Did Shohei Ohtani just have the greatest individual game in sports history?

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038592]For arguments sake let’s take Wilts prime and stack it against LeBron’s

oh wait you won’t do that and bitch and moan about competition. :lol :lol

When it comes to baseball you are super down to go back to the 1950’s, 40’s, hell the early 20’s :roll:

You are cooked[/QUOTE]

Wilt's prime numbers are inflated due to the pace of the league at the time.

What's cool about baseball is you can compare numbers from different eras much easier compared to the NBA.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038563]Simple. He cheated the game. Just because other people were doing it doesn't justify it, pitchers who use steroids don't see the benefits hitters do when they take it. I personally think he should be in the hall, it's weird how David Ortiz got busted in 2003, but still made it. In the end, Bonds knew the possible consequences of taking steroids and his legacy got tarnished because of it.[/QUOTE]

Pitchers don’t get benifits from doing steroids? Lmfao have you ever pitched? Have you ever done steroids? I’ve done both and it definitely helps. Eric Gagne was a nobody till he got on gear and was throwing 103 and won the Cy Young.

Stop talking out of your ass bro you don’t know shit about anything.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038595]Pitchers don’t get benifits from doing steroids? Lmfao have you ever pitched? Have you ever done steroids? [B]I’ve done both [/B]and it definitely helps. Eric Gagne was a nobody till he got on gear and was throwing 103 and won the Cy Young.

Stop talking out of your ass bro you don’t know shit about anything.[/QUOTE]

Why am I not surprised.

And no, it benefits hitters more.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038602]Why am I not surprised.

And no, it benefits hitters more.[/QUOTE]

So Barry bonds was best in league before and after steroids

Eric Gagne was where before steroids? And when he did it he was cy young? Then after where was he?

Go watch some more YouTube videos about moon being a spaceship. You are a dipshit

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038603]So Barry bonds was best in league before and after steroids

Eric Gagne was where before steroids? And when he did it he was cy young? Then after where was he?

Go watch some more YouTube videos about moon being a spaceship. You are a dipshit[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone is debating your statement about Bonds, but here are some league numbers from the peak steroid era.

1998-2004. Close to 5 runs per game, about 76 OPS. Was around 70 during the late 80s and early 90s.

Home runs? Forget about it. 1998-2004 saw more home runs league wide compared to any era prior.

Batting numbers went down considerably across the board once the league cracked down on steroids.

The '99 and '00 season in particular was when batting numbers were insane.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038574]For argument sake, lets take away Ruth because he only played with whites and 00's Bonds because he used roids.

90's Bonds as hitter wasn't even better than prime Mantle or Ted Williams. Mantle you could debate, but Ted Williams in particular blows 90's Bonds away in OPS+, even had a season at age 38 where he hit 38 HRs and had an OPS+ of 233. Both also had higher WAR during their primes than 90's Bonds did.

Yet neither Mantle or Williams are rarely ranked ahead of Ruth on any all-time list you see.

That's how far ahead Ruth was ahead of his competition, even if you use the race thing against him.[/QUOTE]

What?

Williams doesn't get talked about as GOAT because he missed several seasons in his prime and wasn't an all-around great player. He was an all-time great hitter.

Mantles injuries never allowed him to produce the counting stats needed to be in the discussion.

I think you're getting confused again and trying to use WAR across eras when that's a horrible idea and doesn't work

Here's an era adjusted WAR list to help you out.

[url]https://eckeraadjustment.web.illinois.edu/#rankings[/url]

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;15038614]What?

Williams doesn't get talked about as GOAT because he missed several seasons in his prime and wasn't an all-around great player. He was an all-time great hitter.

Mantles injuries never allowed him to produce the counting stats needed to be in the discussion.

I think you're getting confused again and trying to use WAR across eras when that's a horrible idea and doesn't work

Here's an era adjusted WAR list to help you out.

[url]https://eckeraadjustment.web.illinois.edu/#rankings[/url][/QUOTE]

Bro, that top 100 list doesn't even have Ted Williams. :oldlol:

And I have seen a shit ton of lists putting Ted Williams top 5 ever. He missed some seasons because of war, but still played over 17 years in the league.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038615]Bro, that top 100 list doesn't even have Ted Williams. :oldlol:

And I have seen a shit ton of lists putting Ted Williams top 5 ever. He missed some seasons because of war, but still played over 17 years in the league.[/QUOTE]

He played in a much more shallow talent pool than modern players and was a bad defender and bad baserunner.. plus missed like 5 prime seasons. He's one of the GOAT hitter for sure, but il.not surprised he gets penalized on a list that tries to adjust for era

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;15038622]He played in a much more shallow talent pool than modern players and was a bad defender and bad baserunner.. plus missed like 5 prime seasons. He's one of the GOAT hitter for sure, but il.not surprised he gets penalized on a list that tries to adjust for era[/QUOTE]

Yes, he missed a good chunk of his prime because of war, but there has to be something wrong with that list for him to not even be top 100.

We are talking about arguably the greatest hitter ever, a dude who batted almost .390 at age 38.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038624]Yes, he missed a good chunk of his prime because of war, but there has to be something wrong with that list for him to not even be top 100.

We are talking about arguably the greatest hitter ever, a dude who batted almost .390 at age 38.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://eckeraadjustment.web.illinois.edu/era_adjusted_V2.1.html[/url]

He's top 15 on the lists here so may have just been an error not including him.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;15038625][url]https://eckeraadjustment.web.illinois.edu/era_adjusted_V2.1.html[/url]

He's top 15 on the lists here so may have just been an error not including him.[/QUOTE]

I knew it had to be an error.

Lakers never picked up a baseball in his life and thinks all the guys from the 1920s are the real deal but basketball players from the 60’s ain’t it lol


Brother couldn’t find his own ass with two hands and a flashlight. Keep watching your nerdy YouTube’s and acting like you know two shits lol

warriorfan using steroids actually makes a lot of sense. No wonder why he is always raging mad around here. Who the hell wakes up every morning and the first thing they do is go on ISH to insult people? You must be miserable.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038634]warriorfan using steroids actually makes a lot of sense. No wonder why he is always raging mad around here. Who the hell wakes up every morning and the first thing they do is go on ISH to insult people? You must be miserable.[/QUOTE]

No I’m super athletic and a physical specimen and I went on gear to see what my potential was and it’s wild. Keep being fat midge beaner though :lol

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038638]No I’m super athletic and a physical specimen and I went on gear to see what my potential was and it’s wild. Keep being fat midge beaner though :lol[/QUOTE]

Sure you are. Keep roid raging. :lol

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038643]Sure you are. Keep roid raging. :lol[/QUOTE]

Never played ball of any type never cycled

Damn bro you lame as ****

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038649]Never played ball of any type [B]never cycled
[/B]
Damn bro you lame as ****[/QUOTE]

We know you have. I remember the thread you posted about the bicycle you just bought, aka your car.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038651]We know you have. I remember the thread you posted about the bicycle you just bought, aka your car.[/QUOTE]

This sounds like a Lebron23 post

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038659]This sounds like a Lebron23 post[/QUOTE]

Okay thats funny af :lol

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038638]No I’m super athletic and a physical specimen and I went on gear to see what my potential was and it’s wild. Keep being fat midge beaner though :lol[/QUOTE]

Admitted roid use? Explains you oh so well. Meathead

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038685]Admitted roid use? Explains you oh so well. Meathead[/QUOTE]

**** off you midget white boy

[IMG]https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/sad-alcoholic-expressing-desperation-indoors-260nw-642021340.jpg[/IMG]

"I have more freinds than I can keep track of"
"I have sex with Playmates"
"I'm a super athletic physical specimen"
"PLEASE BELIEVE ME!"

:roll:

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038685]Admitted roid use? Explains you oh so well. Meathead[/QUOTE]

Every single famous bodybuilder, fitness model, even female Instagram chicks doing fitness is on gear. Not sure this is something you can judge someone for.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038418]Cocaine is not giving you an unfair advantage. What kind of nonsense did you just type? lol The effects of cocaine doesn’t even last long. Nice swing and miss there bud.[/QUOTE]

You're giving warriorfan shit for being argumentative but here you are for focusing on that singular point in my post. Lol okay pal.

The intent wasn't to put cocaine on the same pedestal as steroids, but it's still considered a performance enhancer. These guys weren't just snorting before games they were snorting *during* games.

Players on coke are definitely going to be more alert, confident and focused in the short term. How is that not an unfair advantage? I'm not saying it's as effective as taking steroids, but if you're going to take issue with PED's my point was that you would have to audit the entire history of baseball.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15038699][IMG]https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/sad-alcoholic-expressing-desperation-indoors-260nw-642021340.jpg[/IMG]

"I have more freinds than I can keep track of"
"I have sex with Playmates"
"I'm a super athletic physical specimen"
"PLEASE BELIEVE ME!"

:roll:[/QUOTE]

Your entire existence is seething at other alpha males

Lmao

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038721]Your entire existence is seething at other alpha males

Lmao[/QUOTE]

Your entire existence is overcompensating in here for your micro-meth-peenis :oldlol:

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15038701]Every single famous bodybuilder, fitness model, even female Instagram chicks doing fitness is on gear. Not sure this is something you can judge someone for.[/QUOTE]

But steroids didn't become illegal until 1990 and competitions didn't start testing until 1992. The claim everyone used or uses was more true in the 80's than after 1992. Especially if you wanted to make a living out of it.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15038746]But steroids didn't become illegal until 1990 and competitions didn't start testing until 1992. The claim everyone used or uses was more true in the 80's than after 1992. Especially if you wanted to make a living out of it.[/QUOTE]

You're talking about Bodybuildng? The 90s produced some of the biggest freaks ever. There was no trying to compete clean. You either abused them or weren't competing at all.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15038707]You're giving warriorfan shit for being argumentative but here you are for focusing on that singular point in my post. Lol okay pal.

The intent wasn't to put cocaine on the same pedestal as steroids, but it's still considered a performance enhancer. These guys weren't just snorting before games they were snorting *during* games.

Players on coke are definitely going to be more alert, confident and focused in the short term. How is that not an unfair advantage? I'm not saying it's as effective as taking steroids, but if you're going to take issue with PED's my point was that you would have to audit the entire history of baseball.[/QUOTE]

So let me get this straight you’re saying I’m focusing on a singular point in your post. Then follow it up with more nonsense. I don’t have to address the amphetamines part because that’s not something I disagree with. Or did you just want to hear from me “hey you’re right about everything except…”? Seems like you need an attaboy when someone points out something silly in what you said.

What baseball players were doing coke during the game to maintain its effects and benefitting from it production wise. By all means run off names. Snorting cocaine doesn’t have a lasting effect. Baseball games are entirely long. 2 1/2 a 3hrs. A snort doesn’t last that long. So what every 3 innings they are playing with their noses? For fun let’s say they do. Please name players. Name numerous players to justify playing taking roids in the 90’s to players taking cocaine during games to keep a hitting streak alive. You and meathead just be talking. Now have you and this idiot made some good points in this thread? Yes. Do I need to state that? No. Your cocaine take was dumb. Now don’t reply to me without just showing me a list of players who did cocaine during games and benefitted.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15038701]Every single famous bodybuilder, fitness model, even female Instagram chicks doing fitness is on gear. Not sure this is something you can judge someone for.[/QUOTE]

You judge people daily. Especially people of color. The audacity to tell me what to judge and what not to judge. Go walk into traffic

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;15038625][url]https://eckeraadjustment.web.illinois.edu/era_adjusted_V2.1.html[/url]

He's top 15 on the lists here so may have just been an error not including him.[/QUOTE]

The rocket was a dawg. Damn

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038759]You judge people daily. Especially people of color. The audacity to tell me what to judge and what not to judge. Go walk into traffic[/QUOTE]

GOBB if you were on steroids and trained boxing youd probably be able to beat some of us white boys in a fight.

But alas you aren't and haven't and thus its an impossibility. :lol

Yeah, talking about entering into competitions. Guys like Tom Platz and Alfred Beckles competing back in the 80's I'm sure we're using. Dudes thighs were bigger than putting 3 telephone poles together. I really didn't follow after the 80's too much, just figured once competitive testing started, it pretty much weaned out the abusers.

[QUOTE=tpols;15038761]GOBB if you were on steroids and trained boxing youd probably be able to beat some of us white boys in a fight.

But alas you aren't and haven't and thus its an impossibility. :lol[/QUOTE]

We've all seen you. You weigh like 80 lbs :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15038746]But steroids didn't become illegal until 1990 and competitions didn't start testing until 1992. The claim everyone used or uses was more true in the 80's than after 1992. Especially if you wanted to make a living out of it.[/QUOTE]

Huh? They arent testing, everyone is on roids. Always was.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038759]You judge people daily. Especially people of color. The audacity to tell me what to judge and what not to judge. Go walk into traffic[/QUOTE]

So, you have no rebuttal? Thx I suspected. Yea I judge muppets / racists like you, of course. But I dont tell anyone to kill themselves. Youre different.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15038949]So, you have no rebuttal? Thx I suspected. Yea I judge muppets / racists like you, of course. But I dont tell anyone to kill themselves. Youre different.[/QUOTE]


What are you bored? You talk to me about judging people and your entire existence here is…judging people. Do you need threads bumped? Posts copied and paste? Or do you have a counter for this up your sleeve in the deflection playbook? Yikes.

The taking steroids to become HE-MAN business is what directly led to the transitioning into a trans whatever business.

Point blank period end of discussion.

[video=youtube;92kMb0vJzGk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92kMb0vJzGk[/video]

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;15039066]The taking steroids to become HE-MAN business is what directly led to the transitioning into a trans whatever business.

Point blank period end of discussion.[/QUOTE]

Homie, just lookin out but you being weird right now lmao