I love Billups in 2006. Such an efficient monster and those Pistons teams played at a snail's pace. One of the most underrated PG seasons of all time.
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I love Billups in 2006. Such an efficient monster and those Pistons teams played at a snail's pace. One of the most underrated PG seasons of all time.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14937161]I love Billups in 2006. Such an efficient monster and those Pistons teams played at a snail's pace. One of the most underrated PG seasons of all time.[/QUOTE]
I was saving him for my last pick, didn't expect him to get nabbed with all the great PGs left, but he's a great pickup that compliments any team
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14937135]Join the next draft, Thurston Pollard.[/QUOTE]
the thing is, there's no objective way to tell whose is better. Do we have some advanced cpu we are plugging the line ups into? I doubt people are even gonna post advanced strategies for offense and defense, which would make a huge difference. They are just gonna be like well these names together = win. Wack.
Not shitting on this idea, cuz I enjoy looking at people's teams, but in the end, how do we know who is better? Who is gonna do a deep dive and who will get the final say? Some dudes who are constantly arguing Kobe v Bron with alts?
-Smak
[QUOTE=ILLsmak;14937170][B]the thing is, there's no objective way to tell whose is better.[/B] Do we have some advanced cpu we are plugging the line ups into? I doubt people are even gonna post advanced strategies for offense and defense, which would make a huge difference. They are just gonna be like well these names together = win. Wack.
Not shitting on this idea, cuz I enjoy looking at people's teams, but in the end, how do we know who is better? Who is gonna do a deep dive and who will get the final say? Some dudes who are constantly arguing Kobe v Bron with alts?
-Smak[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. Its just going to be people arguing for pages. I just like to draft a team for the fun of it. I don't care to spend time convincing people mine is the best.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14937033]Seek help.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
You guys should determine the winner with three votes:
1) ISH
2) RealGM
3) Someone using 2K to make all the teams and simulate them together in a playoff series or regular season. No injuries.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14937177]You guys should determine the winner with three votes:
1) ISH
2) RealGM
3) Someone using 2K to make all the teams and simulate them together in a playoff series or regular season. No injuries.[/QUOTE]
no barkley on 2k.
-Smak
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14937177]You guys should determine the winner with three votes:
[B]1) ISH[/B]
2) RealGM
3) Someone using 2K to make all the teams and simulate them together in a playoff series or regular season. No injuries.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
On second thought, that might actually not be a bad idea considering this draft didn't have MJ & Bron which takes away the troll votes, but at the same time some users here straight up hate some posters who are participating this draft which could taint the poll. I know some posters here dislike Alt, dankok, Manny & myself.
There was like a month stretch where I would make a thread and someone would rate it 1 star. I don't know who it was, but who the hell does that? :lol
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937180]:oldlol:
On second thought, that might actually not be a bad idea considering this draft didn't have MJ & Bron which takes away the troll votes, but at the same time some users here straight up hate some posters who are participating this draft. I know some posters here dislike Alt, dankok, Manny & myself.
There was like a month stretch where I would make a thread and someone would rate it 1 star. I don't know who it was, but who the hell does that? :lol[/QUOTE]
warriorfan
[QUOTE=RRR3;14937181]warriorfan[/QUOTE]
At first I thought it was full court, but he got perma banned and it still happened. My guess would be warriorfan or proctor. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14937177]You guys should determine the winner with three votes:
1) ISH
2) RealGM
3) Someone using 2K to make all the teams and simulate them together in a playoff series or regular season. No injuries.[/QUOTE]
If I were drafting for 2k sim Luka would be an easy first pick. He averages 35/13/12 on 55/45/75 every sim.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937182]At first I thought it was full court, but he got perma banned and it still happened. My guess would be warriorfan or proctor. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
It was me. Revenge for your take on refried beans.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937180]:oldlol:
On second thought, that might actually not be a bad idea considering this draft didn't have MJ & Bron which takes away the troll votes, but at the same time some users here straight up hate some posters who are participating this draft which could taint the poll. I know some posters here dislike Alt, dankok, Manny & myself.
There was like a month stretch where I would make a thread and someone would rate it 1 star. I don't know who it was, but who the hell does that? :lol[/QUOTE]
People used to neg me and put -smak lol
Dudes are salty. All I want people to do is talk to me. If we got some problem, we can discuss it. I'm cool. Being a closet hater online is sooo weak.
I mean, I don't wanna derail this thread, tho, but it is an issue... the whole how do you know thing, but like dude said, it's fun to talk and think about anyway. It's just crazy people are shitting on people's teams like they have a way to prove something.
Edit: re: 2k, if you can get the rosters right, simcast live is pretty good for real-seeming results. It seems to not have the '3 sec sim' results that raw simming has and it doesn't have the weird problems of cpu v cpu, either. (Like the cpu stone walling itself and shooting a 27 footer with 1 on the shot clock.)
-Smak
Imo just put it on r/nba and just count out the top 5 most upvoted votes.
Paulina Pierce
[QUOTE=iamgine;14937199]Paulina Pierce[/QUOTE]
Dankok already took Pierce I believe
[QUOTE=DJMcDonald;14937141]With my next pick I'll be taking THE MATRIX.
[video=youtube_share;ipb3nGEP1tA]https://youtu.be/ipb3nGEP1tA?si=GLShGvDcSnzVeSWj[/video]
Nash
Vince
Mac
Dirk
Shaq
AK
Matrix
A certain theme for my team. Got something cooked up for my last pick too.[/QUOTE]
Your team would be fun as hell to watch
Do we just skip iamgine if he doesn't correct his pick within an hour? His 8 hours are almost up.
My bad. Dwight Howard
Can someone update the teams on the first page?
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;14937212]Can someone update the teams on the first page?[/QUOTE]
Can't edit posts after a certain time, has to be a mod
[QUOTE=DJMcDonald;14937214]Can't edit posts after a certain time, has to be a mod[/QUOTE]
You're right. Forgot about that silly rule.
Joe Dumars
Derrick White. Celtics best player.
Just realized he's still available..
Give me [B]Doctor J[/B]
Dude can come in as a scorer off the bench, run the offense and he's a major disruptor on defense. One of the best non-big shotblockers ever. Definitely better than many starters on other squads.
SGA
[QUOTE=dankok8;14937233]Just realized he's still available..
Give me [B]Doctor J[/B]
Dude can come in as a scorer off the bench, run the offense and he's a major disruptor on defense. One of the best non-big shotblockers ever. Definitely better than many starters on other squads.[/QUOTE]
You now have 4 players who are absolute ZEROS from 3 in your rotation, that is a pretty big math problem. You're going to have lineups with THREE non-shooters on the floor between Kareem, McHale, Dr. J and Mourning, the spacing will be a disaster.
Mutombo & OG Anunoby
Final roster
C - Embiid | Mutombo
F - Draymond
F - Kawhi | KD
G - Booker | OG Anunoby
G - Stockton
Think I did well considering I had the last pick. Have a few elite scorers. A couple of playmakers. Roster is stacked with shooters and defenders.
is middleton still on the board? Khris Middleton
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14937177]You guys should determine the winner with three votes:
1) ISH
2) RealGM
3) Someone using 2K to make all the teams and simulate them together in a playoff series or regular season. No injuries.[/QUOTE]
Real GM to decide it is a great idea
[QUOTE=RRR3;14937235]You now have 4 players who are absolute ZEROS from 3 in your rotation, that is a pretty big math problem. You're going to have lineups with THREE non-shooters on the floor between Kareem, McHale, Dr. J and Mourning, the spacing will be a disaster.[/QUOTE]
Basketball is more complicated than how many three-point shooters you have on the floor. I don't know how many times I need to repeat this to you over the years.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;14937215]You're right. Forgot about that silly rule.[/QUOTE]
when did they put that in?
-Smak
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14937248]Basketball is more complicated than how many three-point shooters you have on the floor. I don't know how many times I need to repeat this to you over the years.[/QUOTE]
Especially with super teams. I feel like the main reason today's teams score more is because the role players can bang 3s instead of long 2s with leads to higher offensive output and gives additional spacing to star talent. But when it comes to these super teams, all of that kind of flies out the window.
The 2008 Redeem team didn't have a great 3pt shooting starting lineup. Yet they totally outscored the 2024 team in the championship matches who did. And ironically, they had a Kobe Chris Paul backcourt that apparently "can't shoot". :lol (total joke)
Stars spamming 3s is honestly kind of stupid unless they're steph curry or Durant or something, and even then you're opening yourself up to a ton of variance. Hot and cold... we see it with Tatum types and a lot of other players even Curry himself. Having a team full of superstar 2pt bucket getters is always going to be a sure thing.
Basketball is more than "how many three points shooters you have", but having them in today's era keeps defenders honest. In today's league if you run any line-up that lack shooters defenses will exploit that, they will just key in on the star players without facing much consequences. And with all due respect to ISB, he ran a Shaq-Russell lineup in one of our previous drafts. I pointed out to him that having Russell play the 4 takes away some of his rim protection and it makes life harder for Shaq on offense since teams could zero in on Shaq since Russell wouldn't provide you any spacing. After the draft, when we ran the poll on realgm multiple users pointed out the same thing when evaluating his team.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937267]Basketball is more than "how many three points shooters you have", but having them in today's era keeps defenders honest. In today's league if you run any line-up that lack shooters defenses will exploit that, they will just key in on the star players without facing much consequences. And with all due respect to ISB, he ran a Shaq-Russell lineup in one of our previous drafts. I pointed out to him that having Russell play the 4 takes away some of his rim protection and it makes life harder for Shaq on offense since teams could zero in on Shaq since Russell wouldn't provide you any spacing. After the draft, when we ran the poll on realgm multiple users pointed out the same thing when evaluating his team.[/QUOTE]
DISMAL drafting by ISB, yikes. And he has the nerve to lecture me :oldlol: Bro would get blown off the floor by some of the teams drafted here with that kind of spacing
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937267]Basketball is more than "how many three points shooters you have", but having them in today's era keeps defenders honest. In today's league if you run any line-up that lack shooters defenses will exploit that, they will just key in on the star players without facing much consequences. And with all due respect to ISB, he ran a Shaq-Russell lineup in one of our previous drafts. I pointed out to him that having Russell play the 4 takes away some of his rim protection and it makes life harder for Shaq on offense since teams could zero in on Shaq since Russell wouldn't provide you any spacing. After the draft, when we ran the poll on realgm multiple users pointed out the same thing when evaluating his team.[/QUOTE]
Yea I mean Bill Russell and Shaq is an awkward combination. 2 centers who can't shoot even from midrange.
Danks team has Chris Paul, Kobe, and Paul Pierce on the perimeter. CP3 is a sniper level shooter and Kobe / Pierce are both very good shooters... literally it's the biggest part of their games. Mchale and Kareem didn't need to dunk it every time either they had shooting touch away from the rim. So the criticism here is totally over blown.
Taking Dr. J in like the last round as a bench scorer isn't a bad thing. Guy was part of a GOAT 1983 Sixer team that swept the playoffs and is universally considered a top 20 GOAT and pioneer of basketball. To clown that pick is absurd.
CP3 isn't a sniper from 3, and has to be pushed to not be low volume there. Kobe was not a good 3PT shooter by modern standards by any means no matter how much you delude yourself. Pierce was a good 3PT shooter, yes. Also there isn't a single team who plays with two bigs who can't shoot 3s now at the same time. Not a single one. It doesn't work. You can get away with a non shooting 5 but not a non shooting 5 and 4.
There isn't a single team today that has Kareem or Kevin McHales level of post and midrange scorer either. Except Jokic and to a lesser extent Embiid.
Not everything comes down to 3s when we're dealing with superstar talent. You're shitting on McHale @ the 4 when he produced a higher offensive output from 2pt range than most stretch 4s do. He had monster efficiency and game inside the arc.
And again Chris Paul is literally one of the best shooting point guards ever. His jumper and spacing were terrific. Kobe even by a haters opinion is a top 15 GOAT and he was mostly a jump shooter whose shot was widely respected and chased after with double teams on the perimeter. To say Kobe couldn't shoot and space the floor is just a total nonsense opinion. And then Pierce obviously could as well. Kareem and Mchale have some of the best big man shooting touch ever too.
That team is not lacking for shooting skill at all.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14937248]Basketball is more complicated than how many three-point shooters you have on the floor. I don't know how many times I need to repeat this to you over the years.[/QUOTE]No one said anyone here should have stacked their teams with Korvers or Kaponos, you just can’t have a deficiency there. Just like defense, you can’t just draft one or two good defenders and expect that to make up for everything.
Well, then again tpols suggested I should have taken Horry over Rasheed Wallace. I felt like my Kidd pick deserved a lot more criticism than my Sheed pick.
[QUOTE=tpols;14937262]Especially with super teams. I feel like the main reason today's teams score more is because the role players can bang 3s instead of long 2s with leads to higher offensive output and gives additional spacing to star talent. But when it comes to these super teams, all of that kind of flies out the window.
The 2008 Redeem team didn't have a great 3pt shooting starting lineup. Yet they totally outscored the 2024 team in the championship matches who did. And ironically, they had a Kobe Chris Paul backcourt that apparently "can't shoot". :lol (total joke)
Stars spamming 3s is honestly kind of stupid unless they're steph curry or Durant or something, and even then you're opening yourself up to a ton of variance. Hot and cold... we see it with Tatum types and a lot of other players even Curry himself. Having a team full of superstar 2pt bucket getters is always going to be a sure thing.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention Dr J/McHale/Kareem can all shoot up to 15 feet really well. They just aren't 3pt shooters.
As my last pick, I am going for a monster 3pt shooter though. Give me [B]Glen Rice[/B]. Dude shot 44% from 3pt range (!) on 5 attempts a game from 1996-1998 and then was a key player on the 2000 championship Lakers.