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Curry is useless if he's not hitting 3's..
Where is Stephen Curry?
[QUOTE]Brady Klopfer
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Steph is averaging 23.3 PPG on 68.0% true shooting, making him only the second player in NBA history to have those totals in a postseason of 8 or more games.[/QUOTE]
Curry's impact is overrated
Nick Wright was defending Curry over Kawhi by saying that curry provides this amazing spacing - horseshit - that's another feel-good narrative that is false
Curry is just 1 guy - he draws his man out to the perimeter - that's it - he needs his teammates to ALSO stand behind the line to draw their man out and space the floor - it takes a whole team to properly space the floor
Otoh, a devastating rim attacker shifts an entire defense all by himself (defenders must cheat off their man to help at the rim or on penetration)
curry is not riding the coat tails of KD , he is ironing on KD's mom's ironing board....
Most are stans, trolls, retarded - or all three - unfortunately :lol
:cheers:
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Ok.
There seems to be confusion.
I am not arguing that Curry could replace any player on a team and do as good or better in that role. Of course Curry couldn't replace Harden and do as well in that system.
However, you aren't understanding why Dantoni does that system...it is because of Harden. He adapted it to fit Harden.
You act like that is how they played in Phoenix with Nash. They didn't obviously...not at all.
If Curry was on the Rockets in place of Harden they would play much more like the Suns did, but Curry would play off ball more than Nash in part because of skillset and in part because of Paul.
Also, almost every team sets a ton of screens. Again, I'm not sure what league you guys are watching. You act as if "setting screens" is some cheat or that it is specific to the Warriors...and that just isn't the case at all. And, of course, the reason the Warriors set so many "off screens" is because of the skillsets of Curry and Klay. It isn't like a system is just set in stone...coaches aren't dumb enough to get a guy like Curry and not run him off of tons of screens to cause a lot of problems for defenses.
I don't think you are understanding the order of events properly.[/QUOTE]
There's a video showing the dunks that curry creates
Except every PG in the league does the same thing - they get trapped on the high screen roll and it results in a dunk for a teammate
Again, he's considerably overrated... It's because of his local paperboy look.. his every day look - so people like to overrate him
[QUOTE=3ball]
Again, he's considerably overrated... It's because of his local paperboy look.. his every day look - so people like to overrate him[/QUOTE]
More likely he gets underrated for that reason.
Yep...
The guy that has done;
26/5/7 64% TS 121 ortg in the regular season the last 6 years...with a plus 17.2 on/off
26/6/6 62% TS 116 ortg in the playoffs the last 6 years...with a plus 10.3 on/off
Yep, that guy, who has led a team to a title and the most wins in NBA history, is "considerably over-rated"...when he's never even in the discussion for the best player in the league anymore.
Seriously, what the **** is wrong with some of you?
How many better 6 year runs are there in NBA history when you combine his level of play, impact, and team success? List will be very short...
So lets tap the brakes on "considerably over-rated" please.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Yep...
The guy that has done;
26/5/7 64% TS 121 ortg in the regular season the last 6 years...with a plus 17.2 on/off
26/6/6 62% TS 116 ortg in the playoffs the last 6 years...with a plus 10.3 on/off
Yep, that guy, who has led a team to a title and the most wins in NBA history, is "considerably over-rated"...when he's never even in the discussion for the best player in the league anymore.
Seriously, what the **** is wrong with some of you?
How many better 6 year runs are there in NBA history when you combine his level of play, impact, and team success? List will be very short...
So lets tap the brakes on "considerably over-rated" please.[/QUOTE]
Shut up, you dont even watch games
[QUOTE=3ball]There's a video showing the dunks that curry creates
Except every PG in the league does the same thing - they get trapped on the high screen roll and it results in a dunk for a teammate
Again, he's considerably overrated... It's because of his local paperboy look.. his every day look - so people like to overrate him[/QUOTE]
thats patently false...
nobody has been doubled as far out or often as curry.
hes a half court fastbreak engine the likes of which the league has never seen.
and the brotherhood hates him... being shown up by such a relatively frail character rustles jimmies.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Yep...
The guy that has done;
26/5/7 64% TS 121 ortg in the regular season the last 6 years...with a plus 17.2 on/off
26/6/6 62% TS 116 ortg in the playoffs the last 6 years...with a plus 10.3 on/off
Yep, that guy, who has led a team to a title and the most wins in NBA history, is "considerably over-rated"...when he's never even in the discussion for the best player in the league anymore.
Seriously, what the **** is wrong with some of you?
How many better 6 year runs are there in NBA history when you combine his level of play, impact, and team success? List will be very short...
So lets tap the brakes on "considerably over-rated" please.[/QUOTE]
Seriously
Curry's been underrated for years just because he hasn't won FMVP.
2017 Curry is just nuts from a statistical standpoint
28/6/7/2 on 65.9%TS and in only 35.4 mpg with a 125 ORTG.
Lebron averaged more than 26.3 ppg in only one of his championship runs and on much worse efficiency and he played significantly more minutes.
[QUOTE=ImKobe]Seriously
Curry's been underrated for years just because he hasn't won FMVP.
2017 Curry is just nuts from a statistical standpoint
28/6/7/2 on 65.9%TS and in only 35.4 mpg with a 125 ORTG.
Lebron averaged more than 26.3 ppg in only one of his championship runs and on much worse efficiency and he played significantly more minutes.[/QUOTE]
Thread about Curry, responding to a post about Curry....
ImKobe: “LeBron”
:yaohappy:
[QUOTE=tpols]thats patently false...
nobody has been doubled as far out or often as curry.
hes a half court fastbreak engine the likes of which the league has never seen.
and the brotherhood hates him... being shown up by such a relatively frail character rustles jimmies.[/QUOTE]
It's completely overblown - lillard is a comparable long range threat... And Curry's lack of defensive impact or rim attack compared to say, Kawhi, offsets drawing standard double teams a few feet further out on the floor
Again, it's drastically overblown because he has the boy-next-door look... That's how humans are.. that's how we operate
And [url=http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13681661&postcount=41]80%[/url] of Curry's threes either "open" or "wide open" - today's offensive sets get good looks on 3-pointers, regardless of how the defense is playing
[QUOTE=3ball]It's completely overblown - [B]lillard is a comparable long range threat[/B]... And Curry's lack of defensive impact or rim attack compared to say, Kawhi, offsets drawing standard double teams a few feet further out on the floor
Again, it's drastically overblown because he has the boy-next-door look... That's how humans are.. that's how we operate
And [url=http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13681661&postcount=41]80%[/url] of Curry's threes either "open" or "wide open" - today's offensive sets get good looks on 3-pointers, regardless of how the defense is playing[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Stop posting.
[QUOTE=3ball]It's completely overblown - lillard is a comparable long range threat... And Curry's lack of defensive impact or rim attack compared to say, Kawhi, offsets drawing standard double teams a few feet further out on the floor
Again, it's drastically overblown because he has the boy-next-door look... That's how humans are.. that's how we operate
And [url=http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13681661&postcount=41]80%[/url] of Curry's threes either "open" or "wide open" - today's offensive sets get good looks on 3-pointers, regardless of how the defense is playing[/QUOTE]
And that 80% is because Curry took 8 attempts a game from at least 25+ feet out.:facepalm Easy to be open and wide open when you can simply shoot it in rhythm and 30 feet from the hoop.
[QUOTE=RRR3]:roll: :roll: :roll:
Stop posting.[/QUOTE]
He's bordering on troll and lunatic :lol
[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]And that 80% is because Curry took 8 attempts a game from at least 25+ feet out.:facepalm Easy to be open and wide open when you can simply shoot it in rhythm and 30 feet from the hoop.[/QUOTE]
glaring ommision of perspective by our resident 3ball.
absent eye test. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=3ball]It's completely overblown - lillard is a comparable long range threat... And Curry's lack of defensive impact or rim attack compared to say, Kawhi, offsets drawing standard double teams a few feet further out on the floor
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And [url=http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13681661&postcount=41]80%[/url] of Curry's threes either "open" or "wide open" - today's offensive sets get good looks on 3-pointers, regardless of how the defense is playing[/QUOTE]
The Dame is Curry comparison has become a meme at this point. I wonder if people realize it is a joke or if they actually expect others to take it seriously? Just a reminder: Curry met the Trail Blazers in the playoffs in two series already and the Trail Blazers haven't won a game yet in any of those games in which Curry played.
As for Curry's open looks, that just highlights one of Curry's overlooked strengths. He's fast and mobile and has a great off-ball game. He can also shoot it from 30+ feet.
[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]
And that 80% is because Curry took 8 attempts a game from at least 25+ feet out.:facepalm Easy to be open and wide open when you can simply shoot it in rhythm and 30 feet from the hoop.[/QUOTE]
No Mr. Ignorant
the ENTIRE LEAGUE shoots 80% of threes as "open" or "wide open"
Keep trying guys.. I suppose curry appears to be a stand-up guy and worth defending.. so carry on
[QUOTE=RRR3]Thread about Curry, responding to a post about Curry....
ImKobe: “LeBron”
:yaohappy:[/QUOTE]
I'm just using Lebron as an example. Since we have a huge number of Lebron fans, it's something I wanted to point out. Steph's 2017 Playoff numbers are on par with a lot of all-time greats just from a pure statistical standpoint and he wasn't far off from averaging a triple-double in the Finals on a 16 - 1 Playoff team.
[QUOTE=3ball]No Mr. Ignorant
[U]the ENTIRE LEAGUE shoots 80% of threes as "open" or "wide open"[/U]
Keep trying guys.. I suppose curry appears to be a stand-up guy and worth defending.. so carry on[/QUOTE]
Back that up.
[QUOTE=ImKobe]I'm just using Lebron as an example. Since we have a huge number of Lebron fans, it's something I wanted to point out. Steph's 2017 Playoff numbers are on par with a lot of all-time greats just from a pure statistical standpoint and he wasn't far off from averaging a triple-double in the Finals on a 16 - 1 Playoff team.[/QUOTE]
Sure but what about LBJ's
15, 17, 18 years too...
[QUOTE=TheCorporation]Sure but what about LBJ's
15, 17, 18 years too...[/QUOTE]
Time of Possession
[Indent]Harden 2019 Regular Season - 9.5 minutes
Lebron 2015 Finals - 12.2 minutes
Lebron 2018 Finals - 11.0 minutes
[I][COLOR="black"]Curry 2017 Finals - [B]6.2[/B] minutes[/COLOR][/I]
[url]https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1[/url][/indent]
So it doesn't count if ur employing a blowout loss brand of ball to get those stats - literally the most ball-dominance ever (much more than 19' Harden) and his team was massively out-assisted
Obviously, any great player would get those stats if he dominated the ball that much - how much would Steph get if he [U]doubled[/U] his time to match Lebron's??. :eek: .. :rolleyes: .. :facepalm
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[QUOTE=TheCorporation]Sure but what about LBJ's
15, 17, 18 years too...[/QUOTE]
Show below 40% in 2015 and went 7/22 at home when he could have gone up 3 - 1 on the series, got outplayed by Curry in the 3 straight losses when it came to crunch time.
Remember that Game 5? I believe James puts the Cavs up 1 in the middle of the 4th and Steph just goes off and ends up scoring 17 in the quarter.
First two games aside, Steph shot 47.7% from three on 11 attempts per game for the last 4 games of the series and didn't win FMVP, that's just outrageous.
[QUOTE=3ball]Time of Possession
[Indent]Harden 2019 Regular Season - 9.5 minutes
Lebron 2015 Finals - 12.2 minutes
Lebron 2018 Finals - 11.0 minutes
[I][COLOR="black"]Curry 2017 Finals - [B]6.2[/B] minutes[/COLOR][/I]
[url]https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1[/url][/indent]
So it doesn't count if ur employing a blowout loss brand of ball to get those stats - literally the most ball-dominance ever (much more than 19' Harden) and his team was massively out-assisted
Obviously, any great player would get those stats if he dominated the ball that much - how much would Steph get if he [U]doubled[/U] his time to match Lebron's??. :eek: .. :rolleyes: .. :facepalm
.[/QUOTE]
Yawnnn
How dumb are you? Couldn't I just spin this around and say that most players don't wield the ability to handle the ball for that long? As soon as Curry faces a double team he passes the ball immediately because he's no longer effective. Part of the importance of holding the ball is keeping a live dribble, having good vision/IQ to recognize a double, and the ability to split a double-team. You're underrating these things severely.
Next
[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]Back that up.[/QUOTE]
If I prove it
Will you concede that I'm right?
Actually, who cares - I'm going to prove it anyway with NBA.com screenshots
The league average will be higher than 80% btw because curry DOES shoot more contested threes than the league average..
I [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404693]did this[/url] a couple years ago and the league average was 80% and curry was at 70 - so teams have gotten even better at generating open threes and the record league ortg reflects that
[QUOTE=3ball]If I prove it
Will you concede that I'm right?
Actually, who cares - I'm going to prove it anyway with NBA.com screenshots
The league average will be higher than 80% btw because curry DOES shoot more contested threes than the league average..
I [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404693]did this[/url] a couple years ago and the league average was 80% and curry was at 70 - so teams have gotten even better at generating open threes and the record league ortg reflects that[/QUOTE]
None of that even works.
[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]None of that even works.[/QUOTE]
NBA.com changes their links all the time unfortunately
However, here's the link to the shot dashboard that I'm about to post it
[url]https://stats.nba.com/teams/shots-closest-defender/?sort=TEAM_NAME&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season[/url]
Scroll to the last 3 columns on the right for 3PA stats, and you can sort for distance (of the defender)
[QUOTE=ImKobe]I'm just using Lebron as an example. Since we have a huge number of Lebron fans, it's something I wanted to point out. Steph's 2017 Playoff numbers are on par with a lot of all-time greats just from a pure statistical standpoint and he wasn't far off from averaging a triple-double in the Finals on a 16 - 1 Playoff team.[/QUOTE]
You ALWAYS use LeBron
Steph hasn't been bad by regular bball standards. Steph isn't being judged by regular standards though he's being judged by the standard his Stan's set for him. Wether it's the Best player on his team or in the world. Some have even gone as far to suggest he's better or as good as mj and LeBron offensively.
Steph has been good I don't think anyone's arguing that. He hasn't been great though and great is the standard to which he is measured against.
[B][SIZE="3"][COLOR="DarkGreen"]Team 3PA per game with Closest Defender 0-2 Feet (very tight) - [url=https://stats.nba.com/teams/shots-closest-defender/?sort=TEAM_NAME&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]link[/url][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
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[I][SIZE="3"][COLOR="DarkRed"][B]Average 3PA per game with defender within 0-2 feet:[/SIZE][/I][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] [I][SIZE="4"]0.267 3PA per game[/SIZE][/I][/b][/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][SIZE="3"]Team 3PA per game with Closest Defender 2-4 Feet (tight) - [url=https://stats.nba.com/teams/shots-closest-defender/sort=TEAM_NAME&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight]link[/url][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]
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[SIZE="3"][B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Average 3PA per game with defender within 2-4 feet:[COLOR="White"].[/color][SIZE="4"]3.293[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE]
[B][COLOR="Navy"][I][SIZE="3"]Total 3PA per game with defender within 0-2 feet (very tight) or 2-4 feet (tight):[/SIZE][/I][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] [I][SIZE="4"]3.56 3PA per game[/SIZE][/I][/COLOR][/B]
[I][SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]Total 3PA per game:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 32.0
Total 3PA per game with defender at least 4 feet away (open):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 32.0 - 3.56 = 28.44
[B]Percentage of threes that are open:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 28.45/32.0 = 88.9% (80% for Curry)[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/I]
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[QUOTE=3ball][B][SIZE="3"][COLOR="DarkGreen"]Team 3PA with Closest Defender 0-2 Feet (very tight) - [url=https://stats.nba.com/teams/shots-closest-defender/?sort=TEAM_NAME&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]link[/url][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-03-2019/Wu2nmR.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-03-2019/qR3gAc.gif[/IMG]
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[I][SIZE="3"][COLOR="DarkRed"][B]Team's average 3PA per game with defender within 0-2 feet:[/SIZE][/I][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] [I][SIZE="4"]0.267 3PA per game[/SIZE][/I][/b][/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][SIZE="3"]Team 3PA with Closest Defender 2-4 Feet (tight) - [url=https://stats.nba.com/teams/shots-closest-defender/sort=TEAM_NAME&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight]link[/url][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]
[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-03-2019/LkoMtS.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-03-2019/3M3hm6.gif[/IMG]
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[SIZE="3"][B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Average 3PA per game with defender within 2-4 feet:[COLOR="White"].[/color][SIZE="4"]3.293[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE]
[B][COLOR="Navy"][I][SIZE="3"]Total 3PA per game with defender within 0-2 feet (very tight) or 2-4 feet (tight):[/SIZE][/I][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] [I][SIZE="4"]3.56 3PA per game[/SIZE][/I][/COLOR][/B]
[I][SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]Total 3PA per game:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 32.0
Total 3PA per game with defender at least 4 feet away (open):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 32.0 - 3.56 = 28.44
[B]Percentage of threes that are open:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 28.45/32.0 = 88.9% (80% for Curry)[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/I][/QUOTE]
The beauty of The Curry System :bowdown:
Missing: Stephen Curry
Last seen: Regular season
Description: Misses layups and dunks like it's going out of style while playing bad defense.
He's been a little banged up by injury lately like he was in 2016. It doesn't look as severe as it was in 2016 though.
Curry has played like shit majority of these playoffs.
[QUOTE=Cold soul]Curry has played like shit majority of these playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Amen brotha :cheers:
[QUOTE=And1AllDay]Where is Steph?[/QUOTE]
At the gym practicing layups :oldlol:
"KD had to join Curry in order to beat lebron!"
Oh you mean the guy putting up 21 a game? That guy?
Way to stick your d1ck in your mouth. :lol
You now agree that KD could have went to any team that had a guy putting up 21 and still beat his ass in 2017 and 2018. LeBron is his bitch. Enjoy.
Damn.. this is too easy. Lefail stans just ether themselves. I don't even have to do it anymore. :applause:
[QUOTE=egokiller]"KD had to join Curry in order to beat lebron!"
Oh you mean the guy putting up 21 a game? That guy?
Way to stick your d1ck in your mouth. :lol
You now agree that KD could have went to any team that had a guy putting up 21 and still beat his ass in 2017 and 2018. LeBron is his bitch. Enjoy.
Damn.. this is too easy. Lefail stans just ether themselves. I don't even have to do it anymore. :applause:[/QUOTE]
Hmm Interesting, I never knew the Warriors only had two players on their team. When did they trade Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, and Andre Iguodala?
The more you know :lol
[QUOTE=TheCorporation]Hmm Interesting, I never knew the Warriors only had two players on their team. When did they trade Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, and Andre Iguodala?
The more you know :lol[/QUOTE]
Kyrie matches Curry
Love matches Klay
So ur telling me that the guy you think is the greatest player of all time can't overcome Draymond?.. And Iggy is a 7 ppg bench player that every team can match
MJ won 6 rings beating better top-to-bottom casts