The Top 100 Greatest NBA Players Of All Time According To ISH

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]1) FG% has nothing to do with Shooting ability
2) 2001-present is the Zone era of basketball. Jordan shot 42% in zone era.



1) Kobe didnt' get playing time early in his career
2) He played alongside Shaq, yet still put up huge numbers
3) Season averages mean nothing really. Kobe could have gotten the scoring title from 2002-now every single year, but he has played in best interest of the team.

Kobe Bryant's Scoring accomplishments that blow Jordan out the water:

-81 points in a game
-62 points in 33 minutes, outscoring dallas 62-61
-40 points in first 18 minutes of the game (42 at half)
-4 straight 45+ point games
-4 straight 50+ point games
-9 straigh 40+ point games
-13 straight 35+ point games
-551 points in 13 games
-43.4 ppg january 2006
-40.1 ppg april 2006
-42.4 ppg February 2003
-only player to score 2800 points and 180 threes in a season
-92 Career 40+ point games
-24 career 50+ point games
-4 career 60+ point games

Jordan has never outscored a team himself.
Jordan has never had 81
Jordan never had 50+ in 4 straight
Jordan never average 40 ppg for a month (Kobe has done it 3 times)



Kobe is 100% fearless on the court to take and make anyshot. Jordan didnt' have that. He lacked confidence beyond the arc, what if your team was down 3 or 4 points? I would much rather have kobe's unstoppable 3 point shot to will my team back. This is why Wade and Lebron are useless in tight games or when their team is down by 3 or more points in close games final seconds.



2004 Pistons and 2008 Celtics >>> Anything Jordan faced in Finals.
Jordan' team>>>>Kobe's team
Jordan's teammates>>>Kobes teammates
This era 2000-present>>90s'

Finals MVP = irrelevant.

Kobe is still only 30, I know that makes you piss your pants. He will win 2-4 more rings still. Bynum will be the best center soon. Pau is top 3 PF. Tmac meanwhile is out 3 weeks and will accomplish nothing .[/QUOTE]


[url]http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores97/97132/97132380.htm[/url]

This is what Kobe did in the handcheck era.

He averaged 7 ppg and got locked down by Jeff Hornecek.

[QUOTE]
The Lakers had a chance to win it in regulation, but Kobe Bryant, who finished
with 11 points, shot an air ball at the buzzer.

The 18-year-old Bryant would miss three more shots, including
two air balls, in the overtime.

[/QUOTE]


Kobe's accomplishments don't even compare to Jordan's.

90's > 00's.

90's had dominant big men which is what wins championships. 00's don't have it that is why some of the worst teams ever have gotten to the finals. 2001 Sixers, 2002 and 2003 Nets, 2006 Heat, 2007 Cavs, and the 2004 Pistons.

In fact it has only been in this era where top 5 players all time haven't won finals mvp's. 2004 - Billups, 2007 Parker, 2008 Pierce.


Playoffs

Most Points Per Game (min. 25 games)
33.4 by Michael Jordan (179 games)

Most Points in a Game
63 by Michael Jordan

Most 50 Point Games
8 by Michael Jordan

Most 40 Point Games
38 by Michael Jordan

Most 30 Point Games
109 by Michael Jordan

Most 20 Point Games
174 by Michael Jordan (he played 179 playoff games and scored under 20 only 5 times)

-Highest PER Efficiency Playoffs: 28.59



MJ:
NBA Regular-season records Michael Jordan holds:
-Most seasons leading league in scoring: 10
-Highest scoring average, career: 30.12ppg
-Most consecutive points, one game: 23
-Most seasons leading league in field goals made: 10
-Most consecutive gms in double figures in scoring:
866
-Most consecutive seasons leading PER: 7
-Highest career PER: 27.91
-Oldest player to score 40+ points: age 40 (43 pts)
-Oldest player to score 50+ points: age 38 (51 pts)

NBA Regular-season records Michael Jordan shares:
-Most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring:
7 (tied with Wilt Chamberlain)
-Most consecutive seasons, 2,000 plus points: 11 (Tied
with Malone)


NBA Playoff records Michael Jordan holds:
-Highest scoring average, career: 33.4ppg
-Record Total points: 5987
-Record Most FTS made: 1463
-Most points playoffs, one-game: 63
-Most points playoffs, three-game series: 135 (vs.
Miami, 1992)
-Most Points playoffs, five-game series: 226 (vs.
Cleveland, 1988)
-Most field goals made playoffs, three-game series:
53 (vs. Miami, 1992)
-Most field goals made playoffs, five-game series: 86
(vs. Philadelphia, 1990)
-Most field goals made playoffs, six-game series: 101
(vs. Phoenix, 1993)
-Most consecutive 50pt games: 2
-Most consecutive 45pt games: 3
-Most consecutive games, 20 plus points: 60
-Most free throws made, one quarter: 13
-Most free throws attempted, one quarter: 14
-Most 50 point games: 8
-Most 40 point games: 39
-Most consecutive points: 23

NBA Playoff records Michael Jordan shares:
-Most field goals, in a game: 24 (vs. Cleveland, May
1, 1988; tied with two others)
-Most three-point field goals made, one half: 6
(first half vs. Portland, June 3, 1992; tied with four
others)

NBA Finals records Michael Jordan holds:
- Highest Scoring average: 33.6
-Most points, six-game series: 246 (vs. Phoenix,
1993)
-Most field goals made, five-game series: 63 (vs.
L.A. Lakers, 1991)
-Most field goals made, six-game series: 101 (vs.
Phoenix, 1993)
-Most steals, five-game series: 14 (vs. L.A. Lakers,
1991)
-Highest scoring average, one series: 41.0 (vs.
Phoenix, 1993)
-Most consecutive games, 40-plus points: 4 (June 11,
1993 to June 18, 1993)
-Most consecutive 30 point games: 9
-Most consecutive games, 20-plus points: 29 (June 22,

1991 to June 1997)
-Most points, one-half: 35 (vs. Portland, June 3,
1992)
-Most consecutive field goals: 13 (Vs. LA)
-Most consecutive points: 23 (Vs. Seattle)
-Most Finals MVPs: 6



Here is Kobe's

KOBE:
NBA Regular-season records Kobe holds:
-All-rookie game (now defunct): 31 points

NBA Regular-season records Kobe Shares:
-Most 3 pointers in one game: 12 (shared with 1
player)
-Most 3 pointers in one half: 8 (5 players)
-Most consecutive 3 pointers: 9 (2 players)
-Most free throws made in one quarter: 14 (5 players)
-Most free throws attempted one quarter: 16 (6
players)

NBA Playoff Records Kobe holds:
-NONE

NBA Playoff Records Kobe Shares:
-NONE

NBA Finals records Kobe holds:
-NONE

NBA Finals records Kobe Shares:
-NONE


Conclusion: MJ still owns the most
scoring records as well as ALMOST ALL THE PLAYOFF
Records. Take a look at the all time scoring feats at
the bottom. MJ has 21 of them and the most important
ones, Wilt has 16, Kobe has 1. Take away Wilt and MJ
climbs to 26 and Kobe has 8. Below that are MJ's
records and KB's records. Not even close.

Here's a list of ALL-TIME SCORING RECORDS.

- Highest career scoring average: MJ 30.12
- Highest career playoff scoring average: MJ 33.4
- Highest career Finals scoring average: MJ 33.6
- Highest single season scoring average: Wilt 50.4
- Highest single series playoff average: West 46.3
- Highest single Finals series average: MJ 41.0
- Most seasons leading league in scoring: MJ 10
- Most consecutive seasons leading in scoring: MJ,
Wilt tied at 7
- Most 50 point games: Wilt 118
- Most 50 point games playoffs: MJ 8
- Most 40 point games: Wilt 271
- Most 40 point games playoffs: MJ 42
- Most consecutive 60 point games: Wilt 4
- Most consecutive 50 point games: Wilt 7
- Most consecutive 50 point games in playoffs: MJ 2
- Most consecutive 45 point games: Wilt 7
- Most consecutive 45 point games playoffs: MJ 3
- Most consecutive 40 point games: Wilt 14
- Most consecutive 40 point games rookie: AI 5
- Most consecutive 40 point games playoffs: West 6
- Most consecutive 40 point games finals: MJ 4
- Most consecutive 35 point games: Wilt 33
- Most consecutive 30 point games: Wilt 65
- Most consecutive 30 point games playoffs: Elgin 11
- Most consecutive 30 point games finals: MJ 9
- Most consecutive 20 point games: Wilt 126
- Most consecutive 20 point games playoffs: MJ 60
- Most consecutive 20 point games finals: MJ 35
- Most consecutive double figures scoring: MJ 866
- Most consecutive points in one game: MJ 23
- Most consecutive points in one game playoffs: MJ 23
- Highest scoring game: Wilt 100
- Highest scoring game playoffs: MJ 63
- Highest scoring game finals: Elgin 61
- Highest scoring game rookie: Wilt 58
- Highest scoring all-star game: Wilt 42
- Highest scoring all-rookie game: Kobe 31
- Most points in 3 quarters: Wilt 69
- Most points in one half: Wilt 59
- Most points one half playoffs: Sleepy Floyd 39
- Most points in one half finals: MJ 35
- Most points one half all-star game: Rice 24
- Most points in one quarter: Gervin 33
- Most points in one quarter playoffs: Sleepy Floyd 29
- Most points in one quarter finals: Isiah 25
- Most points in one quarter all-star game: Rice 20
- Most points in OT: Arenas 16
- Most points in OT playoffs: Drexler 13
- Most points in OT in finals: Havlicek, Laimbeer,
Ainge tied at 9
- Oldest to score 50: MJ 51 at age 38
- Oldest to score 40: MJ 43 at age 40


Oh when did Kobe get a finals MVP?


Oh and how many times has Kobe scored 37 points in the finals?

Answer: 0


How many times has Jordan scored 37 in the finals?

Answer: 15


[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-Worst[/url]

[QUOTE]
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers, 2004
Lakers vs. Pistons -- [B]Bryant's PER 14.2[/B]
With his feud against Shaq escalating and the series getting away from the Lakers, Bryant began taking whatever shot struck him. Mostly, they struck the rim -- he shot 38.1 percent and had nearly as many turnovers (18) as assists (22) as Detroit romped in five games.
[/QUOTE]


Oh and MJ has 5 of the top 15 greatest finals performances.

MVP's - Jordan = 5; Kobe = 1

Titles - Jordan = 6 (as the #1 Option); Kobe = 3 (in the shadow of another)

Finals MVP's - Jordan = 6; Kobe = 0

DPOY - Jordan = 1; Kobe = 0

Scoring Titles - Jordan = 10; Kobe = 2

Career PPG - Jordan = 30.1 (Highest Ever); Kobe = 25.0

Playoffs PPG - Jordan = 33.4 (Highest Ever); Kobe = 24.3

Playoff Points - Jordan = 5987 - Most Ever Points (179 games); Kobe = 3686 (152 games)

FG% - Jordan - 50% Career; Kobe = 45% Career Thus Far

Playoff FG% - Jordan = 49% Career; Kobe = 44% Career Thus Far

PER (Offensive and Defensive Rating) - Jordan Career = 27.91 (highest ever); Kobe = 23.57

Steals - Jordan = 2.4 SPG Career (with 3 Steals Titles); Kobe = 1.5 SPG

Blocks - Jordan = 0.8 BPG Career (most blocks ever for a guard); Kobe = 0.6


Kobe has never scored 50 in the finals
Kobe never has scored 40 in the finals.
Kobe never has scored 37 in the finals.
Kobe never has hit 6 3's in the finals.
Kobe has never averaged 27.3 ppg or more in any finals.
Kobe never has even led a team in the finals.


Kobe has never averaged 40 ppg in any playoff series whereas MJ has done so 6 times.


No contest,


Oh and if you want to battle show me his finals mvp's.


I know that pisses you off to see how Billups and Pierce are better than Kobe by the fact they outplayed him in the finals and Pierce did so with a busted knee cap.


Compare Kobe to someone like Vince Carter, he is more on his level. Because Vince Carter actually scored 50 in regulation in the playoffs something Kobe never did.

Lmao desperation sets in

posting numbers from 17 and 18 year old kobe:roll: :lol pathetic.

Then comparing jordan's stats in isolation era to Kobe's zone era. lmao

desperation stinks.

How does it feel that rockets will go nowhere with artest/yao/tmac/battier/scola/alston

LMAO!

Did this fool try to say that Kobe is better than Jordan????????

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]Lmao desperation sets in

posting numbers from 17 and 18 year old kobe:roll: :lol pathetic.

Then comparing jordan's stats in isolation era to Kobe's zone era. lmao

desperation stinks.

How does it feel that rockets will go nowhere with artest/yao/tmac/battier/scola/alston

LMAO![/QUOTE]

That was a peak Kobe at his best. He just got shut down by Hornecek.

The zone era started in 2004. From that point forward guys numbers have been increasing because it is easier to score.


How does it feel that Kobe will lose once again in the playoffs with the most stacked team ever?


Show me how Kobe is even better than Vince.

Vince scored 50 in regulation in the playoffs and Kobe never did that, thus Vince is better.

Billups and Parker got a finals mvp and Kobe never has thus they are better.

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]Lmao desperation sets in

[B]posting numbers from 17 and 18 year old kobe:roll: :lol pathetic.[/B]

Then comparing jordan's stats in isolation era to Kobe's zone era. lmao

desperation stinks.

How does it feel that rockets will go nowhere with artest/yao/tmac/battier/scola/alston

LMAO![/QUOTE]

Are you insinuating that Kobe Bryant's stats from his first two years are excused? Akin to a teacher throwing out your worst test grade when they calculate your final average.

[QUOTE=HisJoeness]Are you insinuating that Kobe Bryant's stats from his first two years are excused? Akin to a teacher throwing out your worst test grade when they calculate your final average.[/QUOTE]

Jordan = Cut from his high school team.

should we excuse that?

since when was the nba highschool sort it out man

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]Jordan = Cut from his high school team.

should we excuse that?[/QUOTE]

Yes, his high school career has nothing to do with his NBA accomplishments.

[QUOTE=gleden]Did this fool try to say that Kobe is better than Jordan????????[/QUOTE]

The guy is a troll that is why he has been banned from 5 forums now. He does nothing but promote Kobe and how good he is and then says how good the teams are Kobe has played once he comes up short even though he says Kobe was going to blow those teams out before the series started.

He does nothing but use the same useless information, but you never see him using finals stats or anything when stuff actually matters.

You already know he is a troll because of what he described Bird as.

The guy has never seen any other player play ball but Kobe and the guys he plays in meaningless regular season games.

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]Jordan = Cut from his high school team.

should we excuse that?[/QUOTE]

Yeah because high school is the nba right?

Leave this site you freaking troll.

That is why you have been banned from 5 forums already.

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]Jordan = Cut from his high school team.

should we excuse that?[/QUOTE]

and he didnt put bryants stats when he was young. he put bryants stats from his whole career but they didnt appear there since jordan and wilt were usually leading in all of those

a certain caption pic comes to mind but imageshack is playing up

[B]Explain to me how a...

[SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]Top 10 All-Time EFF Player
Top 9 All-Time Season PER Player and...
Top 7 Al-Time Play-Off PER[/COLOR]

*Facts and Stats![/SIZE]

Player whom had Inferior Casts and Teams than All of Those Above Him (and many below) in that Departament Through Out his Years (especially in his Prime) and Played in the Toughesta era in the NBA is Not a Top 5-10 Player of All-Time? :hammerhead: :confusedshrug: :rant [/B]

[B] Malone Higher than Barkley as a Player? :roll: = Most Overrated Player Ever with Russell. Malone is More like a Top 15-20

Barkley = Clearly the Most Underrated Great of All-Time by Miles by Miles...No Way Below Top 10 :no:

Are you Including his ...

-Louthmouthed Comments
-Off Court Activity (Spitting Incident, Fights, Not In Shape...)
-Short and Overweight Frame Can`t be a PF! ( More like = Envy and Humilation on the Rest of the NBA in his Prime)
-Agressive Demeanor

... In the Grading of a How Great a Player Is? :rolleyes:

It Looks Like You Are!!![/B] :rolleyes:

[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/image/1996/08/03/001093703.jpg[/img]


[B]1-Bill Russel Insulting Too High :roll: (Hardly a Top 10-15 Center of All Time)

2-Adrian Dantley Too Low once Again..
.
3-Grant Hill Too Low...Prime Grant is a Top 10 All Time SF maybe even a bit Higher....

4-Gary Payton Too Low[/B]

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by KB42PAH
Jordan = Cut from his high school team.

should we excuse that?[/QUOTE]


actually i think thats one of the parts on how we admire MJ so much he wasnt always better than his competition he had to work day and night for it to be GOAT unlike alot of HS phenoms like a Lebron James or OJ Mayo would were from middle school better than ppl 6-7 years older than them

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Explain to me how a...

[SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]Top 10 All-Time EFF Player
Top 9 All-Time Season PER Player and...
Top 7 Al-Time Play-Off PER[/COLOR]

*Facts and Stats![/SIZE]

Player whom had Inferior Casts and Teams than All of Those Above Him (and many below) in that Departament Through Out his Years (especially in his Prime) and Played in the Toughesta era in the NBA is Not a Top 5-10 Player of All-Time? :hammerhead: :confusedshrug: :rant [/B]

[B] Malone Higher than Barkley as a Player? :roll: = Most Overrated Player Ever with Russell. Malone is More like a Top 15-20

Barkley = Clearly the Most Underrated Great of All-Time by Miles by Miles...No Way Below Top 10 :no:

Are you Including his ...

-Louthmouthed Comments
-Off Court Activity (Spitting Incident, Fights, Not In Shape...)
-Short and Overweight Frame Can`t be a PF! ( More like = Envy and Humilation on the Rest of the NBA in his Prime)
-Agressive Demeanor

... In the Grading of a How Great a Player Is? :rolleyes:

It Looks Like You Are!!![/B] :rolleyes:

[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/image/1996/08/03/001093703.jpg[/img]


[B]1-Bill Russel Insulting Too High :roll: (Hardly a Top 10-15 Center of All Time)

2-Adrian Dantley Too Low once Again..
.
3-Grant Hill Too Low...Prime Grant is a Top 10 All Time SF maybe even a bit Higher....

4-Gary Payton Too Low[/B][/QUOTE]

Anyone that ranks a center that leads his team to 11 titles cant be less than a top 5 player. To just say his ppg was low is insulting to anyone that knows basketball or has seen him play.

[QUOTE=Niquesports]Anyone that ranks a center that leads his team to 11 titles cant be less than a top 5 player. To just say his ppg was low is insulting to anyone that knows basketball or has seen him play.[/QUOTE]

[B]Anyone who plays with 7 HOF for 13 Years will be Seen as A Great Player even if he Isn`t. :confusedshrug:

FG% at Below 50% with 7 HOFs? :rolleyes:
Great Rebounder, Passer and Defender? He Was but ofcourse even Ed Nealy can be seen as Greater than he Is if Playing with 7 HOF for All of his Career in his Prime and His Casts Prime....

Hakeem >>>>>>>>>>>>> Russell
Robinson >>>>>>>>>>>> Russell
Shaq>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russell
Ewing > Russell
Gilmore as Good or even > Russell [/B]

LeBron James First 6 years in the NBA > Career of Tracy Mcgrady.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]LeBron James First 6 years in the NBA > Career of Tracy Mcgrady.[/QUOTE]
lol I agree.

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Anyone who plays with 7 HOF for 13 Years will be Seen as A Great Player even if he Isn`t. :confusedshrug:

FG% at Below 50% with 7 HOFs? :rolleyes:
Great Rebounder, Passer and Defender? He Was but ofcourse even Ed Nealy can be seen as Greater than he Is if Playing with 7 HOF for All of his Career in his Prime and His Casts Prime....

Hakeem >>>>>>>>>>>>> Russell
Robinson >>>>>>>>>>>> Russell
Shaq>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russell
Ewing > Russell
Gilmore as Good or even > Russell [/B][/QUOTE]


Russell 11 titles and 2 NCAA Titles
Hakeem didnt win a title until Jordan was out the league
Robinson could never lead his team to a finals until Duncan can and took over the team
Shaq is just another version of Wilt and we all know how many times Russ lead his team over Wilt.
Ewing patterend his game after Russ being coach by John Thompson who played with Russ.

ITs funny how you want to say Russ played with 7 HOF and even a HOF coach but he is the only player /coach that was on all 11 title teams.
Find any news article or player or coach that has seen Russ play and show me one that has him ranked lower than a top 5 center.
Maybe you have a problem that he did everything Barkley couldnt lead his teams to Championships.

[quote=Niquesports]Russell 11 titles and 2 NCAA Titles
Hakeem didnt win a title until Jordan was out the league
Robinson could never lead his team to a finals until Duncan can and took over the team
[B] Shaq is just another version of Wilt and we all know how many times Russ lead his team over Wilt.[/B]
Ewing patterend his game after Russ being coach by John Thompson who played with Russ.

ITs funny how you want to say Russ played with 7 HOF and even a HOF coach but he is the only player /coach that was on all 11 title teams.
Find any news article or player or coach that has seen Russ play and show me one that has him ranked lower than a top 5 center.
Maybe you have a problem that he did everything Barkley couldnt lead his teams to Championships.[/quote]

Lol if you think Shaq is another version of Wilt. Prime Shaq would steal Wilt's lunch put him in a coffin and bury him. God knows what he would have done to the 6'9'' 225 pound Russell.

the bumping of this thread makes me question one thing:

how is Loki banned, but this KB24PAH guy and Sir Charles are still allowed to post? :wtf:

[QUOTE=Godfather]Lol if you think Shaq is another version of Wilt. Prime Shaq would steal Wilt's lunch put him in a coffin and bury him. God knows what he would have done to the 6'9'' 225 pound Russell.[/QUOTE]


Young Shaq Prime Shaq Old Fat Shaq has never dominated the league like Wilt has and Wilt played against 4 Top 50 OF all time Centers

[quote=Niquesports]Young Shaq Prime Shaq Old Fat Shaq has never dominated the league like Wilt has and Wilt played against 4 Top 50 OF all time Centers[/quote]

Please if Shaq toughest competition was Russel paired with players 6'10'' and under we all know Shaq would dominate them.

Not to mention Wilt never dominated the league the way Shaq did in three consecutive finals.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle][B]TALK ABOUT THE PLAYERS WHO YOU BELIEVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER ON THE LIST, ARE WAY TO HIGH ON THE LIST. ALSO TALK DISCUSS PLAYERS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE TOP 100 AND PLAYERS THAT HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING ON THIS LIST.[/B]


[I]Insidehoops has finally gotten through with it’s 100 Greatest Players list in 100 days (well probably 108 days, I wasn‘t here a couple of days and they went on a while longer). There is a bunch of great players, some hall of famers who didn’t even make this list.[/I]


-Gilbert Arenas
-Rolando Blackman
-Walter Davis
-Cliff Hagan
-Lou Hudson
-Gus Johnson
-Marques Johnson
-Bobby Jones
-Bill Laimbeer
-Lafayette Lever
-Ed MaCauley
-Jermaine O’Neal
-Jim Pollard
-Micheal Ray Richardson
-Jack Sikma
-Rudy Tomjanovich
-Chet Walker
-Paul Westphal
Just to name a few…


[I]Thanks to everyone from insidehoops who participated in these threads over the past 100+ days. I’m pretty sure everyone learned something they didn’t know before after voting and reading up on players.[/I]


#100 - Mark Aguirre. Mark Aguirre played in an era where the small forward was one of the deepest positions. #5, #12, #43, #58, #60, #61, #71 and #83 were all SF’s he had to play nightly. He held his own with the Dallas Mavericks and latter as a Piston. He made all of him NBA All-Star appearances and his highest scoring average (29.5) with Dallas. He was traded for #71 and helped Dallas win back to back titles as he played with #20, #47 and #62.

| PPG 20 | RPG 5 | APG 3.1 |
[B]3 NBA All-Star Games
Field Goal attempts leader
2 NBA Championships[/B]


[IMG]http://www.nba.com/media/history/dal_uni_02.jpg[/IMG]


[B][U]ISH 100 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time[/U][/B]
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. John Stockton
23. Bob Cousy
24. Kobe Bryant
25. Rick Barry
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Clyde Drexler
28. Gary Payton
29. Willis Reed
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Allen Iverson
32. Walt Frazier
33. Elvin Hayes
34. George Gervin
35. Jason Kidd
36. Dave Cowens
37. Kevin Garnett
38. Bob McAdoo
39. Nate Thurmond
40. Wes Unseld
41. Kevin McHale
42. Dolph Schayes
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Bill Walton
45. Sam Jones
46. Kevin Johnson
47. Dennis Rodman
48. Dirk Nowitzki
49. Steve Nash
50. Billy Cunningham
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51. Nate 'Tiny' Archibald
52. 'Pistol' Pete Maravich
53. Tracy McGrady
54. Hal Greer
55. Jerry Lucas
56. Robert Parish
57. Earl 'the Pearl' Monroe
58. Bernard King
59. Artis Gilmore
60. Alex English
61. James Worthy
62. Joe Dumars
63. Bill Sharman
64. Reggie Miller
65. Paul Arizin
66. Sidney Moncrief
67. Dave DeBusschere
68. Dave Bing
69. David Thompson
70. Lenny Wilkens
71. Adrian Dantley
72. Bob Lanier
73. Neil Johntson
74. Walt Bellamy
75. Vince Carter
76. Spencer Haywood
77. Ray Allen
78. Dennis Johnson
79. Paul Pierce
80. Dikembe Mutombo
81. Connie Hawkins
82. Chris Webber
83. Chris Mullin
84. Grant Hill
85. Mitch Richmond
86. Dan Issel
87. 'Jumpin' Joe Fulks
88. Alonzo Mourning
89. Shawn Kemp
90. Mark Price
91. Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway
92. Tommy Heinsohn
93. George McGinnis
94. Tim Hardaway
95. Mel Daniels
96. Bob Davies
97. Tom Chambers
98. Maurice Cheeks
[B]99. Ben Wallace[/B]
100. Mark Aguirre

[B]#100 Greatest Player Voting[/B]
[U]Mark Aguirre = 8 votes[/U]
Gilbert Arenas = 3 votes
Lafayette Lever = 3 votes
Jim Pollard = 2 votes
Bobby Jones = 1 vote
Bill Laimbeer = 1 vote
Ed MaCauley = 1 vote
Rik Smits = 1 vote

[B]
Number 101 seems to be a tie between Gilbert Arenas and Fat Lever...[/B]


[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57656"]Official #100 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH[/URL][/QUOTE]

This is a fairly biased list considering almost half of the players are those who are still playing in the league. Besides, how come Ben Wallace is ranked at top 100 while Chauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton are not? I'm also pretty sure CP3 and Deron are already better than Ben Wallace ever was...

[QUOTE=Godfather]Please if Shaq toughest competition was Russel paired with players 6'10'' and under we all know Shaq would dominate them.

Not to mention Wilt never dominated the league the way Shaq did in three consecutive finals.[/QUOTE]


Well if Wilt ever had to play against centers as weak as the ones that Shaq played against in 3 title he would have dominated also.With the exception of Mutombo Shaq hasnt played against any center worth mentioning in a finals oh my bad he did get his butt whipped when he faced Hakeem.

[quote=The Nets]This is a fairly biased list considering almost half of the players are those who are still playing in the league. Besides, how come Ben Wallace is ranked at top 100 while Chauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton are not? I'm also pretty sure CP3 and Deron are already better than Ben Wallace ever was...[/quote]

CP3 yes, Deron no. Prime Ben Wallace was the most dominating defensive force in the 00's, he definitely deserves a spot on this list above Billups (Ben had a very good case for the finals mvp), Hamilton, and Deron.

[QUOTE=Godfather]CP3 yes, Deron no. Prime Ben Wallace was the most dominating defensive force in the 00's, he definitely deserves a spot on this list above Billups (Ben had a very good case for the finals mvp), Hamilton, and Deron.[/QUOTE]


Ben just happened to be just the center the Pistons needed he has been a below average center before he got to the pistons and since he left.

[quote=Niquesports]Well if Wilt ever had to play against centers as weak as the ones that Shaq played against in 3 title he would have dominated also.With the exception of Mutombo Shaq hasnt played against any center worth mentioning in a finals oh my bad he did get his butt whipped when he faced Hakeem.[/quote]

How many years in the league when he got "whipped" by Hakeem (btw another player that would have made Wilt his b[B]i[/B]tch).

[QUOTE=Godfather]CP3 yes, Deron no. Prime Ben Wallace was the most dominating defensive force in the 00's, he definitely deserves a spot on this list above Billups (Ben had a very good case for the finals mvp), Hamilton, and Deron.[/QUOTE]

This is why 2000s is a weak era. Ben Wallace could have been owned completely in more than half of his game if he had played in 1980s and 1990s while he's regarded as one of the best centers in 2000s...

[quote=Niquesports]Ben just happened to be just the center the Pistons needed he has been a below average center before he got to the pistons and since he left.[/quote]

He was out of his prime when he went to the Bulls (good job Bulls front office). All that matters is that with the Pistons Ben Wallace won 4 defensive player of the year awards, had 4 all star appearances, 6 All-NBA defensive teams, and 5 ALL NBA teams (3 2nd team 2 third).

What are you talking about? Ben Wallace is one of the greatest defensive Center of all time, and he's a 4X NBA Defensive Player of the Year.

That's very impressive for a guy that was undrafted in the 1996 NBA Draft, and his real height is only 6'7".

[QUOTE=Godfather]How many years in the league when he got "whipped" by Hakeem (btw another player that would have made Wilt his b[B]i[/B]tch).[/QUOTE]


How many years was Russ in the league before he won his first title ?????
At least you admit that Hakeem gave Shaq the Jail house booty snatch with no vasiline.

[quote=The Nets]This is why 2000s is a weak era. Ben Wallace could have been owned completely in more than half of his game if he had played in 1980s and 1990s while he's regarded as one of the best centers in 2000s...[/quote]

In the 1980's/1990's he would have still been considered an excellent defender (imagine Ben Wallace being allowed to hand check :eek:). No doubt the 00's was a weaker era for Big Men, but doens't ignore the fact you could take the top 15 centers from the 00's and have any one of them being considered a HOF in Wilt's era.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]What are you talking about? Ben Wallace is one of the greatest defensive Center of all time, and he's a 4X NBA Defensive Player of the Year.

That's very impressive for a guy that was undrafted in the 1996 NBA Draft, and his real height is only 6'7".[/QUOTE]

Because he's in Cavaliers? :confusedshrug:

I'm not actually a Ben Wallace hater and I hate nobody, but ranking Ben Wallace at top 100 is just freaking ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Godfather]He was out of his prime when he went to the Bulls (good job Bulls front office). All that matters is that with the Pistons Ben Wallace won 4 defensive player of the year awards, had 4 all star appearances, 6 All-NBA defensive teams, and 5 ALL NBA teams (3 2nd team 2 third).[/QUOTE]

Well if he was past his prime with the Bulls and now the Cavs what did he do before he got to the pistons he was a below than avg center true he was a very good banger but for real he's just another Charles oakley

[quote=Niquesports]How many years was Russ in the league before he won his first title ?????
At least you admit that Hakeem gave Shaq the Jail house booty snatch with no vasiline.[/quote]

Shaq was torched on the defensive end, but that is to be expected when you have only been in the league two years. On the offensive end Shaq still had an impressive series (against a prime Hakeem none the less).

How many HOF's did Russel play with. You can say Big Ben doesn't deserve to be on the list because he was only defender. When Russel was a glorified defender, who had no offensive game, and played with 5 (4/5 don't remember) HOF while Big Ben played with none.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]What are you talking about? Ben Wallace is one of the greatest defensive Center of all time, and he's a 4X NBA Defensive Player of the Year.

That's very impressive for a guy that was undrafted in the 1996 NBA Draft, and his real height is only 6'7".[/QUOTE]


I agree That Ben was an overachiever but there were other undersized centers that were heads over heels over Ben Unseld and Reed just to name a couple.

[QUOTE=The Nets]Because he's in Cavaliers? :confusedshrug:

I'm not actually a Ben Wallace hater and I hate nobody, but ranking Ben Wallace at top 100 is just freaking ridiculous.[/QUOTE]


Even if you are a fan of another team in the NBA. I think you should give some appreciation to Ben Wallace because he can play in any era, and he would still be a rebounding machine.

He's the closest thing to a Prime Dennis Rodman, who was regarded as one of the greatest defender in NBA History.

[quote]

[B][U]NBA records, achievements and milestones[/U][/B]


* NBA Champion: 2004
* 4-time NBA All-Star: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006
* 4-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006
* 6-time All-NBA Defensive Team:

* First Team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006
* Second Team: 2007

* 5-time All-NBA:

* Second Team: 2003, 2004, 2006
* Third Team: 2002, 2005

* 2-time NBA regular-season leader, rebounds per game: 2002 (13.0), 2003 (15.4)
* NBA regular-season leader, blocks per game: 2002 (3.5)
* 2-time NBA regular-season leader, total rebounds: 2001 (1052), 2003 (1026)
* NBA regular-season leader, total defensive rebounds: 2001 (749)
* 2-time NBA regular-season leader, total offensive rebounds: 2003 (293), 2006 (301)
* NBA regular-season leader, total blocks: 2002 (278)


* Only player in NBA history to record 1,000 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 100 steals in 4 consecutive seasons (2001-04).[5]
* One of three players in NBA history to record 150 blocks and 100 steals in 7 consecutive seasons (2001-07) (along with Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson).[5][12][13]
* One of four players in NBA history to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocking averages in the same season (along with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, and Hakeem Olajuwon).
* One of three players in NBA history to average 15 rebounds and 3 blocks per game over a season (along with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bob McAdoo).
* Only undrafted player in NBA history to be voted a starter for the NBA All-Star Game.
* One of two players in NBA history to receive NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award 4 times (along with Dikembe Mutombo).
* Only undrafted player to receive a contract of $54 million+ from one team.
* Ranks 16th all-time in blocked shots (1903)* in NBA history[14]
* Ranks 24th all-time in offensive rebounds (2898)* in NBA history[15]
* Ranks tied for 24th all-time (with A.C. Green) in defensive rebounds (6119)* in NBA history[16]
* Ranks 43rd all-time in total rebounds (9017)* in NBA history. [/quote]

[quote=Niquesports]Well if he was past his prime with the Bulls and now the Cavs what[B] did he do before he got to the pistons he was a below than avg center[/B] true he was a very good banger but for real he's just another Charles oakley[/quote]

No you idiot. When he was at Orlando he was considered an solid defender, but didn't have nearly near the minutes that he did with the pistons. When Ben Wallace got on the pistons he was given the ample playing time to show them off, and he capitalized it winning 4 consecutive defensive player of the year and being the only player in NBA history to record 1,000 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 100 steals in 4 consecutive season.

[QUOTE=Godfather]Shaq was torched on the defensive end, but that is to be expected when you have only been in the league two years. On the offensive end Shaq still had an impressive series (against a prime Hakeem none the less).

How many HOF's did Russel play with. You can say Big Ben doesn't deserve to be on the list because he was only defender. When Russel was a glorified defender, who had no offensive game, and played with 5 (4/5 don't remember) HOF while Big Ben played with none.[/QUOTE]


Russ played with about 5 HOF and one of the greatest coaches of all time and every single one of them will say Russ was that teams leader. He even lead one of those title teams as a player coach. Thats leadership. Russ was great from his first game until his last Ben cant say this as a matter of fact Ben was a below avg center for more years than he was as an DPOY so lets get him out of this discussion.