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[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573488]I posted all the context needed. Jordone shot 73% of his 22 inefficient chucks per game from midrange. He couldn't get to the rim and he was a terrible 3pt shooter. Bench caliber at best in today's game. And I'm being nice.[/QUOTE]
Your stats are decontextualized. But hey, if you're happy with empty stats then be my guest.
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573426]I posted [B]empty[/B] stats tardboy. He made a legitimate argument with a legitimate analysis. Lol @ how smart they are.[/QUOTE]
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Look at the desperate tard flailing all over the place. Jordone getting destroyed in every raw and advanced stat known to man doesn't matter cuz....hurrr, context, durrr.
Nostalgia is an embarrassing emotion.
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573515]Look at the desperate tard flailing all over the place. Jordone getting destroyed in every raw and advanced stat known to man doesn't matter cuz....hurrr, context, durrr.
Nostalgia is an embarrassing emotion.[/QUOTE]
[I]"mrhrmrhmphrmrh mrhrmrhmphrmrh"[/I] - bumbling rabid Johnny the Bran Stan whose mother is his sister
What's funny is jordone vs rip is a closer comparison than mj vs legoat. Both negative defenders...rip is the more efficient scorer across the board. Mj rebounds and gets more assists. Pretty even overall i'd say.
i believe the window licker brought up league averages earlier. let's do it the correct way.
[B]jordan's shooting percentages vs the lg avg.[/B]
mj - 42.6 [B]2pt%[/B], lg avg - 46.5%. difference of [B]-2.9%[/B].
mj - 18.9 [B]3pt%[/B], lg avg - 35.4%. difference of [B]-16.5%[/B]
mj - 41.6 [B]fg%[/B], lg avg - 44.5%. difference of [B]-2.9%[/B]
mj - 42.0 [B]efg%[/B], lg avg - 47.7%. difference of [B]-5.7%[/B]
mj - 46.8 [B]ts%[/B], lg avg - 52.0%. difference of [B]-3.2%[/B]
conclusion: below average inefficient chucker.
[B]lebron's shooting percentages vs the lg avg.[/B]
lbj - 62.0 [B]2pt%[/B], lg avg 53.2%. difference of [B]+8.8%[/B]
lbj - 35.9 [B]3pt%[/B], lg avg - 35.3%. difference of [B]+0.6%[/B]
lbj - 52.4 [B]fg%[/B], lg avg - 46.1%. difference of [B]+6.3%[/B]
lbj - 59.0 [B]efg%[/B], lg avg - 53.1%. difference of [B]+5.9%[/B]
lbj - 61.9 [B]ts%[/B], lg avg - 56.5%. difference of [B]+5.4%[/B].
conclusion. efficient scoring machine.
like i've said before and the stats back up...current lebron is better than any version of mj after 1993. deal with it.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14573516][I]"mrhrmrhmphrmrh mrhrmrhmphrmrh"[/I] - bumbling rabid Johnny the Bran Stan whose mother is his sister[/QUOTE]
Ether
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573565]i believe the window licker brought up league averages earlier. let's do it the correct way.
[B]jordan's shooting percentages vs the lg avg.[/B]
mj - 42.6 [B]2pt%[/B], lg avg - 46.5%. difference of [B]-2.9%[/B].
mj - 18.9 [B]3pt%[/B], lg avg - 35.4%. difference of [B]-16.5%[/B]
mj - 41.6 [B]fg%[/B], lg avg - 44.5%. difference of [B]-2.9%[/B]
mj - 42.0 [B]efg%[/B], lg avg - 47.7%. difference of [B]-5.7%[/B]
mj - 46.8 [B]ts%[/B], lg avg - 52.0%. difference of [B]-3.2%[/B]
conclusion: below average inefficient chucker.
[B]lebron's shooting percentages vs the lg avg.[/B]
lbj - 62.0 [B]2pt%[/B], lg avg 53.2%. difference of [B]+8.8%[/B]
lbj - 35.9 [B]3pt%[/B], lg avg - 35.3%. difference of [B]+0.6%[/B]
lbj - 52.4 [B]fg%[/B], lg avg - 46.1%. difference of [B]+6.3%[/B]
lbj - 59.0 [B]efg%[/B], lg avg - 53.1%. difference of [B]+5.9%[/B]
lbj - 61.9 [B]ts%[/B], lg avg - 56.5%. difference of [B]+5.4%[/B].
conclusion. efficient scoring machine.[/QUOTE]
Damn... DE-stroyed! :oldlol:
Jordan extremist alts are going to do their best to ignore such factual evidence. Bu... bu... but "inflated stats era" :roll:
Wizards Jordan was flat out a poor basketball player, no matter how you slice it. Comparing him to this era, comparing him to averages of his own era or any previous era.
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14573602]Damn... DE-stroyed! :oldlol:
Jordan extremist alts are going to do their best to ignore such factual evidence. Bu... bu... but "inflated stats era" :roll:
[B]Wizards Jordan was flat out a poor basketball player, no matter how you slice it. Comparing him to this era, comparing him to averages of his own era or any previous era.[/B][/QUOTE]
exactly. lol the window licker had no clue the destruction he was about to lay upon himself when he brought up league averages.
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573518]What's funny is jordone vs rip is a closer comparison than mj vs legoat. Both negative defenders...rip is the more efficient scorer across the board. Mj rebounds and gets more assists. Pretty even overall i'd say.[/QUOTE]
as i mentioned earlier...this is a much better comparison.
jordone - [B]22.9 ppg[/B] on [B]22.1 fga[/B] (42.6 2pt%, 18.9 3pt%, 41.6 fg%, 42.0 efg%, 46.8 ts%), [B]5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg[/B]
hamilton - 20.0 ppg on 17.2 fga ([B]43.8 2pt%, 38.1 3pt%, 43.5 fg%, 44.3 efg%, 51.1 ts%[/B]), 3.4 rpg, 2.7 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.2 bpg
Chucker Jordone - [B]22.9 ppg on 22.1 fga[/B] (42.6 2pt%, 18.9 3pt%, 41.6 fg%, 42.0 efg%, 46.8 ts%)
Cuttino Mobley - 21.7 ppg on 18.4 fga ([B]45.5 2pt%, 39.5 3pt%, 43.8 fg%, 49.3 efg%, 53.7 ts%)[/B]
lol this inefficient chucking fraud is getting his shit pushed in by everyone.
legoat - 30.3 ppg on 21.8 fga, 6.0 fta ([B]62.0 2pt%[/B], 35.9 3pt%, [B]52.4 fg%, 59.0 efg%, 61.9 ts%[/B])
embiid - 30.4 ppg on 19.7 fga, 11.8 fta (52.5 2pt%, [B]36.5 3pt%[/B], 49.5 fg%, 53.0 efg%, 61.2 ts%)
see the difference. legoat compares favorably to the leagues scoring leader and mvp candidate embiid. while jordone gets his shit pushed in by cuttino fkn mobley lol.
The early 2000s are arguably the greatest defensive era - statistically, its tops among DRTG. 39 & 40 year old Jordan saw this same defense night in and out. Does the retard above not realize that? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14573504]Your stats are decontextualized. But hey, if you're happy with empty stats then be my guest.[/QUOTE]
If we go by impact, and not raw numbers like that retard used, Jordan was top 5 in RPM (among SGs). Again, this is at 40 years old and during the GOAT defensive climate. Some chide MJ for his play because it messed with his career averages - but he faired well. If not for injury, I shudder to think what he'd put up.
[QUOTE=MadDog;14573652]If we go by impact, and not raw numbers like that retard used, Jordan was top 5 in RPM (among SGs). Again, this is at 40 years old and during the GOAT defensive climate. Some chide MJ for his play because it messed with his career averages - but he faired well. If not for injury, I shudder to think what he'd put up.[/QUOTE]
He was 38 you excuse making ******. He scored less efficiently than the league average so your pathetic whining is irrelevant. FloorDone has been exposed.
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573688]He was 38 you excuse making ******. He scored less efficiently than the league average so your pathetic whining is irrelevant. FloorDone has been exposed.[/QUOTE]
Jordan was 40 in 2003, mouth breather. While you desperately cling to efficiency, MJ still impacted the game like a top 5 sg. Fact.
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573565]i believe the window licker brought up league averages earlier. let's do it the correct way.
[B]jordan's shooting percentages vs the lg avg.[/B]
mj - 42.6 [B]2pt%[/B], lg avg - 46.5%. difference of [B]-2.9%[/B].
mj - 18.9 [B]3pt%[/B], lg avg - 35.4%. difference of [B]-16.5%[/B]
mj - 41.6 [B]fg%[/B], lg avg - 44.5%. difference of [B]-2.9%[/B]
mj - 42.0 [B]efg%[/B], lg avg - 47.7%. difference of [B]-5.7%[/B]
mj - 46.8 [B]ts%[/B], lg avg - 52.0%. difference of [B]-3.2%[/B]
conclusion: below average inefficient chucker.
[B]lebron's shooting percentages vs the lg avg.[/B]
lbj - 62.0 [B]2pt%[/B], lg avg 53.2%. difference of [B]+8.8%[/B]
lbj - 35.9 [B]3pt%[/B], lg avg - 35.3%. difference of [B]+0.6%[/B]
lbj - 52.4 [B]fg%[/B], lg avg - 46.1%. difference of [B]+6.3%[/B]
lbj - 59.0 [B]efg%[/B], lg avg - 53.1%. difference of [B]+5.9%[/B]
lbj - 61.9 [B]ts%[/B], lg avg - 56.5%. difference of [B]+5.4%[/B].
conclusion. efficient scoring machine.[/QUOTE]
No context provided for
1) The height of the defensive era vs. a defenseless era
2) The fact that MJ was 3 years removed from the league
3) A 2 year age difference
4) Stats that include both pre and post arthroscopic knee surgery
And most of all, impact. As Maddog mentioned, you're not considering impact, especially when we consider casts. I don't believe the gap between the two are wide, but I do believe MJ's overall impact at age 38 is more meaningful. You can take LeBron, I choose differently.
[QUOTE=MadDog;14573689]Jordan was 40 in 2003, mouth breather. While you desperately cling to efficiency, MJ still impacted the game like a top 5 sg. Fact.[/QUOTE]
The topic of discussion has clearly been 37 yr old legoat vs 38 year old poor mans cuttino mobley, window licker.
Did jordone trade rip for stack so he could shamelessly chuck inefficiently without anyone bringing up his teammate (rip) should prob be shooting 25 times per gm and mj 12 based on those horrific percentages.
That squad isn't winning 10 games in today's nba btw lol holy shit late 90s early 00s was really bad.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14573692]No context provided for
1) The height of the defensive era vs. a defenseless era
2) The fact that MJ was 3 years removed from the league
3) A 2 year age difference
4) Stats that include both pre and post arthroscopic knee surgery
And most of all, impact. As Maddog mentioned, you're not considering impact, especially when we consider casts. I don't believe the gap between the two are wide, but I do believe MJ's overall impact at age 38 is more meaningful. You can take LeBron, I choose differently.[/QUOTE]
My numbers were taken from the 2003 season. Or when Jordan was 40. He also played a handful of games at 39, the season prior. Any way you slice it, MJ was better than his raw numbers. If his knee held up, he would've both had MVP consideration and his team in the playoffs.
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573696]The topic of discussion has clearly been 37 yr old legoat vs 38 year old poor mans cuttino mobley, window licker.[/QUOTE]
Wrong retard. The "topic of discussion" was my quote to Hoops. 02 Jordan also played a handful of games at 39. Get your facts straight.
If, could, wah, blah, when will they face reality and realize it was all a lie. Probably never. Plz luv their jordone, even when he was a below average inefficient chucker and a negative defender, plz.
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573702]If, could, wah, blah, when will they face reality and realize it was all a lie. Probably never. Plz luv their jordone, even when he was a below average inefficient chucker and a negative defender, plz.[/QUOTE]
40 year old Jordan impacted the game like a top 5 sg. Against players damn near half his age! Lol why does that upset you? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=MadDog;14573700]Wrong retard. The "topic of discussion" was my quote to Hoops. 02 Jordan also played a handful of games at 39. Get your facts straight.[/QUOTE]
Look how desperate she is to argue about anything besides jordone's below league average shameless inefficient chucking. Can't blame her...it's pretty hard to defend.
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573704]Look how desperate she is to argue about anything besides jordone's below league average shameless inefficient chucking. Can't blame her...it's pretty hard to defend.[/QUOTE]
Autist32 wants to ignore objective data lol. Sorry retard, but impact>efficiency.
Summary: lebron's scoring efficiency is top 1 tier. Jordone's scoring efficiency was below league average.
For those just catching up! LeYawn.
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573706]Summary: lebron's scoring efficiency is top 1 tier. Jordone's scoring efficiency was below league average.
For those just catching up! LeYawn.[/QUOTE]
How much impact does Lebron's efficiency having now?
guess the thread just reads more players prefer to play like the current Lebron over Wizards Jordan
Lebron failed to make the playoffs with 4 other players who were top 75 all time and included two guys who won league mvp on the same team missed the playoffs.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs[/url]
36 year old Jordan won an NBA championship, NBA MVP, Finals MVP, scoring title, AND hit the game winning shot in the freaking Finals.
So suddenly LeBron's 37 year old season doesn't look like shit by comparison, lol.
Fact is it was much harder to score in the late 90s/early 2000s and many players had lower shooting percentages, LeBron himself didn't have a season of above .500 shooting until his 7th year in the league when the NBA was all guns forward on opening the game up for more scoring.
We didn't really get to see what Wizards Jordan could do, because just as he was getting into shape and starting to push the Wizards into playoff position and getting his scoring average up to 26 ppg (which would be more like 30-32 ppg in the current no defense league), he suffered a torn knee and that type of injury can derail a 25 year old's career, a 39 year old ... forget it.
If this year's Lakers had a Wizards Jordan, but the version pre-knee injury ... they make the playoffs IMO (not even just a play in team).
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[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14573692]No context provided for
1) The height of the defensive era vs. a defenseless era
2) The fact that MJ was 3 years removed from the league
3) A 2 year age difference
4) Stats that include both pre and post arthroscopic knee surgery
And most of all, impact. As Maddog mentioned, you're not considering impact, especially when we consider casts. I don't believe the gap between the two are wide, but I do believe MJ's overall impact at age 38 is more meaningful. You can take LeBron, I choose differently.[/QUOTE]
Too much correct context and and factual logic here. Not designed for dumb haters or newbies lol
[QUOTE=Soundwave;14573930]36 year old Jordan won an NBA championship, NBA MVP, Finals MVP, scoring title, AND hit the game winning shot in the freaking Finals.
So suddenly LeBron's 37 year old season doesn't look like shit by comparison, lol.
Fact is it was much harder to score in the late 90s/early 2000s and many players had lower shooting percentages, LeBron himself didn't have a season of above .500 shooting until his 7th year in the league when the NBA was all guns forward on opening the game up for more scoring.
We didn't really get to see what Wizards Jordan could do, because just as he was getting into shape and starting to push the Wizards into playoff position and getting his scoring average up to 26 ppg (which would be more like 30-32 ppg in the current no defense league), he suffered a torn knee and that type of injury can derail a 25 year old's career, a 39 year old ... forget it.
If this year's Lakers had a Wizards Jordan, but the version pre-knee injury ... they make the playoffs IMO (not even just a play in team).[/QUOTE]
Another person who actually knows what he is talking about..
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14573602]Damn... DE-stroyed! :oldlol:
Jordan extremist alts are going to do their best to ignore such factual evidence. Bu... bu... but "inflated stats era" :roll:
Wizards Jordan was flat out a poor basketball player, no matter how you slice it. Comparing him to this era, comparing him to averages of his own era or any previous era.[/QUOTE]
A poor basketball player who had his team at #2 with his right hand man injured alot of games.
Lebron is the most awesome player ever who cant even make the play in LOL
Not even close
Wizards Jordan wasn't a net negative.
LeShrivel, the Lakers' dead weight, is.
OP is shook.
:lebroncry:
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14482067]LeBron haters trying to point out that LeBron had Larry Hughes on his 2007 finals squad while avoiding the subject of Jordan failing to make the playoffs that had a 50-32 #1 seed in the east while playing with Larry Hughes:
[IMG]https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Two-Buttons.jpg[/IMG]
:roll:
And here is a picture of Rip Hamilton just a couple years after he freed himself from the shackles of that ball hog:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcrfPkBXsAAcSX4.jpg[/IMG]
Wizards Jordan wasn't even a top 25 player in the league.[/QUOTE] I agree
Wizards Jordan was garbage. Missed the playoffs in 2002 and 2003 season in the Weakstern Conference
[QUOTE=Lebron23;14703063]Wizards Jordan was garbage. Missed the playoffs in 2002 and 2003 season in the Weakstern Conference[/QUOTE]
:roll: You're a desperate idiot. Jordan got injured and was almost 40 years old. Your hero Bronie missed the playoffs in 2019. And got eliminated in the first round in 2021. And missed the playoffs with a super team in 2022. And he's in the lottery bracket again. And he's a net negative.
Just face it that your hero is barely top ten. And that's only because he's jumped to stacked teams. And he's also the greatest choker of all time.