jpg[/IMG]

Does whiter = not guilty in the medias eyes? They took his black away.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: good point .. they whitened tm .. unbelievable .. looks like the media are 'racist' themselves

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]Yeah but the argument is that it should take more than race to make someone a suspect..

If a child gets raped by a pedo, or there is a serial killer on the loose? you cant just harass every white guy you see because they supposedly are the ones who do that stuff..

it violates the rights of a lot of innocent people before you actually spot an actual criminal..

Like I said, if Trayvon is checking car doors to see which ones are unlocked, or if he is on someone's property trying to get in their window... then you have every right to focus on him and peg him as a criminal.. he has to actually be doing something really suspicious though..[/QUOTE]

yes and it took more than being black in this case ..

he [I]was[/I] looking suspicious .. wearing a hoodie(commonly used by criminals), standing in the rain in the front yard of a house, aimlessly roaming around .. people have to use their brains a little more .. I've been in situations when I was younger where I looked suspicious .. and guess what ? I knew it .. gotta be cognizant of these things .. and don't tell me 'well tm didn't know anything about burglaries in that town' .. lol burglaries, break-ins happen EVERYWHERE .. you have to be aware of these things ..

listen to the man 8:32

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izPHwAjR5X8[/url]

talking about obama .. "when you're doing things for political gain, it's not cool to sympathize with george zimmerman or his family(who are receiving death threats)right now" lol

"he's doing this to look black again" :applause: on the nail .. oreo obama reminiscing about his gangsta days when he used to make people lock their doors when they saw him walking down the sidewalk :oldlol:

[QUOTE=dude77]yes and it took more than being black in this case ..

he [I]was[/I] looking suspicious .. wearing a hoodie(commonly used by criminals), standing in the rain in the front yard of a house, aimlessly roaming around .. people have to use their brains a little more .. I've been in situations when I was younger where I looked suspicious .. and guess what ? I knew it .. gotta be cognizant of these things .. and don't tell me 'well tm didn't know anything about burglaries in that town' .. lol burglaries, break-ins happen EVERYWHERE .. you have to be aware of these things ..

listen to the man 8:32

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izPHwAjR5X8[/url][/QUOTE]


c'mon man.. :facepalm alot of people wear hoodies.. wearing a hoodie isnt a crime (you always tell people how disobeying the dispatch isnt a crime? well...)

Walking around isnt a crime... no of that stuff you mentioned is criminal.. that not criminal behavior.. it sure doesnt warrant being followed..

Like I said, unless you actually see someone committing REAL suspicious behavior (not wearing a hoodie or walking too slow) you wind up violating alot of innocent people's rights because you [B]think[/B] you see criminals.. That is why profiling is frowned on by people... It violates alot of innocent people in the process and rarely finds any true criminals

he should should have let the police do their job and not tried to be charles f*ckin bronson... Thats what the cops are for..

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]Why the facepalm? AlphaWolf24 is actually right (can't believe I'm saying this)

The concept of race is a human generated concept. It has no scientific bearing and is purely social.

The fact of the matter is there is only one race, and it's the human race.[/QUOTE]

How do you explain the different skull structure and pre-disposed illnesses such as heart disease?

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR][IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qsxtlJ8grzE/TaEZxIDLrOI/AAAAAAAAHHI/0iIpIYaSv_o/s640/race-and-iq_bell_curve_shift.jpeg[/IMG]

How do you explain graphs like that? How do you explain government statistics like these:

[URL="http://www.census.gov/population/hispanic/"]http://www.census.gov/population/hispanic/[/URL]

Hispanic is a race...I can't believe how people would think otherwise.[/QUOTE]

You should check the second link you posted. It says this:

[quote]

People who identify with the terms

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]Notice how they made Trayvon Martin whiter.

[IMG]http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvonmartin_doctoredphoto.jpg[/IMG]

Does whiter = not guilty in the medias eyes? They took his black away.[/QUOTE]

This shit was proved to be false a long time ago. That picture of Trayvon is a picture [i]from a poster someone made and used at a protest[/i]. Of course it isn't going to look the same.

[url]http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40108_Wingnut_Conspiracy_Theory_of_the_Day-_Trayvon_Photo_Was_Lightened_to_Make_Him_Look_Innocent[/url]

The so-called child:

[IMG]http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/t_xlarge_l/v1369399770/trayvon-martin-photos.jpg.pagespeed.ce.098emgSf2k.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon-tattoo.png[/IMG]

His Twitter (Disturbing):

[URL="http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT"]http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT[/URL]

Care to address my last two posts? Or are we just going to continue to throw mud and hope it sticks?

(Oh no! A teenager smoking pot and trying to look mean! [i]AND[/i] a tattoo? Must be a hardcore gang member.)

If you [i]didn't[/i] smoke pot as a teenager, I feel sorry for you. When else can you smoke it and not have to give a **** about responsibilities?

[QUOTE=reppy]Care to address my last two posts? Or are we just going to continue to throw mud and hope it sticks?

(Oh no! A teenager smoking pot and trying to look mean! [i]AND[/i] a tattoo? Must be a hardcore gang member.)

If you [i]didn't[/i] smoke pot as a teenager, I feel sorry for you. When else can you smoke it and not have to give a **** about responsibilities?[/QUOTE]

And the tattoos?!

What do you say about the fact that he was suspended from school, for 10 days, for possession of stolen jewelry and burglary tools?

Nothing.

*crickets*

He was thief. George Zimmerman was right.

no one cares for the facts that he could be a dysfunctional kid ready to commit crimes or may have in the past, thy just care that he was black and got shot down

[QUOTE=bluechox2]no one cares for the facts that he could be a dysfunctional kid ready to commit crimes or may have in the past, thy just care that he was black and got shot down[/QUOTE]
:applause:

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]like I said earlier.. [B]Race as the KEY factor [/B]makes it racial profiling...

"[B]Any police-initiated action [/B]that relies on the race, ethnicity, or national origin rather than the behavior of an individual or information that leads the police to a particular individual who has been identified as being, or having been, engaged in criminal activity." -Deborah Ramirez, Jack McDevitt, Amy Farrell for US"


[/QUOTE]



First of all race was not the key factor. The key factors were location/time of day. If TM acted in the same manner at noon, or was in a different location, it would have been a different story.

Secondly this wasn't a police action.

If you want to make the case for racial profiling you need to stop looking at this case in a nutshell and start focusing on GZ's personal history as a whole.

How many times have you called the cops in your life? I don't think i ever have.

[QUOTE=tontoz]First of all race was not the key factor. The key factors were location/time of day. If TM acted in the same manner at noon, or was in a different location, it would have been a different story.

Secondly this wasn't a police action.

If you want to make the case for racial profiling you need to stop looking at this case in a nutshell and start focusing on GZ's personal history as a whole.

How many times have you called the cops in your life? I don't think i ever have.[/QUOTE]


Zimmerman acted like he was a cop (when he should have simply let the real cops handle the job)... and like I been saying, his defenders claim the race of the people committing the crimes was the key factor..

anyway... whatever.. this is turning into another semantic argument that isnt worth going in circles over..

[QUOTE=dude77]the elephant in the room has made an appearance ..

no wants to see the elephant .. you're supposed feel sorry for blacks and coddle them when they whine about racism .. always praise black people .. never talk negatively about blacks .. you are now offically a racist .. congrats[/QUOTE]
I bet your life sucks. Stop worrying about race and worry about bettering yourself.

[QUOTE=dude77]the elephant in the room has made an appearance ..

no wants to see the elephant .. you're supposed feel sorry for blacks and coddle them when they whine about racism .. always praise black people .. never talk negatively about blacks .. you are now offically a racist .. congrats[/QUOTE]


Those numbers signify there is a problem, they are outliers compared with the rest of society and it is totally logical that some bias is a result of them.

So unless you believe blacks are genetically predispositioned to deviant or delinquent behavior, it is only logical to assume there is an institutional bias against them in society.

This is strictly based on the numbers given by JPR.

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]And the tattoos?!

What do you say about the fact that he was suspended from school, for 10 days, for possession of stolen jewelry and burglary tools?

Nothing.

*crickets*

He was thief. George Zimmerman was right.[/QUOTE]

I've never said Trayvon was an innocent angel.

But pointing to a tattoo and some pics of him smoking weed to make your case? That's reaching, man.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]Stop worrying about race and worry about bettering yourself.[/QUOTE]

That's what I say to the many black people who are preoccupied with race.

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]Those numbers signify there is a problem, they are outliers compared with the rest of society and it is totally logical that some bias is a result of them.

[B]So unless you believe blacks are genetically predispositioned to deviant or delinquent behavior,[/B] it is only logical to assume there is an institutional bias against them in society.

This is strictly based on the numbers given by JPR.[/QUOTE]

reading over some post definitely gives off the impression that there are a few who actually believe this or want us to believe they believe this for their own twisted sense of fun.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]According to SCIENCE...there is no such thing as" Race"......
so all y'all are wrong...


deal wit it[/QUOTE]
Thank you! I've been waiting for someone to say this. Tools like ace23 that think the HUMAN race is subdivided into other races make half of the racist's arguments for them. There is as big a genetic difference between people from different parts of Africa as there are between some African 'black' people and European 'white' people. The need to identify them all under one homogenous blob of 'black' or 'Caucasian' like ace23 is trying to do (with Mexicans also being 'Caucasian') is incredibly reductionist, largely ignorant, and probably a bit racist.

'For years, I declined to fill in the form for my Senate press credential that asked me to state my 'race,' unless I was permitted to put 'human.' The form had to be completed under penalty of perjury, so I could not in conscience put 'white,' which is not even a color let alone a 'race,' and I sternly declined to put 'Caucasian,' which is an exploded term from a discredited ethnology. Surely the essential and unarguable core of King's campaign was the insistence that pigmentation was a false measure: a false measure of mankind (yes, mankind) and an inheritance from a time of great ignorance and stupidity and cruelty, when one drop of blood could make you 'black.'

The racist media needs to stfu.

[QUOTE=MMM]reading over some post definitely gives off the impression that there are a few who actually believe this or want us to believe they believe this for their own twisted sense of fun.[/QUOTE]
It may be true actually - to a limited extent.

I am merely repeating the conclusions reached in a rather interesting documentary by Michael Johnson about why the sprint track is so dominated by African-Americans and Jamaicans. He went to speak to various geneticists who had examined the topic and they had come to the conclusion that it is largely the result of a type of unnatural selection created by the hideous trauma of slavery and the slave trade. However, the double edged sword to this is that the higher levels of testosterone increase the predisposition (on average) towards violence and also higher likelihood of some diseases (like diabetes). Also, the sheer genetic diversity of the African population that was shipped over and mixed together (being assumed all the same like ace 23 - so he has something in common with slave traders - ha!) helped to weed out genetic weaknesses.

Obviously the social conditions and the unpleasant history for African-Americans in this country plays a large role as well, and this slightly higher predisposition is no reason at all to discriminate in any way. But the science is there.

[QUOTE=tontoz]Are you trying to say the hair is the same for blacks and whites? How many black people are natural blondes? :oldlol:

[B]Why are so many NBA players black if there are no differences between races' physical abilities?[/B][/QUOTE]
See my post: it is because of slavery, not because they are black.

Wow. It's sad that users on this site (dude77 Return of JPR) think like this. Hopefully Jeff will take care of em.

[QUOTE=Jameerthefear]Wow. It's sad that users on this site (dude77 Return of JPR) think like this. Hopefully Jeff will take care of em.[/QUOTE]

tell us some more oh self righteous fggt

What's funny to me is your general Caucasian going on about blacks and violence.


My white fellows do you forget your nature?

Hahaha, umm the Crusades, Slavery, Trail of Tears, The Aztecs, Hitler, Manson, McVeigh....most serial killers infamous are whites....I could go on and on...


You founded this country on blood and murdering while taking from native Americans kiddos.

This is a prime example of "white privilege". The whole "I've never really lived it so it doesn't exist" shit you dudes pull

Don't talk to me like racism and profiling is a conspiracy theory. How DARE you sit there ignorantly blowing out of your mealy mouths. I'm a person with BROWN skin that lived it for years. My family moved me to "better" neighborhoods for a good life and was constantly reminded about MY skin color by the law or even local white people.



You don't know wtf you're talking about.

[QUOTE=oh the horror]What's funny to me is your general Caucasian going on about blacks and violence.


My white fellows do you forget your nature?

Hahaha, umm the Crusades, Slavery, Trail of Tears, The Aztecs, Hitler, Manson, McVeigh....most serial killers infamous are whites....I could go on and on...


You founded this country on blood and murdering while taking from native Americans kiddos.

This is a prime example of "white privilege". The whole "I've never really lived it so it doesn't exist" shit you dudes pull

Don't talk to me like racism and profiling is a conspiracy theory. How DARE you sit there ignorantly blowing out of your mealy mouths. I'm a person with BROWN skin that lived it for years. My family moved me to "better" neighborhoods for a good life and was constantly reminded about MY skin color by the law or even local white people.



You don't know wtf you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
My goodness. Rip OP and dude77, you just got shitted on

Lets get this straight. There are many really cool whites. But don't talk to me like I'm imagining profiling and racism. It EXISTS.

[QUOTE=oh the horror]Lets get this straight. There are many really cool whites. But don't talk to me like I'm imagining profiling and racism. It EXISTS.[/QUOTE]

Sure, but the problem is with the people accusing others of racism without evidence (otherwise known as race baiters). This case is a perfect example.

[QUOTE=oh the horror]Lets get this straight. There are many really cool whites. But don't talk to me like I'm imagining profiling and racism. It EXISTS.[/QUOTE]
Here, I found a good pic of dude77:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rRXOeAZ.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Sure, but the problem is with the people accusing others of racism without evidence (otherwise known as race baiters). This case is a perfect example.[/QUOTE]



My personal belief is that this case was a tool used in an already pre-existing tension between ethnicities in this country.


I do not believe George at his core is a "racist". I believe he profiled to a degree however.


Now, the media played the card they played for attention.


We all saw it. The initial reports made it seem like this grown man in a mug shot shot this small child at 13 in his football uniform. The media played the strings of an already high tension situation.



What we have to figure out is why is it high tension?


People need to talk about this and come to conclusions.

[QUOTE=oh the horror]This is a prime example of "white privilege". The whole "I've never really lived it so it doesn't exist" shit you dudes pull

Don't talk to me like racism and profiling is a conspiracy theory. How DARE you sit there ignorantly blowing out of your mealy mouths. I'm a person with BROWN skin that lived it for years. My family moved me to "better" neighborhoods for a good life and was constantly reminded about MY skin color by the law or even local white people.

You don't know wtf you're talking about.[/QUOTE]

I watched this panel on MSNBC with LeVar Burton, Tim Weiss, and a few other people. It was about the "N word". While I can't say I agreed entirely with everything they discussed, LeVar did discuss the things he was taught about how to interact with police as a black male. As an example, he mentioned how whenever he is pulled over in his car, he makes sure to place both of his hands so they are hanging out of the car window. It's clearly visible he has no weapons, or whatever.

How many white people do you think do that when the cops pull them over?

Tim Weiss mentioned a story about him breaking into his own car because he locked himself out. A cop pulls up, helps him unlock it, never asks if it's his car or if he can show him any proof that it's his car.

Hell, that show "What Would You Do?" or whatever on ABC where they put people in situations to see how they would react? They did a video where two groups of kids (white and black) would beat up on a car and we would see who called the police on them. Well, the white kids were first, and they were beating up on the car. Lots of people saw them. And someone [i]did[/i] call the police. Except, they didn't call the police on the white kids. They called the police on the black kids, who were waiting in a vehicle, sleeping, for it to be their return.

As a white guy, I'm not going to walk around with my head bowed, acting guilty and ashamed about acts that were perpetrated by other people. I like to be honest about history. But I won't deny that I have benefited from it. And continue to.

[QUOTE=oh the horror]What's funny to me is your general Caucasian going on about blacks and violence.


My white fellows do you forget your nature?

Hahaha, umm the Crusades, Slavery, Trail of Tears, The Aztecs, Hitler, Manson, McVeigh....most serial killers infamous are whites....I could go on and on...

You founded this country on blood and murdering while taking from native Americans kiddos.

This is a prime example of "white privilege". The whole "I've never really lived it so it doesn't exist" shit you dudes pull

Don't talk to me like racism and profiling is a conspiracy theory. How DARE you sit there ignorantly blowing out of your mealy mouths. I'm a person with BROWN skin that lived it for years. My family moved me to "better" neighborhoods for a good life and was constantly reminded about MY skin color by the law or even local white people.

You don't know wtf you're talking about.[/QUOTE]

tell us how you really feel son .. let out your rage against the white man(totally acceptable and encouraged .. never talk bad about blacks though or you're an evil satanic racist !

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[QUOTE=reppy]I watched this panel on MSNBC with LeVar Burton, Tim Weiss, and a few other people. It was about the "N word". While I can't say I agreed entirely with everything they discussed, LeVar did discuss the things he was taught about how to interact with police as a black male. As an example, he mentioned how whenever he is pulled over in his car, he makes sure to place both of his hands so they are hanging out of the car window. It's clearly visible he has no weapons, or whatever.

How many white people do you think do that when the cops pull them over?

Tim Weiss mentioned a story about him breaking into his own car because he locked himself out. A cop pulls up, helps him unlock it, never asks if it's his car or if he can show him any proof that it's his car.

Hell, that show "What Would You Do?" or whatever on ABC where they put people in situations to see how they would react? They did a video where two groups of kids (white and black) would beat up on a car and we would see who called the police on them. Well, the white kids were first, and they were beating up on the car. Lots of people saw them. And someone [i]did[/i] call the police. Except, they didn't call the police on the white kids. They called the police on the black kids, who were waiting in a vehicle, sleeping, for it to be their return.

As a white guy, I'm not going to walk around with my head bowed, acting guilty and ashamed about acts that were perpetrated by other people. I like to be honest about history. But I won't deny that I have benefited from it. And continue to.[/QUOTE]

:cheers: Props to Reppy.. I was thinking about the wwyd skit also..

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0kV_b3IK9M[/url]

they even throw a girl in for good measure

[QUOTE=dude77]tell us how you really feel son .. let out your rage against the white man(totally acceptable and encouraged .. never talk bad about blacks though or you're an evil satanic racist !

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You're a moron. Your argument is done. The only thing your doing now is making dumb statements