How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a

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2700 post sucking off your idol, keep up the good fight[/QUOTE] 147 posts hating on LeBron even though he doesn't know you as a person. Keep up the good fight.

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[QUOTE=Rico2016;14006371]2004 Olympics, yikes

Duncan was a vet
LeBron a literal rookie[/QUOTE]

An odd thing for a "Duncan fan" account to keep raising, isn't it? :lol

[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14006521]Did LeBron throw the series because he was afraid to face Kobe?[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=theman93;14006796]:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

I think he is just a guy who loses to inferior players unless he joins players that won as the man already.

The Magic were a good team. Hedo Turkgulu is underrated and Rafer Alston got hot.

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp;14006257]He didn't win MVP that year either. Either case Duncan still beat the crap out of Lebron twice and badly, so what does that say about Lebron?[/QUOTE]

Says that LeBron never lost to the #8 seed, while being the #1 seed. Also, never shamed his country during his PEAK by winning a bronze medal.

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp;13802053]How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a 4x DPOY on his squad.[/QUOTE]

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Would have made :lebroncry:


LeBron didn't want to face this beast.

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Would have made :lebroncry:


LeBron didn't want to face this beast.[/QUOTE] Hyperbolic statement. Oh well.

It's worth noting that before the Magic faced against the Cavs in the 2009 Playoffs, the Orlando Magic had won 7 of the last 10 regular season games prior to the series. They were a horrible matchup for the Cavaliers.

Howard was destroying Big Z in the high post and low post in that series. The Cavaliers bigs couldn't stop him.

The Lakers were FAR more equipped to deal with Dwight Howard because the Lakers had more mobile bigs to stop Howard from wrecking the paint. They had Gasol, Odom, and Bynum.

Dwight Howard against Cavaliers WEAK frontcourt

PPG- 25.8

Dwight Howard against Lakers STRONG frontcourt

PPG- 15.2

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Howard didn't just magically turn into a bad player overnight. The Lakers had a cohesive frontcourt to stop Howard from doing whatever he wanted.

[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;14010111]It's worth noting that before the Magic faced against the Cavs in the 2009 Playoffs, the Orlando Magic had won 7 of the last 10 regular season games prior to the series. They were a horrible matchup for the Cavaliers.

Howard was destroying Big Z in the high post and low post in that series. The Cavaliers bigs couldn't stop him.

The Lakers were FAR more equipped to deal with Dwight Howard because the Lakers had more mobile bigs to stop Howard from wrecking the paint. They had Gasol, Odom, and Bynum.[/QUOTE]

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Cool story bro

Black Mamba was waiting

[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;14010119]Dwight Howard against Cavaliers WEAK frontcourt

PPG- 25.8

Dwight Howard against Lakers STRONG frontcourt

PPG- 15.2

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Howard didn't just magically turn into a bad player overnight. The Lakers had a cohesive frontcourt to stop Howard from doing whatever he wanted.[/QUOTE]


Lebron should have just guarded Dwight, since he can guard all 5 positions.

LeBron James was by FAR the best player in the series posting the best GmSc (simpler PER) of anyone in the series. Everyone puts on the blame on LeBron but not his supporting cast? Double standards by some people in this thread.

Mo Williams was getting outperformed by Hedo and Lewis. Lewis was the 2nd option and Hedo was the 3rd option. Mo Williams in his absolute prime was getting outplayed by a 3rd option on the opposing team.

Also the Cavs bench was flat outright terrible in the series. The average GmSc of the bench was [B]1.6[/B].

The average GmSc of the Magic Bench was [B]5.1[/B].

There's no way that you can possibly blame LeBron when he was by definition the best player in the series statistically. His team and bench just didn't show up in the series.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic;14010128]Lebron should have just guarded Dwight, since he can guard all 5 positions.[/QUOTE] Nice strawman. I always believed that LeBron can guard centers for short periods of time but not always because it's just not sustainable for full play. More realistically he can guard 1-4.

Nice try though. Tricked me with that mental gymmastics. Still doesn't change the fact that Kobe had the more stronger frontcourt than LeBron had that series no matter how you slice it or twist it as.

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Cool story bro

Black Mamba was waiting[/QUOTE] You made no effort to address my points. Either put up or stfu.

[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;14010119]Dwight Howard against Cavaliers WEAK frontcourt

PPG- 25.8

Dwight Howard against Lakers STRONG frontcourt

PPG- 15.2

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Howard didn't just magically turn into a bad player overnight. The Lakers had a cohesive frontcourt to stop Howard from doing whatever he wanted.[/QUOTE]

Dwight averaged 26 ppg, what about the other 77 ppg Orlando scored? Why couldn't LeBron shutdown either Hedo or Rashard Lewis each averaged above their season averages?

I know I know, Bran needed more help :blah

[QUOTE=Sarcastic;14010128]Lebron should have just guarded Dwight, since he can guard all 5 positions.[/QUOTE]

Exactly

[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14010151]Dwight averaged 26 ppg, what about the other 77 ppg Orlando scored? Why couldn't LeBron shutdown either Hedo or Rashard Lewis each averaged above their season averages?

I know I know, Bran needed more help :blah[/QUOTE]
This. They eviscerated the Cavs with outside shooting not just Dwight in the middle - the shooting was what killed us and also the Cavs offense looked painfully stagnet. LeBron was freezing the ball I don't know if the coach was writing that up or what but the Cavs offense was atrocious vs the Magic that year.

[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14010151]Dwight averaged 26 ppg, what about the other 77 ppg Orlando scored? Why couldn't LeBron shutdown either Hedo or Rashard Lewis each averaged above their season averages?

I know I know, Bran needed more help :blah[/QUOTE] Actually that's a good question. The Orlando players FG% plummeted when LeBron was man vs man and when LeBron was on the floor. LeBron wasn't a issue at all in the series. But hey keep sprouting bullshit to make you happy, SamuraiSwish.

I'm def not reading this dumbass thread. A bunch of these games are on youtube. Go watch them. The Magic were really good. They were one of the best 3-point shooting teams of all time at that point. They were designed like the Hakeem Rockets, but had better perimeter guys and a worse offensive post player (by far ofc).

That team was really really good. LeBron's Cavs had tough defenders, but not very much shooting or playmaking.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14006769]An odd thing for a "Duncan fan" account to keep raising, isn't it? :lol[/QUOTE]

Bronze medal is bronze medal. If you go to war and get injured or killed at 16 vs 26 it has the same results. Age is irrelevant in that case. Same for bronze medals in basketball

[QUOTE=hiphopanonymous;14010154]This. They eviscerated the Cavs with outside shooting not just Dwight in the middle - the shooting was what killed us and also the Cavs offense looked painfully stagnet. LeBron was freezing the ball I don't know if the coach was writing that up or what but the Cavs offense was atrocious vs the Magic that year.[/QUOTE]

LeBron attempts most of his shots around the rim. A guy like Dwight Howard makes it tough on him.

[QUOTE=SpaceJam;13802098]Didn't Duncan lose as the 1st seed to the Grizz (8th) led by ZBo, who hadn't won a playoff series up until that point? CRAZY[/QUOTE]

Wrap this up

[QUOTE=ELITEpower23;14011925]Wrap this up[/QUOTE]

And that's why Duncan isn't a goat candidate, just like lebron shouldn't be... :confusedshrug:

It's disqualifying to lose as the favorite or with a 1 or 2 seed

It's disqualifying to have teammates lead in scoring for numerous series

It's disqualifying to be the biggest loser in the championship of the modern era/3-pointer basketball

It's disqualifying to only go 3/7 with super-teams from 11-17'

It's disqualifying to need 2 perennial all-stars to win

It's disqualifying

It's

[QUOTE=3ball;14011989]And that's why Duncan isn't a goat candidate, just like lebron shouldn't be... :confusedshrug:

It's disqualifying to lose as the favorite or with a 1 or 2 seed

It's disqualifying to have teammates lead in scoring for numerous series

It's disqualifying to be the biggest loser in the championship of the modern era/3-pointer basketball

It's disqualifying to only go 3/7 with super-teams from 11-17'

It's disqualifying to need 2 perennial all-stars to win

It's disqualifying

It's[/QUOTE]

Is 1-9 disqualifying too?

[QUOTE=ELITEpower23;14011998]Is 1-9 disqualifying too?[/QUOTE]

That's Lebron's record against the Spurs in 2007/2014 or vs Warriors 2017/2018 or Spurs 2014 and Warriors 2017 and this all with 2 or more other stars on his squad. :oldlol: And this after switching teams trying to forms superteams. Imagine Greece at it's peak with Alexander the Great trying to be the conquerer and then all of a sudden another nation out of the blue like China pops up and starts to dominate and takes over and then we just making excuses for why Alexander the Great didn't become the superpower.

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp;14012084]That's Lebron's record against the Spurs in 2007/2014 or vs Warriors 2017/2018 or Spurs 2014 and Warriors 2017 and this all with 2 or more other stars on his squad. :oldlol: And this after switching teams trying to forms superteams. Imagine Greece at it's peak with Alexander the Great trying to be the conquerer and then all of a sudden another nation out of the blue like China pops up and starts to dominate and takes over and then we just making excuses for why Alexander the Great didn't become the superpower.[/QUOTE]

You did an awful lot of writing. How many first round failures does MJ have?

[QUOTE=ELITEpower23;14012093]You did an awful lot of writing. How many first round failures does MJ have?[/QUOTE]

How many missed playoffs does Lebron have? How many titles does he have for the franchise that drafted him? How many bronze medals does he have? How many titles does he have without leaving the original franchise that drafted him and led them to a title w/o a suspension?

[QUOTE=ELITEpower23;14011998]Is 1-9 disqualifying too?[/QUOTE]

Losing in the 8 vs 1 matchup is the worst odds possible - that isn't a knock - it's the only way the goat SHOULD lose

Otoh lebron loses as the favorite many times... No comparison

Lebron sucks compared to MJ... Literally sucks.. lebron loses with the best odds, and MJ only the worst

[QUOTE=3ball;14012109]Losing in the 8 vs 1 matchup (worst odds possible) isn't a knock - it's the only way the goat SHOULD lose

Otoh lebron loses as the favorite many times... No comparison

Lebron sucks compared to MJ... Literally sucks[/QUOTE]

How many rings does MJ win without Pippen? 1 or 0?

[QUOTE=ELITEpower23;14012115]How many rings does MJ win without Pippen? 1 or 0?[/QUOTE]

Only matters if the player won league or finals mvp or led a team to the title as the only allstar. Ben Wallace did that, Lebron couldn't win with him. Shaq won 3 finals mvp's, Lebron couldn't win with him. Lebron played with Wade who won finals mvp and Lebron vanished.
He lost to Dirk and because of that we see Dirk in a different light. Dirk against MJ would be seen the same as Barkley and Malone. Players in Lebron's own era has as many titles as he does, let that sink in for a second and this for players that came into the league after Lebron.:roll:

[QUOTE=ELITEpower23;14012115]How many rings does MJ win without Pippen? 1 or 0?[/QUOTE]

Pippen is 1 perennial all-star

Lebron always needed 2 to win

And there's never been a bigger statistical gap between a #1 and 2 option than MJ and Pippen... mj built and carried him... Pippen was bad in most ECF and Finals - if we only looked at those stats, we'd vomit..

[QUOTE=3ball;14012124]Pippen is 1 perennial all-star

Lebron always needed 2 to win

And there's never been a bigger statistical gap between a #1 and 2 option than MJ and Pippen... mj built and carried him... Pippen was bad in most ECF and Finals - if we only looked at those stats, we'd vomit..[/QUOTE]

How many rings does MJ win without Pippen? 0, or 1?

[QUOTE=ELITEpower23;14012456]How many rings does MJ win without Pippen? 0, or 1?[/QUOTE]

He nearly beat the Pistons in 89' and 90' despite 10 ppg from Pippen

He easily wins with KJ (who beat Magic's 1 seeded Lakers in 90') or Worthy who owned the Bad Boys

KJ or Worthy would 3-peat with MJ from 88-90', while pippen was aids... Pippen simply won the "play with MJ" lottery, so the winning spotlight inflated his inferior stats

How did Lebron lose to a career loser in Dwight Howard who never beat anyone else.

[QUOTE=ELITEpower23;14012456]How many rings does MJ win without Pippen? 0, or 1?[/QUOTE]

Also notice they diss Pippen 24/7 but rarely compare him to the opposing #2's. They were, on finals and ECF opponents: Dumars, Worthy, Daughtery, Porter, Starks, Johnson, Penny, Kemp, Hardaway, Stockton, Smits. Pippen easily is the best of the bunch. I know Stockton is ranked a few spots behind Pippen all-time but peak wise and prime wise they aren't close.

Pippen consistently outplayed these guys--a luxury not all legends have had from their #2...

Orlando that year in that series had the worst backcourt of all time in Rafer Alston and a Rookie SG in Courtney Lee.

They got Shaq in 2010 for this purpose but never faced Dwight. Cleveland in 2009 was more built for Boston and Cleveland in 2010 more built for Orlando but vice versa happened on who they played.