Re: MJ is the most double-teamed player of all time, besides Wilt
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[B]The youtube channel "[COLOR="Red"]Nobody Touches Jordan[/COLOR]" did a video of Payton guarding MJ in Game 4 of 1996 Finals (link above) - MJ was doubled exactly 10 of the 20 times he caught the ball with Payton guarding - all 10 double-teams are shown here:[/B]
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[B]By comparison, Lebron was doubled-teamed a TOTAL of 18 times in the entire Finals... Think about that for a second.. Still impressed with his 36 ppg on 39%?
[INDENT][I]"Curry’s ability to guard one-on-one allowed the Warriors’ wing defenders to double-team LeBron James effectively. [COLOR="Blue"]When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting[/COLOR] (11 percent)".[/I]
[url]http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team[/url][/INDENT][/B]
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Re: MJ is the most double-teamed player of all time, besides Wilt
I say Shaq also.
And Shaq probably has the record for most triple teams too.
Re: MJ is the most double-teamed player of all time, besides Wilt
Rumor has it jordan once crossed over a spider and broke all his ankles
Re: MJ is the most double-teamed player of all time, besides Wilt
Shaq wasn't doubled more than MJ.
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Re: MJ is the most double-teamed player of all time, besides Wilt
[QUOTE=choppermagic]
I say Shaq also.
And Shaq probably has the record for most triple teams too.
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That sounds nice, but it isn't true - MJ was doubled all over the court, not just on the post - but even on the post, MJ was double-teamed equally:
[I]SHAQ'S POST MOVES[/I]: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVxZs7dwCO8[/url]
[I]MJ'S POST MOVES[/I]: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfSftZvpHJg[/url]
[I]The Shaq video shows him being doubled 33 of 62 times he caught the ball on the post (53%) compared to 52 of 103 in the MJ video (50%).[/I]
[I][COLOR="Navy"]However, MJ got doubled all over the court, not just on the post[/COLOR][/I] - MJ's danger from anywhere on the court resulted in teams often doubling him 10+ possessions in a row, as various videos in the OP showed.. This type of every-possession double teams for 10 consecutive possessions never happened for Shaq, not even in the 2000 Finals.
Re: MJ is the most double-teamed player of all time, besides Wilt
[B]Here's the New York Times on Jordan, 1987:[/B]
[INDENT][I]"Last season, Jordan had to overcome the harrassment of zone traps and double-triple teaming to average 37.1 points a game."[/I]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s9_GKFNL9E&t=0m49s[/url][/INDENT]
What more proof does anyone need that MJ was the most double-teamed player of all time?
As the previous post showed - we have extensive footage of each player's post-ups and they show that MJ was double-teamed on the post as much as Shaq - but unlike Shaq, he was doubled everywhere else on the court too - this is why he was frequently doubled 10+ times in a row, as shown in the OP, while Shaq never was..
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Re: MJ is the most double-teamed player of all time, besides Wilt
It's true, MJ was the most doubled player of all time except Wilt. It's a testament to how poor the talent was in the weak ass fuc.k era that he played in, where defensive schemes were terrible, and players were unable to shoot 3s. It was even worse in Wilt's era.
Re: MJ is the most double-teamed player of all time, besides Wilt
[QUOTE=oarabbus]
It's true, MJ was the most doubled player of all time except Wilt. It's a testament to how poor the talent was in the weak ass fuc.k era that he played in, where defensive schemes were terrible, and players were unable to shoot 3s. It was even worse in Wilt's era.
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Wade and Westbrook are inferior versions of MJ, yet they were scoring champs in 2009 and 2015 with a worse 3-point shot and far worse mid-range shot than MJ..
Nor could they double-pump with ease from the [url=http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-03-2015/64Ba72.gif]FT line[/url] like MJ.. And let's compare the defenses they faced:
[COLOR="Indigo"][I]PREVIOUS ERA[/I]: paint-camping... no-spacing... hand-checking[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"][I]TODAY'S ERA[/I]:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] shading..[COLOR="White"]........[/COLOR] spacing.. [COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR]no hand-checking[/COLOR]
Re: MJ is the most double-teamed player of all time, besides Wilt
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[B]today's defender can't sag off 3-point shooters as much as previous eras could
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In today's game, if a defender's man is behind the 3-point line (with or without the ball), the defender can sag off an unlimited amount, even all the way to the baseline, [I][COLOR="Navy"]BUT ONLY IF[/COLOR][/I] the paint doesn't get in the way.
Unfortunately, as the diagram shows, almost nowhere on the 3-point arc can a defender sag off and not eventually meet the paint - in these instances, the defender only has 3 seconds in the paint, which is the same as previous eras, who were also allowed to sag into the paint for 3 seconds.
However, defenders in previous eras had an advantage specifically when sagging off [I][COLOR="Navy"]corner/sideline[/COLOR][/I] 3-point shooters - they were allowed to paint-camp "[I]with no time limits[/I]" in the "outside" lane, which is the outer partition running up the sides of the paint, shown above.. Today's defenders can't do this - they have 3 seconds in the "outside" lane, just like they do in the inside lane.. Given this disadvantage in sagging off on corner/sideline 3-point shooters, today's defender has less freedom in sagging off shooters than previous eras.
Re: MJ is the most double-teamed player of all time, besides Wilt
Speaking of which, where's Pauk's video?