Put DeMar DeRozan with the 1993-94 Chicago Bulls?

[QUOTE=Airupthere;14314307]I can see your point. That was Pippen’s team when jordan left. You cant just plug and play demar and expect others to have good chemistry with him. The rest earned their stripes and were riding on a whole lot of momentum. I can see that they may beat the knicks, but theyre not beating the rockets[/QUOTE]

Yeah given he dosn't screw up the chemistry i can see them beating the knicks. Definitely don't see them beating houston and even pacers in the ECF would be tough. They were bigger than the knicks and just as physical. Playing the knicks in 7 and then a long series with the pacers is gonna take its toll physically, especially back then.

Sorry did you ask?

[B]Put Demar Derozan with the 2010-11 Miami Heat?[/B]

Of course, they would beat Mavs, he would guard Terry and Barea better than Lebron.

[QUOTE=Shooter;14313970]They almost won a chip with Pete Myers, who averaged 1-1-1 in the 1995 Playoffs. Any slight upgrade and they win the chip. Easily win with Klay or Kyle Lowry.[/QUOTE]

They didn't come close to winning a chip with Pete Meyers in '94 or '95. They got bounced in the second round genius.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14314295]Ok. I cant argue with that. Who would you take to start a franchise. Pete Myers or Drmar DeRozan? Gun to your head.[/QUOTE]

I'm the GM and I have to choose between Meyers, Derozan or the gun? I'm taking the gun.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14314141]Lol. So DeRozan will be relegated to being a 10ppg scorer in the 90s, but Myers and even more Pippens offensive production will have no impact if they play in DeRozan era? And DeRozan is a 4 time Allstar?

[B]I must say, you guys are the reason we have so many Lebron James trolls running around.[/B] I bet if I asked you what MJs numbers would look like you will probably say they'd probably be 38-39ppg on 62% shooting am I right? I cant with you guys lol.[/QUOTE]

Facts. You're the only MJ fan poster on this site that actually makes me respect MJ more, because you're honest about shit. These other fakers make me roast MJ even more :lol

Which 90s guards were better than DeMar Derozan, a top 15 guard in the modern era?

[QUOTE=Shooter;14314939]Which 90s guards were better than DeMar Derozan, a top 15 guard in the modern era?[/QUOTE]

MJ, Miller, Clyde, Richmond, Lewis, Drazen, Allen, Jones, Dumars.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14314940]MJ, Miller, Clyde, Richmond, Lewis, Drazen, Allen, Jones, Dumars.[/QUOTE]

Sprewell, Houston, Rider, Smith to name a few more

[QUOTE=Shooter;14314939]Which 90s guards were better than DeMar Derozan, a top 15 guard in the modern era?[/QUOTE]

Mj
Clyde
Miller
Mullins
Hornacek
Stockton
Penny
Tim hardaway
Porter
Harper
Iverson
Ray allen
Houston
Sprewell
Drazen
Richmond
Payton
Strickland

Shit take your pick dude.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14314960]
Mj [B](maybe)[/B]
Clyde [B](maybe)[/B]
Miller [B](no)[/B]
Mullins [B](no)[/B]
Hornacek [B](fu** no)[/B]
Stockton [B](no)[/B]
Penny [B](no)[/B]
Tim hardaway [B](no)[/B]
Porter [B](fu** no)[/B]
Harper [B](no)[/B]
Iverson [B](no)[/B]
Ray allen [B](no)[/B]
Houston [B](no)[/B]
Sprewell [B](no)[/B]
Drazen [B](no)[/B]
Richmond [B](maybe)[/B]
Payton [B](maybe)[/B]
Strickland [B](no)[/B]

Shit take your pick dude.[/QUOTE]

So Demar's a legit top 5 guard in the 90s. Thanks

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14314940]MJ, Miller, Clyde, Richmond, Lewis, Drazen, Allen, Jones, Dumars.[/QUOTE]

That's god awfully embarrasing :lol

You have to be a pro Lebron troll masquerading as an MJ fan. There's no other way to slice it. That is the most embarrassing top 10 position list I've ever seen in my life.

[QUOTE=Shooter;14314971]So Demar's a legit top 5 guard in the 90s. Thanks[/QUOTE]

Sure bud. Whatever makes you feel better

[QUOTE=Shooter;14314971]So Demar's a legit top 5 guard in the 90s. Thanks[/QUOTE]

Maybe next to MJ.

Reported.

[QUOTE=BigShotBob;14314979]Maybe next to MJ.

Reported.[/QUOTE]

Welfare fan alt spotted :lol How did this one not get banned?

[QUOTE=Lebron23;13919321]Do they win the championship? Derozan's best statistical season in his career. Bulls won 55 games with Pete Myers replacing Jordan.[/QUOTE]

Yes, they definitely do

[QUOTE=Lebron23;13919321]Do they win the championship? Derozan's best statistical season in his career. Bulls won 55 games with Pete Myers replacing Jordan.[/QUOTE]

Jordan's weakness was the Detroit Pistons who eliminated him three years in a row, 88, 89, 90. Demar would not suffer this fate and would win a chip in 94

Imagine derozan only having to worry about John Stockton

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14462063]Jordan's weakness was the Detroit Pistons who eliminated him three years in a row, 88, 89, 90. Demar would not suffer this fate and would win a chip in 94[/QUOTE]

MJ's weakness is not the Pistons. He had no problems whooping their a$$ on a regular basis. They just slowed him down due to aggressive and rough play style bordering on flagrancy. Had they matched up in today's rules, he'd be sweeping their a$$ 3 times in a row

maybe with Larry Brown as the coach, you saw what Jackson did to Ron Harper

[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14462164]maybe with Larry Brown as the coach, you saw what Jackson did to Ron Harper[/QUOTE]
Where did you jerk off the past 12 months? :ohwell:

[QUOTE=Bawkish;14462075]MJ's weakness is not the Pistons. He had no problems whooping their a$$ on a regular basis. They just slowed him down due to aggressive and rough play style bordering on flagrancy. Had they matched up in today's rules, he'd be sweeping their a$$ 3 times in a row[/QUOTE]

Is that why the gambling addicted dad killer take only 8 shots in a must win game 5? Outscored by 8 in the 4th, when 1-9 scored only 4 points, IIRC.

[QUOTE=aj1987;14474025]Is that why the gambling addicted dad killer take only 8 shots in a must win game 5? Outscored by 8 in the 4th, when 1-9 scored only 4 points, IIRC.[/QUOTE]

2011

[Img]https://i.postimg.cc/bvpY3040/20211112-085939.jpg[/img]

I'm just saying...

Non-dominant players like pippen/kukoc need a player to completely carry them - another player of their caliber like derozan would be overkill and unproductive and probably peak at a Raptors level.. Derozan also holds the ball a point guard amount (5+ minutes), so he would destroy fellow ball-handler like Pippen - they wouldn't fit together just like any 2 ballhandlers don't fit together.. bball 101

[QUOTE=3ba11;14474570]Non-dominant players like pippen/kukoc need a player to completely carry them - another player of their caliber like derozan would be overkill and unproductive and probably peak at a Raptors level.. Derozan also holds the ball a point guard amount (5+ minutes), so he would destroy fellow ball-handler like Pippen - they wouldn't fit together just like any 2 ballhandlers don't fit together.. bball 101[/QUOTE]

Non-dominant players like Jordan need a player to completely carry them in rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. MJ just shot the ball 30 times a game and people are surprised he had the majority of the points? :oldlol: bball 101

[QUOTE=ELITEpower23;14474605]Non-dominant players like Jordan need a player to completely carry them in rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. MJ just shot the ball 30 times a game and people are surprised he had the majority of the points? :oldlol: bball 101[/QUOTE]


Jordan led the Pippen in total assists, blocks and steals from 88-98', while carrying the scoreboard (scoring), which is the only kind of carry-job there is - only stars can achieve elite scoring, while role players can achieve elite levels in secondary categories like rebounds, assists, steals, or blocks, which Jordan led Pippen in anyway.

[QUOTE=ELITEpower23;14474605]Non-dominant players like Jordan need a player to completely carry them in rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. MJ just shot the ball 30 times a game and people are surprised he had the majority of the points? :oldlol: bball 101[/QUOTE]

What's more is this notion that he has to do. No, MJ WANTED to leas the league in scoring while winning a championship. He said it in one of those documentaries he did.

Look at the 92 DreamTeam. Jordan tool almost as many shots as the next two players combined. And he wasn't that efficient either.

[QUOTE=BigShotBob;14474520]2011[/QUOTE]

Yeah, we all know that the defending Champs, led by Brick got eviscerated in a humiliating sweep in the 2nd round in 2011. :cheers:

[QUOTE=3ba11;14474570]Non-dominant players like [b]pippen[/b]/kukoc need a player to completely carry them - another player of their caliber like derozan would be overkill and unproductive and probably peak at a Raptors level.. Derozan also holds the ball a point guard amount (5+ minutes), so he would destroy fellow ball-handler like Pippen - they wouldn't fit together just like any 2 ballhandlers don't fit together.. bball 101[/QUOTE]
A non-dominant player that led his team to 55 wins in 1994 and even almost toppled an eventual conference champion in 7 games. He did so while his first option was absent for the whole season. Also the very same player who averaged more ppg in his finals debut than kobe did in the 2000 finals.

Yikes. Eerily similar players

[Img]https://i.postimg.cc/8PLMxbGv/Demar-De-Jordan.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Axe;14476069]

A non-dominant player that led his team to 55 wins in 1994


.[/QUOTE]


Ty Lawson did that in 2013.. Marc Gasol did that in 2015... Tons of non-dominant guys have done that, but only Pippen was pursuing a 4-peat

In the playoffs, Pippen played at the same level as 2016 Wade, who nearly made the ECF with the exact same stats as Pippen (21/5/5 and 21 PER)

[QUOTE=3ba11;14476583]Ty Lawson did that in 2013.. Marc Gasol did that in 2015... Tons of non-dominant guys have done that, but only Pippen was pursuing a 4-peat

In the playoffs, Pippen played at the same level as 2016 Wade, who nearly made the ECF with the exact same stats as Pippen (21/5/5 and 21 PER)[/QUOTE]
While mj couldn't without him and kobe couldn't without useful big men. :confusedshrug:

Derozan is like the Ben Gordon of the Bulls unless you can show me he has 5 league mvp's, 6 finals mvp's, led in scoring 10 times, turned the franchise that drafted him into a dynasty and won 2 gold medals in the olympics while never winning bronze.

Derozan in 1994?; chicago gets swept by houston if they manage to get there

somehow, I think DeRozan is what OJ Mayo was hyped up to be.

How is Pippen top 75 if he would be 2nd option to DeRozan and also 2nd option to Kukoc in the clutch?

How can a player be top 75 with zero instances of them having a top 75 performance?...

Giannis has the 2022 Finals.. Dirk has 2011 and Kawhi has 2019... Wade has the 2006 Finals and 2011 Finals run as 1st option... AD led the entire NBA in playoff scoring for his 2020 ring, which included domination of the future MVP Jokic.

So everyone has top 75 performances, while Pippen has a lot of performances that mirror Robert Horry's 95' Finals (18/10 on 55%) or JR Smith's 15' ECF (18/8 on 55%), or Larry Hughes' 2005 season (22/6/5 and 1st team defense) - this was Pippen's caliber - nowhere near top 75.. Only his ring count (which fueled his media awards) elevated his all-time ranking

But in reality, everyone wins 55 games like Ty Lawson in 2013 or Marc Gasol in 2015 or KJ in 89', but only Pippen gets top 75 credit for it.. it's preposterous.. And after the Bulls were no longer defending 3-peat champs (and exposed in the 94' Playoffs), they were borderline lottery in 95' until MJ returned to restore 3-peat capability.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14477039]How is Pippen top 75 if he would be 2nd option to DeRozan and also 2nd option to Kukoc in the clutch?

How can a player be top 75 with zero instances of them having a top 75 performance?...

Giannis has the 2022 Finals.. Dirk has 2011 and Kawhi has 2019... Wade has the 2006 Finals and 2011 Finals run as 1st option... AD led the entire NBA in playoff scoring for his 2020 ring, which included domination of the future MVP Jokic.

So everyone has top 75 performances, while Pippen has a lot of performances that mirror Robert Horry's 95' Finals (18/10 on 55%) or JR Smith's 15' ECF (18/8 on 55%), or Larry Hughes' 2005 season (22/6/5 and 1st team defense) - this was Pippen's caliber - nowhere near top 75.. Only his ring count (which fueled his media awards) elevated his all-time ranking

But in reality, everyone wins 55 games like Ty Lawson in 2013 or Marc Gasol in 2015 or KJ in 89', but only Pippen gets top 75 credit for it.. it's preposterous.. And after the Bulls were no longer defending 3-peat champs (and exposed in the 94' Playoffs), they were borderline lottery in 95' until MJ returned to restore 3-peat capability.[/QUOTE]


[Img]https://c.tenor.com/V6msBbZABZwAAAAC/spongebob-done.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=BigShotBob;14474520]2011[/QUOTE]

Isiah.

[url]https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1493424878837374976[/url]

DeMar DeRozan last 6 games:

40 PTS | 67 FG%
38 PTS | 50 FG%
35 PTS | 64 FG%
36 PTS | 68 FG%
38 PTS | 59 FG%
45 PTS | 60 FG%

That’s the longest streak of 35-point games on 50% shooting in Bulls history. MJ never did it.

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[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]

Kawhi's 2019 run shows the difference between DeRozan and Jordan - DeRozan was getting his shit pushed in on the regular, while a poor man's Jordan came in and won the conference with a 1-star team in 2919 just like 01' Iverson, 02/03 Kidd, 07' Lebron, 09' Dwight, 20' Butler, aka most seasons outside of Lebron's super-team years (11-18')