[QUOTE=XxNeXuSxX]:roll: That's absolute bullsh*t.[/QUOTE]
Sorry if the truth hurts..
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[QUOTE=XxNeXuSxX]:roll: That's absolute bullsh*t.[/QUOTE]
Sorry if the truth hurts..
[QUOTE=bleedinpurple]Shaq has never won it all without an all-star at his side...Kobe and Wade.
Yes, Kobe did carry Shaq. Remember, Shaq sat out half the season to have toes surgery "on company time". Then, in the playoffs, Kobe carried Shaq...example: remember game 7 against Portland? Obviously Wade carried Shaq last year. This is not meant to be a knock on Shaq. All Champs have had a one-two punch. Shaq was a dominant center and an all-time top-10 center.[/QUOTE]
puhlease, classic kobe groopie, one game proves he carried shaq, one game (81pt) proves he is mvp, for each game kobe carried shaq shaq carried kobe tenfold, remember the finals in 00 when kobe shot 38% against single coverage and averaged 15 ppg ? shaq carried kobe and another 10 scrubs in the finals, 1 game is no indication of anything, then in '04 kobe losses them the series against detroit with his ballhogging, its no wonder shaq despises kobe, they could have won 4 rings instead of 3 if it wasnt for kobe bombing away in 04 trying to win finals mvp.
[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]Shaq's last ring is tainted so he needs to STFU and go make another rap album[/QUOTE]
Haha, I was waiting for someone to say that Shaq's last ring was tainted... part of me wishes that Nash would pull a Gilbert Arenas and say something like that... I even hope Dirk would say something...
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]puhlease, classic kobe groopie, one game proves he carried shaq, one game (81pt) proves he is mvp, for each game kobe carried shaq shaq carried kobe tenfold, remember the finals in 00 when kobe shot 38% against single coverage and averaged 15 ppg ? shaq carried kobe and another 10 scrubs in the finals, 1 game is no indication of anything, then in '04 kobe losses them the series against detroit with his ballhogging, its no wonder shaq despises kobe, they could have won 4 rings instead of 3 if it wasnt for kobe bombing away in 04 trying to win finals mvp.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I couldn't care less about Kobe. I would trade him in a heartbeat for the right player (Lebron or Wade).
I did not say "One game"...I used one game as an example. Please pay attention to the thread. I'm sorry, where did I say Kobe deserved to be MVP because he scored 81 points? Stop making crap up. AND you missed the entire point of the discussion.
Please stay out since you don't know what you are talking about nor bothering to read. Stop coming around trying to stir something up.
[QUOTE=bleedinpurple]I was there in Vegas. Whitlock was right. I don't know about comparing drive-bys to lynchings...but the Vegas scene was outta control. I don't think the "gangsta" and "groopies" and "entourage" came to town with the intention to start any BS, but the BS did happen.[/QUOTE]
Who said he wasn't right about it being outta control? WHat I said is it being outta control has nothing to do with the race of the participants...more their standing, status and funds. Debauchery doesn't only happen when black jocks are in large groups it happens when any group of 18-30 year olds are together in larges groups who have money to spend and females are they to please or to be gawked at...
I guess Soccer Hoodlums in Europe are also part of the Black KKK?
He's an idiot.
[QUOTE=KWALI]Who said he wasn't right about it being outta control? WHat I said is it being outta control has nothing to do with the race of the participants...more their standing, status and funds. Debauchery doesn't only happen when black jocks are in large groups it happens when any group of 18-30 year olds are together in larges groups who have money to spend and females are they to please or to be gawked at...
I guess Soccer Hoodlums in Europe are also part of the Black KKK?
He's an idiot.[/QUOTE]
OK. I see what you're saying.
Shaq is spot on the money. Nash is the worst player to win an MVP in my lifetime, and its by a considerable amount. Only AI is even close and on top of that, Nash has two. Thats more than Hakeem, Stockton, Shaq, Robinson, Payton and Drexler just to name a couple of vastyl superior players.
Nash's name has tainted the award, it has become an award that apparently isnt allowed to go to the best player in the league because well that wouldnt be fair on the rest.
There is only one excuse for why there arent exactly 4 players to have won an MVP since 1991 and that is that the award is not serious, its a joke. The only players who have deserved the award are Jordan, Hakeem(Robinson is fair enough), Shaq and Duncan. There is not another player in the league who has deserved MVP consideration, nevermind to win the award.
The NBA needs a serious reform of how its voting is done because the awards have lost credibility.
[QUOTE=KWALI]Who said he wasn't right about it being outta control? WHat I said is it being outta control has nothing to do with the race of the participants...more their standing, status and funds. Debauchery doesn't only happen when black jocks are in large groups it happens when any group of 18-30 year olds are together in larges groups who have money to spend and females are they to please or to be gawked at...
I guess Soccer Hoodlums in Europe are also part of the Black KKK?
He's an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Um, it Vegas it wasn't just girls being gawked at. Trust me, it was no exaggeration when people kept saying they were afraid to walk the strip, because you feel like you were gonna get mugged/shot any second.
It wasn't the "drunken partying wildly" kinda scene in Vegas. It was the "shady drug dealers standing in the corner holding something in their pockets". "guys driving back and forth with tinted windows closed all the way except an inch where someone is eyeing the street" kinda thing.
[quote]Who said he wasn't right about it being outta control? WHat I said is it being outta control has nothing to do with the race of the participants...more their standing, status and funds. Debauchery doesn't only happen when black jocks are in large groups it happens when any group of 18-30 year olds are together in larges groups who have money to spend and females are they to please or to be gawked at...
I guess Soccer Hoodlums in Europe are also part of the Black KKK?
He's an idiot.[/quote]
Exactly... I cant stand whitlock.... He lives only to go overboard say stupid sh*t about other black folk...
I swear to God I'd rather run into a racist white guy saying the same crap then hear it from some black guy.... It makes you wanna throw up..
Not even the white people overstated the situation to the degree he did...
he takes pride in that sh*t...
[QUOTE=EricForman]Um, it Vegas it wasn't just girls being gawked at. Trust me, it was no exaggeration when people kept saying they were afraid to walk the strip, because you feel like you were gonna get mugged/shot any second.
It wasn't the "drunken partying wildly" kinda scene in Vegas. It was the "shady drug dealers standing in the corner holding something in their pockets". "guys driving back and forth with tinted windows closed all the way except an inch where someone is eyeing the street" kinda thing.[/QUOTE]
Well I went to college in Florida and have attended many spring break activities and they are as bad if not worse than any freeknik or greek picnic Ive have ever been to.
[b]The only difference I really see in the hooligans is their race.....[/b]
there are white dudes standing around selling X and acid in Ft. Lauderdale at the same rate "shady drug dealers" are standing on the corner...
And beyond that, this is f*ckin Vegas :oldlol: Vegas has the same stuff going on every weekend... But this week was the NBA's fault?
Shaq was the runner up in 05'? I'm i diehard heat fan and didn't know this.
Shaq is racist.
:oldlol: @ the bump
If I was Nash I would purposely throw a bullet pass right into Shaqs face.
[QUOTE=HALLandOATES]Shaq was the runner up in 05'? I'm i diehard heat fan and didn't know this.[/QUOTE]
lol yea, and he lost by the slightest of margin.
[QUOTE=TheHonestTruth]Shaq is racist.[/QUOTE]
That's a fact.
Shaqs right, Nash's first MVP was a joke.
[QUOTE=SonOHammerwafer]Shaqs right, Nash's first MVP was a joke.[/QUOTE]
so is the notion that your team's star player can lead his team to an NBA championship without Shaq.
[QUOTE=WoGiTaLiA1]Shaq is spot on the money. Nash is the worst player to win an MVP in my lifetime, and its by a considerable amount. Only AI is even close and on top of that, Nash has two. Thats more than Hakeem, Stockton, Shaq, Robinson, Payton and Drexler just to name a couple of vastyl superior players.
Nash's name has tainted the award, it has become an award that apparently isnt allowed to go to the best player in the league because well that wouldnt be fair on the rest.
There is only one excuse for why there arent exactly 4 players to have won an MVP since 1991 and that is that the award is not serious, its a joke. The only players who have deserved the award are Jordan, Hakeem(Robinson is fair enough), Shaq and Duncan. There is not another player in the league who has deserved MVP consideration, nevermind to win the award.
The NBA needs a serious reform of how its voting is done because the awards have lost credibility.[/QUOTE]
I agree with literally everything you said. It was absolutely shocking to me seeing the players with just 1 MVP as well. I guess i knew it, but seeing them all together on paper almost infuriates me. I suppose i shouldn't care so much, but honestly, how is anyone supposed to take this sport seriously if they don't even acknowledge the true MVP each season? This is a sport without predetermined outcomes after all, the awards should reflect that rather than this media BS. :banghead:
[QUOTE=bada bing]so is the notion that your team's star player can lead his team to an NBA championship without Shaq.[/QUOTE]
zing?
[QUOTE=bada bing]so is the notion that your team's star player can lead his team to an NBA championship without Shaq.[/QUOTE]
No he can't, but Bynum can:cheers:
[QUOTE=bada bing]so is the notion that your team's star player can lead his team to an NBA championship without Shaq.[/QUOTE]
Lakers have a good chance of making it to the finals this year. I still think the Celtics have the Lakers' number though (mainly because they'll be so well rested).
LOL @ kobe being mentioned in a thread unrelated to him... again.
Well i guess it is "related" because it's the mvp award, but you know what i mean :)
mvp don't mean zip. now don't go running up a 20 page thread talking about it
let's move on to championships
I didn't read the rest of the thread.
But Shaq is right on the money. Nash is a ***.
Bai though shaq and lebron deserves to win the mvp in 2005 and 2006.
[QUOTE=Lebron23;15027821]Bai though shaq and lebron deserves to win the mvp in 2005 and 2006.[/QUOTE]
If they had a least valuable player award, Lebron would have won it in 2011, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025.
Well, 2025 would have been a tie between Lebron and Bronny Junior.
It's just unfortunate that the media needs to create a narrative when awarding MVPs. It's the reason people both win (Ex: Rose) and why guys don't repeat (Ex: Jokic).
Shaq is right, he was plain more impactful and valuable than Nash during those years.
[QUOTE=beasted;15027855]Shaq is right, he was plain more impactful and valuable than Nash during those years.[/QUOTE]
Shaq wasn't even the best player on his team in 2006.
Shaq is an overly sensitive ego maniac. Glad they gave those MVPs to Nash.
mvps are f.ucking dumb
A 17 year thread bump must be some kind of record.
Nash's MVP's were BS...but so were three of Shaq's rings
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15027867]mvps are f.ucking dumb[/QUOTE]
They really are. In a way they are disrespectful and unnecessary.
It's actually kind of embarrassing to win MVP, both for the recipient and the teammates. If it's truly a team sport, which it is, then it should never about individual accolades or accomplishments and we shouldn't be awarding them. That is what the money is for.
It's kind of unfair to boil down a team's success to just one player even if that player is really great. There has to be some level of resentment. You win and lose as a team so you should be awarded as a team.
Lol i wonder why. Probably because nash had his former teammate kobe beat in terms of who became a league mvp first.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15027867]mvps are f.ucking dumb[/QUOTE]
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