Kobe vs Lebron - Who is considered better?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14596617]Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS


:roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]


Based on the scoring and efficiency stats that you posted above, Lebron's Finals from 2007, 2011, 2013 and 2014 are worse than Kobe's 2000-2004..

And we should really only look at the last 3 Finals where Kobe was top dog - the other Finals were deferring and elevating Shaq - Shaq was a guy that got swept repeatedly until Kobe came of age to close games for him.

Of course, Kobe had elite jumpshooting skill, so his scoring was partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role, while Lebron's scoring reduces teammates to spot-up roles - this reduction of teammates and brand requires more help to win much LESS.. Of course Kobe's elite jumpshooting skill also allows him to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), which requires less help than the juggernaut scoring help that Lebron needs

[QUOTE=Westbrook_Fan;14596597]Kobe missed the playoffs with Prime Dwight, LeBron won a championship with a washed up Dwight

case closed...[/QUOTE]

Kobe beat Prime Dwight while Lebron lost to Prime Dwight with HCA.

[QUOTE=Cold soul;14597086]Easily Curry especially if he never wins FMVP but Giannis is up for debate atm.[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't be too sure about that. If the Warriors win this year + Curry gets FMVP, then I think there can at least be a debate. Granted I would still probably have Kobe higher.

1 on 1 - Kobe (might be the greatest 1 on 1 player in NBA history)
Legacy, team, accomplishments and versatility - Lebron

[QUOTE=Taurus;14597181]Wouldn't be too sure about that. If the Warriors win this year + Curry gets FMVP, then I think there can at least be a debate. Granted I would still probably have Kobe higher.[/QUOTE]

KB is a much better defensive player while Curry has an edge with his 3PT ability, but what we've seen is that the 3PT shot is really volatile and even Steph is prone to bad shooting stretches. No one's hunting prime Kobe on defense like they do with Steph.

[QUOTE=HighFlyer23;14596754]LeBron eclipsed Kobe a while ago[/QUOTE]

How so?

[QUOTE=Taurus;14597181]Wouldn't be too sure about that. If the Warriors win this year + Curry gets FMVP, then I think there can at least be a debate. Granted I would still probably have Kobe higher.[/QUOTE]

Kobe is much better all around player than Curry is especially when you factor in defense side of the ball Curry has always been average defender at best while Kobe was lock down defender at his peak.

[QUOTE=John8204;14597192]1 on 1 - Kobe (might be the greatest 1 on 1 player in NBA history)
Legacy, team, accomplishments and versatility - Lebron[/QUOTE]

Well said. :applause:

[QUOTE=John8204;14597192]1 on 1 - Kobe (might be the greatest 1 on 1 player in NBA history)
Legacy, team, accomplishments and versatility - Lebron[/QUOTE]

Legacy, Team, Accomplishments and Versatility is Kobe as well. He won 5 titles for the franchise he originally played for. He also beat Dwight Howard and KG while Lebron had to change teams to beat KG. Also Kobe has more all defensive first teams.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14597833]Legacy, Team, Accomplishments and Versatility is Kobe as well. He won 5 titles for the franchise he originally played for. He also beat Dwight Howard and KG while Lebron had to change teams to beat KG. Also Kobe has more all defensive first teams.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. It's dumb to say that Bran has better team accomplishments when he won less rings and never 3-Peated and never had a dominant 15 - 1 Playoff run like KB.

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

:lol

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14597844]Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

:lol[/QUOTE]

Lebron never 3 peated and he lost with Shaq in round 2 and only won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that he originally played for.

Legacy, Team, Accomplishments and Versatility is Kobe as well. He won 5 titles for the franchise he originally played for. He also beat Dwight Howard and KG while Lebron had to change teams to beat KG. Also Kobe has more all defensive first teams

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14597861]Lebron never 3 peated and he lost with Shaq in round 2.
[/QUOTE]

Kobe didn't win FMVP during that 3 peat. :lol

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14597864]Kobe didn't win FMVP during that 3 peat. :lol[/QUOTE]

He won more titles for the franchise that he originally played for than Lebron did. He also lost less series with HCA than Lebron and Kobe also didn't ever win bronze medal for USA.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14597844]Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

:lol[/QUOTE]

For so called "Lakers fan" you sure have a lot of hate for Kobe it's really odd and strange to say the least. :wtf:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14597864]Kobe didn't win FMVP during that 3 peat. :lol[/QUOTE]

The majority of players are taking a back set to peak Shaq including Lebron just saying.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14597864]Kobe didn't win FMVP during that 3 peat. :lol[/QUOTE]

So I guess it's worse to win a title not be the MVP than to put up empty stats in historic blowout losses? Kobe was the best player in the toughest series/games in those runs, but I guess him not being the MVP against weak EC opponents devalues his championships, right? Imagine doing the same boring shtick for 15 years.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14597977]So I guess it's worse to win a title not be the MVP than to put up empty stats in historic blowout losses? Kobe was the best player in the toughest series/games in those runs, but I guess him not being the MVP against weak EC opponents devalues his championships, right? Imagine doing the same boring shtick for 15 years.[/QUOTE]

The sad thing is he pretends to be a Lakers fan. No way in hell he is one. :facepalm

Basketball = LeBron
Rape = Kobe

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14597844]Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

:lol[/QUOTE]

SHUT it DOWN

[QUOTE=Cold soul;14597982]The sad thing is he pretends to be a Lakers fan. No way in hell he is one. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

He's just a Bran stan who gets off on trolling on ISH with one of his many accounts.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14597990]He's just a Bran stan who gets off on trolling on ISH with one of his many accounts.[/QUOTE]

So many alts and trolls on here which is why ISH has declined so fast.

[QUOTE=Shooter;14597986]SHUT it DOWN[/QUOTE]

:cheers:

Kobe won more titles and lost less series with HCA and beat Dwight Howard with HCA while Lebron lost to Dwight with HCA. Also Kobe won 3 titles with Shaq and Lebron lost in round 2 with Shaq with HCA.

I dont troll kobe fans anymore. Kobe was a G.

Kobe is winning this poll considering that most of LeBron votes are basically coming from like 3 trolls.

[QUOTE=Cold soul;14597875]For so called "Lakers fan" you sure have a lot of hate for Kobe it's really odd and strange to say the least. :wtf:[/QUOTE]

That's because he's not, he says he's a late 20's Latino guy from LA but in reality he's a fat pasty white middle aged dude from Boston.

[QUOTE=TheMan;14599513]Kobe is winning this poll considering that most of LeBron votes are basically coming from like 3 trolls.[/QUOTE]

Agreed!

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14597992]:cheers:[/QUOTE]

You not a Lakers fan.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14614465]You not a Lakers fan.[/QUOTE]
And you're none other than the op. ;)

Both are fringe top ten. Personally, I have Bronie ranked ahead of Kobe, since he does have double the amount of FMVP, which to me is the highest achievement you can get in the sport. Also, Lebron didn't rape anybody. That I know of.

LOL @ full knowledge alts getting exposed

[QUOTE=Full Court;14614626]Both are fringe top ten. Personally, I have Bronie ranked ahead of Kobe, since he does have double the amount of FMVP, which to me is the highest achievement you can get in the sport. Also, Lebron didn't rape anybody. That I know of.[/QUOTE]

Ouch

[QUOTE=TheMan;14599513]Kobe is winning this poll considering that most of LeBron votes are basically coming from like 3 trolls.[/QUOTE]

Exposes the low level of basketball understanding on the board. People are voting with their hearts as always when it comes to sports. Kobe's flashier and more entertaining but Lebron's the better player. Though it's close.

Kobe won mulitple titles for LA, Lebron didn't do that.

Do not compare juicer lebron to Kobe. Also his votes are all from the one dude who has 50 accounts and spends his life on the boards.

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14630380]Do not compare juicer lebron to Kobe. Also his votes are all from the one dude who has 50 accounts and spends his life on the boards.[/QUOTE]

Even Jennie Buss admitted Kobe was better.

Kobe [Size=5][B]three-peated[/Size][/B] playing next to Shaq and then went and got 2 more chips [Size=5][B]out the mud[/Size][/B] as the #1 guy without Shaq.

You mean to tell me with all this help LeFraud acquired throughout his career while jumping from team to team he still hasn't three-peated?

Kobe > LeBron

[QUOTE=OrlandoMagicGuy;14634016]Kobe [Size=5][B]three-peated[/Size][/B] playing next to Shaq and then went and got 2 more chips [Size=5][B]out the mud[/Size][/B] as the #1 guy without Shaq.

You mean to tell me with all this help LeFraud acquired throughout his career while jumping from team to team he still hasn't three-peated?

Kobe > LeBron[/QUOTE]

4 rings and 4 FMVP >>>>> 2 rings and 2 FMVP

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14634019]4 rings and 4 FMVP >>>>> 2 rings and 2 FMVP[/QUOTE]

4 rings that LeFraud [Size=5][B]bought[/Size][/B] he didn't win those organically and that last FMVP that he won his teammate AD had to blatantly hold back so he could win the award.

Kobe got his 2 chips out the mud,beat the Big 3 Celitics and a Magic team that LeFraud couldn't overcome even with HCA.

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