Checkmate Atheists!

[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]You sound REALLY wound up:oldlol:
I'll retain my own opinion. I've read it front to back and I'll repeat that I think it's awful. If you don't, you're welcome to have the majority view. But it's only that - a viewpoint.

I think it's one of the biggest piles of gibberish I've ever read but that's only me.[/QUOTE]
Wound up? Is that what you call someone pointing out your proud and ignorant stupidity? You've also failed to even make any refutation of what I wrote, other than hysterically claiming "it's my opinion dude." You can think what you want, but you couldn't be more wrong.

And it's not "just a viewpoint"--its influence and importance is factual and undeniable. Stop pretending to have read it, because you haven't, and the idea of you approaching it with anything like an open mind is downright laughable.

I'm sure you worked your way through 800,000 words of "gibberish". It's funny how you can write so little and yet still so obviously contradict and expose yourself: embarrassing.

[QUOTE]It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.
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You are the fool Mr. Feeny. You don't know anything about the Bible, have not read or studied it, and yet you come in here, mocking it, hoping to get a reaction (hence why you replied to my perfectly rational and reasonable post by joyously claiming I was "wound up"), and hoping to annoy people. That makes you a first-class fool and an incompetent sadist; rethink your life.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]
The OT is the most influential work of literature in western civilization. The wisdom inside it has stood the test of time and the stories and characters have inspired the greatest works of art ever made.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if I would go that far. It's only relatively recent that people would own their own bibles. For the majority of the history of Christian Europe, certainly in Western Europe, the only bibles were owned by churches and they were almost all in Latin. People's only experience with the bible until the rise of the printing press and cheap paper was the church experience which of course had a much greater focus on Jesus than the OT. I'd say the story of Jesus very obviously had much greater influence in Europe (and by extension European colonies) than the Old Testament.

[QUOTE]Ok, first off... :roll:

I started reading this post and thought 'no he's not bringing up AOE2'.

But to answer your question...

God didn't compel me not to kill the Afghans. I didn't kill them because I didn't want to kill them. There was no higher being telling me not to. There simply was no benefit to be gained. If there was? Maybe that changes things. [/QUOTE]

That's your explanation?
First question is this, "Who am I?"
I understand that I am a creation of God. Just like every other living and non-living organism. Thus, just as a bumblebee delivers nectar and pollinates flowers and just as trees give oxygen, I too have certain responsibilities to the One who made me.

Let's break down the event.
You, as US Soldier, did not shoot at other human beings.
What stopped you from doing such?
Through your mind, it was a "lack of desire" to do so. I must ask, what stops you from killing others? What really stops you?

Through these eyes, it seems clear your soul has an innate sense of compassion for other human beings, which was wired within your very nature. The Source of the wiring, the one who commanded the Angels to breathe the soul during your infancy, does not come from "I".' "I" is merely a temporary personal narrative, a tool used by the living human being to measure things.. I do not believe that you would have killed those Afghani people had there been some benefit. God only knows.


[QUOTE]I don't believe in God (the Christian version of it anyway) because:

A) Being forced to worship him or burn in an entire pit of fire doesn't seem like much of a[B] choic[/B]e...
B) I've seen too much bad things to think there's a 'plan'. It's not a plan, it's luck. I've had EOD clear IED's out from where I had been sleeping the night before. Why didn't the IED go off while I was walking around on top of it? Was it God? Or was there some wiring flaw that caused it to malfunction?[/QUOTE]

A) Worship means to "orbit", serve, respect, revere, obey, a Higher Power. Everyone worships something, one way or another. Why not Worship the One who created you? A lot of people these days worship the "I"? Some build their lives on what feels good. Some build their lives on whatever their culture says. Point being, there's an optimal path you can take in your life that would grant you eternal peace, happiness, and fulfillment. You, me, your parents, and nobody knows what that path is. There is only One who knows and One who can guide. There are conditions to earn that guidance, however.


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B) "Bad" things. What denotes something as being bad or good? Without a clear understanding of the Afterlife, seeing a person dead sparks up horrific tragic feelings. What if the reality was that his early death was a huge blessing as it prevented worse things from happening in his permanent record, thus allowing for an easier, smoother afterlife.
What if the Eod's clearing up the IED's were Signs that He was always watching over you? Perhaps the flawed wiring was a Sign that their was something intrinsically wrong with your current mindset. God knows best.


[QUOTE]
Go watch the documentaries Restrepo or Korengal... 30 guys go on patrol, and the 8th one in line steps on a mine. God or just unlucky? 200 trucks go out in a convoy, the very last truck in the convoy is hit (wasn't a command det, it was a pressure plate)... Is that God? Or is the last truck just really ****ing unlucky to roll over it at the right place at the wrong time?[/QUOTE]

Luck is terminology for some strange cause/force of chaos, yeah?

Do you know how ordered the Universe is? Every single molecule on Earth is composed of the same molecules spinning in the same direction. The Sun and Moon follow a precise orbit.

Likewise, the people who were mean to pass were passed that very moment. The truck that was blown up was a Sign to the 199 at how completely fragile and reliant they are on His protection and ought to pave way to Remember Him and be Grateful to Him.

If anything the fact that the particular lagging individual died (who treaded that path) and not the several ones prior reaffirms that God is in complete control of all happenings.


[QUOTE]Tornadoes rip apart whole towns and some people die, some live.

Planes crash and half the people live and half of them die.

That'[B]s just called luck. I was lucky I didn't get shot because I was in the right places at the right time. Others did get shot, which could have easily been me had I been in their place, but I wasn't. God didn't save me from getting tagged hopping out of my truck... the fact my pack was strapped to the OTHER side of the truck, causing me to get out on that side, did. [/B]

It's not God. It's me being lucky up until the point where I'm not so lucky.[/QUOTE]

Again, He was protecting you.
The events that unfolded were the following:

"Others did get shot, which could have easily been me had I been in their place."
But you weren't in their place.
You continued to live.
This ain't probability. You were in a position where you weren't killed over, and over, and over again; and it was certainly not by chance. God loves you. God loves all His creations more than a mother loves her infant.

"The fact that my pack was strapped to the OTHER side of the truck."
And what exactly was the force that compelled your pack to be strapped on the other side.
You don't usually have your pack strapped to the other side; no?
You just "accidentally" did in that situation.


Luck is nothing but a sham, dude. Every event that unfolded in your life happened for a specific reason and things will start to make sense as the heart grows in faith and illumination; the effects of consistent worship to Him. The fact that someone cares enough about you to sacrifice his night should set off some alarms.

You got to have an open mind and good faith, man and start seeing things as Signs from Him. Then the pathway to Peace and Happiness become,es clear.

Forgive my rather forceful tone, but being caught up in the traps of marriage, recreation, and things that distract you from Him would depress your spirits and I, in good faith, can not allow that. And thank you again, for not killing the Afghani people.

Assalamu Alaikum.

Atheists getting BTFO in this thread and in the after life.

[QUOTE=~primetime~]No there is a difference between the two.

A true atheist literally believes there is no creator(s)[/QUOTE]

Classic No-True-Scotsman fallacy.

There are "hard" and "soft" qualifiers for atheists and they still vary. The "A" in "atheist" means lack of. Lack of belief isn't the same thing as disbelief. The fact that such nuance escapes you is the hallmark of typical religionists.

In any case, the name of the thread title already told me that the OP is yet another typical inbred know-nothing bible beater who is insecure about the fact that atheists don't have to buy into his religion's fairy tales and generally lead much more successful lives.

[QUOTE=~primetime~]If you don't know, you're an agnostic, not an atheist

Atheists claim there is no creator, that space, time, light, matter, etc just came to exist from nothing.[/QUOTE]

1. No evidence for a creator
2. Only clueless simpletons attribute the "something from nothing" argument to atheism. A singularity of incalculable mass isn't "nothing". As the BB theory posits that the universe is ~14 billion years old, we'll never know for certain how it all started since we are incapable of time travel and even if we were, we wouldn't be able to survive the conditions of the physical universe at that time.

The bottom line is this:

Religion is about not questioning the answers while science is about seeking answers to the questions.

[QUOTE=~primetime~]Evolution doesn't explain what caused the Big Bang or why anything at all exists.[/QUOTE]

Its scope was never intended to address origins of life. Only that it occurs.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Atheism is a religion. Atheists have a blind and unquestioning belief in whatever scientists tell them to believe, just as many evangelicals have blind belief in whatever their pastor tells them to believe.[/QUOTE]

And of course a thread about atheists isn't ever without one of the mind-numbingly stupid religionists projecting their insecurities. That insecurity being the fact that they don't like admitting that their default appeal to "not questioning the answers" is in reality a sign of intellectual laziness/inferiority to the "seeking answers to the questions" mindset that atheists are far more likely to ascribe to.

Science is always open to be questioned for its veracity. The same cant be said of religion.

everything needs to be created. Your cell phone, your computer or whatever you're using right now was created--probably in a factory or something like that, BY a human being or robot. Point is, there was a creator.

Now apply that same logic to the universe and you have GOD.

Why is this so hard to acknowledge?

Evolution is like a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and assembling a perfectly functioning Boeing 747.

[B]RIP athiesm.[/B]

[QUOTE=TommyGriffin]Evolution is like a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and assembling a perfectly functioning Boeing 747.[/QUOTE]
whoa cowboy, hold up a second there, you are putting the cart before the horse. BACK UP!
how did the "tornado" get here? The "junkyard"? TRACE IT BACK! How did the beginning pieces get here in order to create your perfect storm scenario? The Big Bang I guess--who created the Big Bang?

[QUOTE=CleveTown

[QUOTE=CleveTown

There's a reason why athesim rhymes with autism

[QUOTE=Draz]There's a reason why athesim rhymes with autism[/QUOTE]

There's a reason athesim rhymes with dim.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Then who created God?

RIP religion.[/QUOTE]
God ALWAYS existed just like the Bible proclaims. He is eternal and exists outside of what we know and call time and space.

No matter which way you slice it, there has to be ONE eternal Being or an eternity of Gods creating subsequent Gods (which is pointless and contrary to Scripture).

I'll go with the Bible and believe there is just ONE Eternal God, the Creator.

[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]Because it's entirely possible that the fact that everything must have been created is a false human way of thinking?

This is literally the chicken and the egg here. You say there MUST have been a creator of the universe, okay, there MUST have been a creator of God then also[/QUOTE]
well then you have an eternity of Gods creating Gods....either way there has to be a first. Think about it.

No.

There is just one. And He is Eternal.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]There's a reason athesim rhymes with dim.[/QUOTE]
[I]'Athesim' is old Faarsi for atheism. Draz is very based. Don't be a bigot towards your fellow ISH bro.[/I]

Slap the fck outta everyone in dis

God has always been there. He is supernatural.

Science doesn't accept supernatural answers. According to Science, supernatural does not exist.

Therefore the burden of proof(or disproof) lies in the hands of Science.

[QUOTE=TommyGriffin]God has always been there. He is supernatural.

Science doesn't accept supernatural answers. According to Science, supernatural does not exist.

Therefore the burden of proof(or disproof) lies in the hands of Science.[/QUOTE]
Agree wholeheartedly.

[B]Hold this L, science.[/B]

[QUOTE=TommyGriffin]God has always been there. He is supernatural.

Science doesn't accept supernatural answers. According to Science, supernatural does not exist.

Therefore the burden of proof(or disproof) lies in the hands of Science.[/QUOTE]
yes this is true.

[QUOTE=CleveTown™]God ALWAYS existed just like the Bible proclaims.[/QUOTE]

The Egyptian pyramid texts tell us that the World arose from an infinite sea of chaos known as Nu. Several deities were involved with the process. The Sun God Ra, Atum, and others.

The Greeks, echoing the Egyptians, claimed the World arose from chaos and various primordial deities mating to create different aspect of creation, ie Erebus getting it on with night to create Ether, Gaia giving birth to Uranus, etc.

In the Avesta, Ahura Mazda, the one true God, was the creator of all things (Zoroastrianism being a HUGE influence on the Jews/Christians they encountered during the Baylonian Captivity).


^These schools of thought/religion predate the bible by centuries, meaning the authors were closer to the beginning of time/the World/the Universe.

Finish this sentence: The bible is correct and the others incorrect because...

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]The Egyptian pyramid texts tell us that the World arose from an infinite sea of chaos known as Nu. Several deities were involved with the process. The Sun God Ra, Atum, and others.

The Greeks, echoing the Egyptians, claimed the World arose from chaos and various primordial deities mating to create different aspect of creation, ie Erebus getting it on with night to create Ether, Gaia giving birth to Uranus, etc.

In the Avesta, Ahura Mazda, the one true God, was the creator of all things (Zoroastrianism being a HUGE influence on the Jews/Christians they encountered during the Baylonian Captivity).


^These schools of thought/religion predate the bible by centuries, meaning the authors were closer to the beginning of time/the World/the Universe.

Finish this sentence: The bible is correct and the others incorrect because...[/QUOTE]
Finish this sentence: The bible is correct and the others incorrect because...THE MEN WHO WALKED WITH JESUS ARE[B][U][I] EYE WITNESSES [/I][/U][/B]TO HIS POWER AS GOD. They are the key.

[QUOTE=CleveTown

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]No such eyewitness accounts exist, brojangles.

You've been bamboozled.[/QUOTE]
what an idiot, lol.

[QUOTE=CleveTown

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]No. You are.[/QUOTE]
I recommend you invest in the book "The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict" by Josh McDowell.

Or Lee Strobel's The Case For (Jesus, God, Faith) series available in book form or DVD, and even can be found on YouTube.

Or any of the Intelligent Design DVDs also available on YouTube.

But if someone does not want to believe, nothing will convince them otherwise. I don't want to beat my head against brick walls trying to win souls. The Holy Spirit's job is to do the "calling" and He will give you the tools you need exactly when you need them at the right time.

[QUOTE=CleveTown

if there is a god, then who created god? :eek:

let me know your answer.

[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]if there is a god, then who created god? :eek:

let me know your answer.[/QUOTE]
bro your question is dumb. THERE HAS TO BE CAUSE for every and all creation. what or where did that "cause" come from? It came from an intelligent designer: GOD.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]No dice.[/QUOTE]
you're a mooslim aren't you? you are used to sand.

[IMG]http://emergewithus.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/head_in_the_sand-461x307.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=CleveTown™]bro your question is dumb. THERE HAS TO BE CAUSE for every and all creation. what or where did that "cause" come from? It came from an intelligent designer: GOD.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm answer the question. who or what created god? did god pop out of thin air? isnt that the exact ideal you are contradicting, that the universe didnt pop out of nowhere? so god didnt either if there was one.

[QUOTE=CleveTown™]bro your question is dumb. THERE HAS TO BE CAUSE for every and all creation. what or where did that "cause" come from? It came from an intelligent designer: GOD.[/QUOTE]

So God had an intelligent designer who created him or God does not exist. Could not possibly exist, per your logic.

Problem solved- the Polytheists were right from the beginning. :bowdown:

[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]:facepalm answer the question. who or what created god? did god pop out of thin air? isnt that the exact ideal you are contradicting, that the universe didnt pop out of nowhere? so god didnt either if there was one.[/QUOTE]
To say God "popped up out of thin air" implies that He was created. Think of a circle. can you put your finger on any point on a circle? No. God always was, is, and is to come. He didnt pop up, He was always there.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]So God had an intelligent designer who created him or God does not exist. Could not possibly exist, per your logic.

Problem solved- the Polytheists were right from the beginning. :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Then how did the "first God" get here (the one who created God number 2 and so on?) What? You have an eternity of past Gods creating newer Gods? Do you hear how stupid that sounds? It would take MORE FAITH to believe that spiel than to believe there's just ONE God and HE is the eternal One.

[QUOTE=CleveTown™] [B]He didnt pop up, He was always there.[/B][/QUOTE]

from your original post "[B]everything needs to be created[/B]". well i guess i can argue that "the universe was always there" and god isnt a thing.

[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]from your original post "[B]everything needs to be created[/B]". well i guess i can argue that "the universe was always there" and god isnt a thing.[/QUOTE]
so you worship the creation (the universe) rather thanthe creator (God).

Rom 1:

Therefore God gave them up in the desires of their hearts to impurity for the dishonoring of their bodies with one another. 25[B][U]They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator, who is forever worthy of praise! Amen. [/U][/B]26For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. [U]Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

This is something we will NEVER find out. Our chances of finding out if alien life exist is much higher.