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Everytime I play basketball, I play in Pumas. When I was in Middle School, I'd wear Pumas. Puma Roma in fact.
Pumas have gotten me through basketball. I tried the Nike Shox one time and ended up with severe foot pain. I tried Nike's, Reebok's, but never liked them. I don't know what kind though, I just know they are Nike's, I honestly don't care what kind of shoe I play basketball with, as long as I'm playing I'm happy.
[QUOTE=Xsatyr]You do know people play with those shoes already right?[/QUOTE]
yeah but I could only find 2 reviews...(both awful)
how long have they been out?
[QUOTE=-primetime-]yeah but I could only find [COLOR="Red"]2 reviews[/COLOR]...(both awful)
how long have they been out?[/QUOTE]
Yes bc everyone buys shoes and post a review online about them.
[QUOTE=ElPigto]Everytime I play basketball, I play in Pumas. When I was in Middle School, I'd wear Pumas. Puma Roma in fact.
Pumas have gotten me through basketball. I tried the Nike Shox one time and ended up with severe foot pain. I tried Nike's, Reebok's, but never liked them. I don't know what kind though, I just know they are Nike's, I honestly don't care what kind of shoe I play basketball with, as long as I'm playing I'm happy.[/QUOTE]
Here is one review about Nike and Reebok that is awful. I know it is only one review but I think I can take their word for it. I would know for sure if I found two reviews bc that is like twice as many as one.
[QUOTE=Xsatyr]Yes bc everyone buys shoes and post a review online about them.[/QUOTE]
so not very long then?
does anyone know where to actually get a pair of starburys? I hate my shox and wanna give these a shot, but i dont got any "steve and barry's" where i live.
[QUOTE=Xsatyr]Hear is one review about Nike and Reebok that is awful. I know it is only one review but I think I can take their word for it. I would know for sure if I found two reviews bc that is like twice as many as one.[/QUOTE]
well those two reviews is all that me and YOU have to go by right now...
oh and the fact that THEY ARE $15 DOLLARS AND DESIGNED FOR INNER CITY KIDS THAAT HAVE NO MONEY.....there is that fact also...
[QUOTE=-primetime-]so not very long then?[/QUOTE]
Finding only two reviews means nothing is what I am saying. Bottom line people play with them and I never here them complain about any pain. That is a start, not in favor of Nike, long term is yet to be determined. But so far the advantage goes to Marbury.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]well those two reviews is all that me and YOU have to go by right now...
oh and the fact that THEY ARE $15 DOLLARS AND DESIGNED FOR INNER CITY KIDS THAAT HAVE NO MONEY.....there is that fact also...[/QUOTE]
Dude, I've played with cheap shoes before, trust me, they aren't as bad as you make them sound. I don't know how they last throughout 82 games of basketball, but I mean cheap shoes are nothing to be ashamed off.
I remember playing in Olajuwon's spaldings that I got for like 25 dollars at Payless Shoe Source, and the tennis shoes worked great. I know they weren't the greatest design, but if you can play basketball then who the hell cares.
I bet you are one of those dudes who demands his mommy and daddy buy him nothing less than $100 pair of shoes. Get over yourself already, GEEZ!
[QUOTE=-primetime-][COLOR="Red"]well those two reviews is all that me and YOU have to go by right now...[/COLOR]
oh and the fact that THEY ARE $15 DOLLARS AND DESIGNED FOR INNER CITY KIDS THAAT HAVE NO MONEY.....there is that fact also...[/QUOTE]
I go by people I actually play with but whatever. I guess that does not qualify as a source, you know people who actually play with them. Nope can't make a valid argument as to how that would actually be a reference for the quality of a pair of shoes.
[QUOTE=Xsatyr]Finding only two reviews means nothing is what I am saying. Bottom line people play with them and I never here them complain about any pain. That is a start, not in favor of Nike, long term is yet to be determined. But so far the advantage goes to Marbury.[/QUOTE]
my piont was once they are out for a long time there will be people/reviews complaining about pain...
like this guy:
[url]http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2006/08/official-starbury-one-shoe-review.html[/url]
[I]Overall Rating: 5 or 15 Shots
The final rating of these shoes really depends on what you're using them for. If you want something that looks cool to walk around in, then the Starbury Ones are a damn good shoe for $15. You could probably even use some gel inserts to make them more comfortable. BUT...if you expect to play basketball in them, you're going to be tragically disappointed. [B][SIZE="3"]Not only will you end up with chronically sore feet to go along with your aching knees and ankles[/SIZE][/B], the shoes aren't constructed well enough to last long under the pressure of serious balling. This isn't in the tagline, but Marbury might have created the first fully disposable basketball shoe.[/I]
oh and they come out April 1st...
[url]http://www.steveandbarrys.com/[/url]
I guess only time will tell...
[QUOTE=Xsatyr]I go by people I actually play with but whatever. I guess that does not qualify as a source, you know people who actually play with them. Nope can't make a valid argument as to how that would actually be a reference for the quality of a shoe.[/QUOTE]
so you know people that own the Starburys that come out April 1st then?
is that what youare saying?
[QUOTE=-primetime-]my piont was once they are out for a long time there will be people/reviews complaining about pain...
like this guy:
[url]http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2006/08/official-starbury-one-shoe-review.html[/url]
[I]Overall Rating: 5 or 15 Shots
The final rating of these shoes really depends on what you're using them for. If you want something that looks cool to walk around in, then the Starbury Ones are a damn good shoe for $15. You could probably even use some gel inserts to make them more comfortable. BUT...if you expect to play basketball in them, you're going to be tragically disappointed. [B][SIZE="3"]Not only will you end up with chronically sore feet to go along with your aching knees and ankles[/SIZE][/B], the shoes aren't constructed well enough to last long under the pressure of serious balling. This isn't in the tagline, but Marbury might have created the first fully disposable basketball shoe.[/I]
oh and they come out April 1st...
[url]http://www.steveandbarrys.com/[/url]
I guess only time will tell...[/QUOTE]
The Starbury II's come out April 1, the originals have been out since i dont know when.
[QUOTE=ElPigto]Dude, I've played with cheap shoes before, trust me, they aren't as bad as you make them sound. I don't know how they last throughout 82 games of basketball, but I mean cheap shoes are nothing to be ashamed off.
I remember playing in Olajuwon's spaldings that I got for like 25 dollars at Payless Shoe Source, and the tennis shoes worked great. I know they weren't the greatest design, but if you can play basketball then who the hell cares.
I bet you are one of those dudes who demands his mommy and daddy buy him nothing less than $100 pair of shoes. Get over yourself already, GEEZ![/QUOTE]
I NEVER SAID ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE NIKES ARE HIGHER QUALITY...
that is all...
what do you mean "get over yourself, geez"...
I applaud Marbury and what he is trying to do...
I never said cheap shoes are something to be ashamed of...(although kids will be, but shouldn't)
I am just saying to those of you that think they really are the same quality as Nike like they claim to be that you are wrong...nothing more...nothing less
oh and I say that Marbury is under contract to wear that shoe for 2 seasons and is owned in a similiar fashion to Lebron and Nike...
You know the first think I thought about when I heard about these shoes? Some of my college buddies. These shoes would've been great for them. No, they weren't inner city kids, they were just middle- and working-class kids trying to make, and pay, their way through college. We used to play ball once or maybe twice a week, and I used to worry about the fact that some of these guys played in their indoor soccer shoes, which was just asking for an ankle injury. Being poor college students and not having their parents send them thousands of dollars a month like mine, they could hardly afford to buy 150 dollar basketball shoes.
They didn't need super-durable shoes, they only played once a week. They didn't need something that looked cool, some of them didn't even follow basketball. They just wanted basketball shoes to play in once in a while that didn't cost as much as their monthly food budget.
[QUOTE=tpcslj47]The Starbury II's come out April 1, the originals have been out since i dont know when.[/QUOTE]
well this articel was made Aug 16 2006....
[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2551942[/url]
so I guess it has been about 6 or 7 months now...
I don't know if not hearing about them until now is a good or a bad thing...
[QUOTE=tpcslj47]does anyone know where to actually get a pair of starburys? I hate my shox and wanna give these a shot, but i dont got any "steve and barry's" where i live.[/QUOTE]
you can get them here for $20...
[url]http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=starbury+one[/url]
maybe a shipping fee also though
[quote]They didn't need super-durable shoes, they only played once a week. They didn't need something that looked cool, some of them didn't even follow basketball. They just wanted basketball shoes to play in once in a while that didn't cost as much as their monthly food budget.[/quote]
That and the targeted in poverty demographic are the only people I'd recommend these for. The type of dudes who go to the YMCA like on a lunch break on Monday's and Friday's.
They just wouldn't hold up for an over 200lb, over 2hr a day playing, over 35 inch leap having, hyperactive player like myself. I'd bottom out those insoles in matter of hours, if that. Of course, I could also use the 30% off coupon for Footlocker this weekend and get the TMac 1 Retro's for 18$
As far as arguing it I'm done, but I just don't get why people (generally it's people who dont even hoop) would assume that the shoe industry is different from any other product you can buy on the market where you have tons of different namebrands and price ranges to choose from, some better than others. To assume every shoe has the exact level of durability, ankle protection, traction, and overall quality is as ridiculous as doing the same with any other product.
And all these intentionally vague quotes about "constructed the same way" and "same materials" are that vague on purpose, because they're intentionally designed to be misleading just the same as Nike and their "BOING" campaign implying without directly saying that they make you jump higher is.
They make it sound as if in the factory there's a box of leather, rubber, shoe laces, glue, and company logos and one 5 year old Chinese girl goes and grabs her supplies and a Nike check and the next grabs from the same box and grabs a Marbury logo instead.
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]That and the targeted in poverty demographic are the only people I'd recommend these for. The type of dudes who go to the YMCA like on a lunch break on Monday's and Friday's.
They just wouldn't hold up for an over 200lb, over 2hr a day playing, over 35 inch leap having, hyperactive player like myself. I'd bottom out those insoles in matter of hours, if that. Of course, I could also use the 30% off coupon for Footlocker this weekend and get the TMac 1 Retro's for 18$
As far as arguing it I'm done, but I just don't get why people (generally it's people who dont even hoop) would assume that the shoe industry is different from any other product you can buy on the market where you have tons of different namebrands and price ranges to choose from, some better than others. To assume every shoe has the exact level of durability, ankle protection, traction, and overall quality is as ridiculous as doing the same with any other product.
And all these intentionally vague quotes about "constructed the same way" and "same materials" are that vague on purpose, because they're intentionally designed to be misleading just the same as Nike and their "BOING" campaign implying without directly saying that they make you jump higher is.
They make it sound as if in the factory there's a box of leather, rubber, shoe laces, glue, and company logos and one 5 year old Chinese girl goes and grabs her supplies and a Nike check and the next grabs from the same box and grabs a Marbury logo instead.[/QUOTE]
wow...someone that agrees with me...
yeah this is why I compared Nikes to Ferrari....they are way over priced but they are still one of the best out there...other cars will get you from piont A to piont B but the ride will have more bumps...
shoes, cars, houses, microwaves...whatever...there are expensive over-priced ones and there are cheap ones that claim to be just as good as the best...
[QUOTE=-primetime-]wow...someone that agrees with me...
yeah this is why I compared Nikes to Ferrari....they are way over priced but they are still one of the best out there...other cars will get you from piont A to piont B but the ride will have more bumps...[/QUOTE]
You've never owned a Ferrari or been in one, have you? Comfort, reliability and durability are all sacrificed for speed and performance. You need to change timing belts on your Ferrari more often than the one on your 1978 Pinto. All kinds of things wear down fast because of the extreme strain all that power puts on them. And don't even think about racking up 200,000 miles on the odometer of your Ferrari like you could on a Civic.
[QUOTE=SomeBunghole]You've never owned a Ferrari or been in one, have you? Comfort, reliability and durability are all sacrificed for speed and performance. You need to change timing belts on your Ferrari more often than the one on your 1978 Pinto. All kinds of things wear down fast because of the extreme strain all that power puts on them. And don't even think about racking up 200,000 miles on the odometer of your Ferrari like you could on a Civic.[/QUOTE]
oh come on man it was a reference...
cars are more complex than shoes but it was the price tag that i was getting at
make it Lexus and Mazda then
BMW and VW
any car that is expensive vs. any car that is cheap
by the way performance would be the main focus of Ferrari and that is why I picked them...the fact that they are uncomfortable or need to be serviced every 2 months shouldn't relate to shoes...
[QUOTE=SomeBunghole]You've never owned a Ferrari or been in one, have you? Comfort, reliability and durability are all sacrificed for speed and performance. You need to change timing belts on your Ferrari more often than the one on your 1978 Pinto. All kinds of things wear down fast because of the extreme strain all that power puts on them. And don't even think about racking up 200,000 miles on the odometer of your Ferrari like you could on a Civic.[/QUOTE]
Nike and ferrari are terrible comparisons. Nike symbolizes quality, comfort and style. Ferrari is a high sports car brand designed for performance, style and class. A ferrari is not built to be ran compared to an everday shoe. Get a vette or a mustand GT for that. Only a fool would try to put 200K on a Ferrari.
But back to the thread. I recieved a pair of Marbs kicks last year as a gift. The shoe actually is comfortable for it to be a $15 dollar shoe. I wouldn't say it's as good as my Shox, but compared to the price I was impressed. I thought Lebron's comment was weak. Nike is committed to making dollars. If Lebron was garbage, Nike wouldn't be interested in him. Nike also has a standard to uphold also. If Lebron pull a Kobe-like case, they would drop him tommorrow.
[QUOTE=ElPigto]Dude, I've played with cheap shoes before, trust me, they aren't as bad as you make them sound. I don't know how they last throughout 82 games of basketball, but I mean cheap shoes are nothing to be ashamed off.
I remember playing in Olajuwon's spaldings that I got for like 25 dollars at Payless Shoe Source, and the tennis shoes worked great. I know they weren't the greatest design, but if you can play basketball then who the hell cares.
I bet you are one of those dudes who demands his mommy and daddy buy him nothing less than $100 pair of shoes. Get over yourself already, GEEZ![/QUOTE]
:cheers:
I got my Hakeem Spaldings at K-Mart for 29.99 back in 95.
Anybody remember when Shaq and Hakeem where supposed to play one-on-one on pay-per-view?
Anybody remember the Xavier McDaniels? They were black with the brown cross stripes with the X in the middle? I had those to. I think I got them for 29.99 also. :bowdown:
Hell I played in Junior High in White Low Top Classic Chuck Taylors with 5 pairs of socks and two black ankle braces I stole from Kroger grocery store.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]oh come on man it was a reference...
cars are more complex than shoes but it was the price tag that i was getting at
make it Lexus and Mazda then
BMW and VW
any car that is expensive vs. any car that is cheap
by the way performance would be the main focus of Ferrari and that is why I picked them...the fact that they are uncomfortable or need to be serviced every 2 months shouldn't relate to shoes...[/QUOTE]
You shouldn't have compared a shoe to a Ferrari. Or any car for that matter. Although even a shoe should be maintained.....I don't walk around in my basketball shoe I play in on the court, neither would someone drive their ferrari every day.
[QUOTE=D-Town-Raised]:cheers:
I got my Hakeem Spaldings at K-Mart for 29.99 back in 95.
Anybody remember when Shaq and Hakeem where supposed to play one-on-one on pay-per-view?
Anybody remember the Xavier McDaniels? They were black with the brown cross stripes with the X in the middle? I had those to. I think I got them for 29.99 also. :bowdown:
Hell I played in Junior High in White Low Top Classic Chuck Taylors with 5 pairs of socks and two black ankle braces I stole from Kroger grocery store.[/QUOTE]
If you can play in a pair of Chuck's (which every old-school baller did), you can definitely play in Marbs shoe. His shoe is much better.
[QUOTE=knickscity]You shouldn't have compared a shoe to a Ferrari. Or any car for that matter. Although even a shoe should be maintained.....I don't walk around in my basketball shoe I play in on the court, neither would someone drive their ferrari every day.[/QUOTE]
it was a general reference to the price tag and preformance...
they are both over priced but they both preform better...it isn't that bad of a comparison
seriously, I didn't mean for you guys to get into discussions about changing timing belts and all that...it was a simple "hey nike's are $150 but they are better and hey ferrari's are $150k but they are better" kinda thing...
[QUOTE=knickscity]If you can play in a pair of Chuck's (which every old-school baller did), you can definitely play in Marbs shoe. His shoe is much better.[/QUOTE]
now that I believe...
The design and advertising alone behind a $150 Nike shoe would be more then the entire production cost of the Starbury's. [B]Obviously though there isn't a $135 quality difference between the two. [/B]Nike sells their shoes for more to turn over a greater profit because they can.
I'd say the engineers behind the design would do more tests on weight distribution, air pocket placement and design for comfort and visual appearance then those of the Starbury's.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]
seriously, I didn't mean for you guys to get into discussions about changing timing belts and all that...it was a simple "hey nike's are $150 but they are better and hey ferrari's are $150k but they are better" kinda thing...[/QUOTE]
My point was that the Nike shoes, as well as a Ferrari, have a specific purpose in mind. Not everyone is looking for their shoe or car to do the things they do.
I haven't tried the new Starburys, but I've owned my share of basketball shoes, and I have a hard time imagining that they could be worse than some of the pairs I've owned. I've had a pair of Reebok sneakers that were something around 120 bucks back in 1998 that just about permanently disfigured my feet. I've had a pair of Converse Dennis Rodmans that felt like someone attached weights to my ankles. Those shoes were over a hundred bucks as well. I've also had really good shoes that I got for 75 bucks.
There are so many variable with shoes, it's not even funny. A couple of reviews don't tell you much about what the shoes will be like for you.
[QUOTE]He thought about it for a moment and said, "I'd rather own than be owned."[/QUOTE]
i guess that means he would rather own a pair of sneakers than have the sneakers own him? or am i missing something here
He's saying that Nike owns LeBron and he is like a puppet or a pawn to them. And it's a great quote at face value, but when you think more about it, LeBron is exploiting Nike comparably to however much you think they are exploiting him. I mean he has his logo on college jerseys in place of the Nike sign and he didn't even go to college. It's not like he's a slave of their's, he's getting rewarded very handsomly.
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]He's saying that Nike owns LeBron and he is like a puppet or a pawn to them. And it's a great quote at face value, but when you think more about it, LeBron is exploiting Nike comparably to however much you think they are exploiting him. I mean he has his logo on college jerseys in place of the Nike sign and he didn't even go to college. It's not like he's a slave of their's, he's getting rewarded very handsomly.[/QUOTE]
i dont know that that quote even makes much sense. because they charge 100+ for a shoe, they own lebron? marbury doesnt own the company either. its steve and barrys
exactly.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]I would rather be owned...
100s of millions of dollars and security for your family forever > what others think
money is money....period
unless you are the boss at your job you are being owned...[/QUOTE]
you act like marbury is poor or something....
Some prefer to go for the name brand and are ready to cash out $150 for shoes, even if they can't afford it. While others don't give much thought to the name brand. I'm just glad I have shoes to wear unlike millions of kids in the world today.
we hold our standards high?????????????????????
Those shoes probably cost $5 to make it in China. pls
Is not like the are made or some rare leather and high tech and built by a artist.
You just paying for the millions of $ that Nike spend on those ugly and boring Lebron commercials.
The one that think those $150 shoes got something special are just blind.
[QUOTE=el_locoteee]we hold our standards high?????????????????????
Those shoes probably cost $5 to make it in China. pls
Is not like the are made or some rare leather and high tech and built by a artist.
You just paying for the millions of $ that Nike spend on those ugly and boring Lebron commercials.
The one that think those $150 shoes got something special are just blind.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what I'm thinking. I doubt that Marbury's sneakers are much cheaper to make than Lebron's, and really, what gets me is the condescending way his statement came off... Lebron's lost a point there with me as well. :(
Nike shoes definitely don't cost more than $5-$15 to mass produce, for sure, so the actual quality difference between the sneakers is likely not a whole lot.
LeBrons ... maybe I'm just not tuned in, but they're not as big of a deal these days as the Jordans were through the 80s and 90s, not even close.
That being said, you can't really blame LeBron for totting the company line. They are paying him $100 million dollars after all to wear/endorse their product, a product that he likes and gets design input on. Can't really beat that.
[quote=el_locoteee]we hold our standards high?????????????????????
[b]Those shoes probably cost $5 to make it in China.[/b] pls
Is not like the are made or some rare leather and high tech and built by a artist.
You just paying for the millions of $ that Nike spend on those ugly and boring Lebron commercials.
The one that think those $150 shoes got something special are just blind.[/quote]
That's exactly what I was thinking. And I guess he and you guys feels the same way about Shaqs shoes which are also an "inexpensive" shoe.
Sweet lord, primetime assumes, bets and thinks waaaaaay too much.