I hope everyone in the Mav's locker room goes outta their way to let him know that he is Devean George, a 10th man, and he cost the team a chance to get one of the best PGs ever. How does he get a no trade claus anyway?
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I hope everyone in the Mav's locker room goes outta their way to let him know that he is Devean George, a 10th man, and he cost the team a chance to get one of the best PGs ever. How does he get a no trade claus anyway?
[QUOTE=Meticode]I don't blame Devean honestly. If you see players like Kidd unhappy for the Nets, and Carter and Jefferson don't look too happy rightnow, why would you want to be traded to the Nets who are obviously giong to try to rebuild after this year when you're playing for a top West team rightnow?[/QUOTE]
HE already demanded to be traded this year b/c he felt he wasn't getting enough PT to showcase himself for a new contract next year. He does not care about winning. You can't ask to be traded and then complain when it happens.
[QUOTE]How does he get a no trade claus anyway?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Article VII: Section 8
(b) A player with a one-year Contract (excluding any Option Year) who would be a Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or an Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent upon completing the playing services called for under his Contract cannot be traded without the player's consent. Should the player consent and be traded, then, for purposes of determining whether the player is a Qualifying Veteran Free Agent, Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent at the conclusion of the Contract or any subsequent Contract between the player and the assignee Team, the player shall be considered as having changed Teams by means of signing a Contract with the assignee Team as a Free Agent (and not by means of trade).[/QUOTE]
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Was a typo and should have been play but whatever, I stand by it. He's doing what's best for him. I don't at all like Ager, Stackhouse, Jones, or Hassell so liking George more than those 3 doesn't particularly mean much. It's not like those 3 are exactly lighting the world on fire with their shooting either. Jones has started 31 games and is shooting 35%, a scorching 3-16 for 9pts in his last 3 games. Whole team sucks really, I don't care ever since they got rid of most of the players I liked after the 02 season and changed their style. It's just funny to see everyone villainizing George for doing what the rule was specifically made to allow him to do, not put himself in a position whereby accepting a trade he loses potential millions.
Trade will probably still go through once he can get the Nets or Mavs to commit to what they're going to do with him after the season.
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]Was a typo and should have been play but whatever, I stand by it. He's doing what's best for him. I don't at all like Ager, Stackhouse, Jones, or Hassell so liking George more than those 3 doesn't particularly mean much. It's not like those 3 are exactly lighting the world on fire with their shooting either. Jones has started 31 games and is shooting 35%, a scorching 3-16 for 9pts in his last 3 games. Whole team sucks really, I don't care ever since they got rid of most of the players I liked after the 02 season and changed their style. It's just funny to see everyone villainizing George for doing what the rule was specifically made to allow him to do, not put himself in a position whereby accepting a trade he loses potential millions.
Trade will probably still go through once he can get the Nets or Mavs to commit to what they're going to do with him after the season.[/QUOTE]
He's not doing what's best for him. He made the most idiotic move that he could make. He already requested a trade from the Mavericks earlier in the season. If he was so worried about his "early Bird" rights, he should've thought of it then.
Secondly, there's no chance in HELL the Mavs will resign him after this season. No team is going to go over the cap to sign Devean George. It's just not gonna happen. He should've been happy to get to NJ where he'd have a shot at getting some PT and trying to earn a bigger contract or get re-signed. What an idiot.
[QUOTE=fallyous]I hope everyone in the Mav's locker room goes outta their way to let him know that he is Devean George, a 10th man, and he cost the team a chance to get one of the best PGs ever. How does he get a no trade claus anyway?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that will go over well when he wears his 3 rings into the locker room and say "I'm Devean George Damnit".
[QUOTE=Ghetto Phenom] He's not doing what's best for him. He made the most idiotic move that he could make. He already requested a trade from the Mavericks earlier in the season. If he was so worried about his "early Bird" rights, he should've thought of it then.
Secondly, there's no chance in HELL the Mavs will resign him after this season. No team is going to go over the cap to sign Devean George. It's just not gonna happen. He should've been happy to get to NJ where he'd have a shot at getting some PT and trying to earn a bigger contract or get re-signed. What an idiot.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure he realizes that Dallas is not planning on signing him next year (especially if he's on the trading block right now). Maybe he doesn't even want to sign with Dallas next year.
But, why would he want to go to the Nets w/o Kidd and possibly w/o Carter? What does that benefit him? Staying with Dallas, for the remainder of the season, means he doesn't have to uproot his family and may give him a 4th ring. He's an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season and will have the opportunity to choose from interested teams.
Maybe I need to watch the video again but, I didn't hear him say "I'm not going to NJ". What he said was, "I'm waiting for my agent to explain, to me, what my options are. We have time." Any smart man would weigh his options before making a career decision. You think Harris or Diop wouldn't do the same thing if they had the opportunity?
Do you really think he cares about being hated in a city that he, most likely, won't be in after June? He should look out for HIS best interest, just like we all do when we make career decisions.
he may not be a great player, but he sure did shut down this trade deal. i guess he's just wanting to go against the grain and piss cuban off.
[QUOTE=Meticode]I don't blame Devean honestly. If you see players like Kidd unhappy for the Nets, and Carter and Jefferson don't look too happy rightnow, why would you want to be traded to the Nets who are obviously giong to try to rebuild after this year when you're playing for a top West team rightnow?[/QUOTE]
Because the team doesn't want you. And you get to showcase your talents on the Nets and get playing time, to try to earn your next contract. HE ASKED FOR A TRADE TWO WEEKS AGO!!!!!!!
If i'm cuban, i tell George to "go home". period. He wouldn't play another minute for me ever. go home and rot and don't even think about asking for a sign and trade during the offseason. buh bye.
[QUOTE=bagelred]Because the team doesn't want you. And you get to showcase your talents on the Nets and get playing time, to try to earn your next contract. HE ASKED FOR A TRADE TWO WEEKS AGO!!!!!!!
If i'm cuban, i tell George to "go home". period. He wouldn't play another minute for me ever. go home and rot and don't even think about asking for a sign and trade during the offseason. buh bye.[/QUOTE]
He asked for a trade but, he still holds the cards re: what's acceptable to him.
Whether you send him home or not, you still gotta pay him. And I'm sure he would file a grievance with the player's union and make Cuban look like a fool. Why would he need a sign and trade? He's a free agent. And if you sign him for more money, you probably won't be able to trade him anyway.
Their best bet is to try to negotiate with him or rework the deal w/o him.
[QUOTE=BballFan422]He asked for a trade but, he still holds the cards re: what's acceptable to him.
Whether you send him home or not, you still gotta pay him. And I'm sure he would file a grievance with the player's union and make Cuban look like a fool. Why would he need a sign and trade? He's a free agent. And if you sign him for more money, you probably won't be able to trade him anyway.
Their best bet is to try to negotiate with him or rework the deal w/o him.[/QUOTE]
The whole point of stopping the trade was to keep his Bird rights. Bird rights only apply if team you are on wants to sign and trade you, or sign you for more money. You think Cuban will do either of those now? So in essence, George is keeping his Bird rights for no reason.
Of course, George CAN do this. He certaintly has the right to. But everyone else has the right to berate him and make his life miserable for the rest of his Dallas existence.
[QUOTE=bagelred]The whole point of stopping the trade was to keep his Bird rights. Bird rights only apply if team you are on wants to sign and trade you, or sign you for more money. You think Cuban will do either of those now? So in essence, George is keeping his Bird rights for no reason.
[b] Of course, George CAN do this. He certaintly has the right to. But everyone else has the right to berate him and make his life miserable [/b] for the rest of his Dallas existence.[/QUOTE]
In other words, just because you have a ***** card available does not mean that you should play it.
don't know if someone else already thought of this, but maybe stern bribed him to use his clause. i mean in the interview with him, the reporter asked "why did you do this" point blank, and he totally avoided it saying he doesn't mind being the bad guy while looking out for his best interest. how is he looking out for his best interest? he doesn't say. stern did not want to deal with kidd going west before the all-star game (b/c then he's going to have to make up some new crazy rule and shake up the all-star game), so he has george hold out until after the all-star game. when the reporter was talking to george, it sounded like he was just holding it up temporarily to make sure everything was in order. it sounded like, he's definitely going to let the trade go thru, just not yet. why? b/c stern wants kidd to start for the east, where the fans voted him to start. boom!
[QUOTE=PejaNowitzki]In other words, just because you have a ***** card available does not mean that you should play it.[/QUOTE]
Play what? It's not like George is benefitting. He's making himself look foolish and p-ssing off alot of people.
How is George "winning" by doing this? If i'm George, I go to NJ for two months, play hard and get my minutes, and try to earn a nice contract somewhere. On Dallas, a team that doesn't want him, he is not even going to play. Where is the logic? How are his Bird rights going to help him?
It's like a boss firing productive employees. You ask him, "Why did you do that"?. And he says "Because I can.". Just doesn't make sense, George is spiting himself.
[QUOTE=bagelred]Play what? It's not like George is benefitting. He's making himself look foolish and p-ssing off alot of people.
How is George "winning" by doing this? If i'm George, I go to NJ for two months, play hard and get my minutes, and try to earn a nice contract somewhere. On Dallas, a team that doesn't want him, he is not even going to play. Where is the logic? How are his Bird rights going to help him?
It's like a boss firing productive employees. You ask him, "Why did you do that"?. And he says "Because I can.". Just doesn't make sense, George is spiting himself.[/QUOTE]
Just because he has the ABILITY to block the trade, doesn't mean that he should do it, for many many reasons.
Is that better? The guy is not special nor talented enough to be pulling this bull**** and I could see a lot of team's basically blacklisting him in the future.
[QUOTE=PejaNowitzki]Just because he has the ABILITY to block the trade, doesn't mean that he should do it, for many many reasons.
Is that better? The guy is not special nor talented enough to be pulling this bull**** and I could see a lot of team's basically blacklisting him in the future.[/QUOTE]
So we agree?
Just want to try something:
Hearts
Diamonds
Clubs
Spades
Oh, so you can write spades, I thought it was blocking it.
[B]Dear Mr[/B](s). [B]George[/B]:
The reason you have your "LARRY FREAKIN' BIRD RIGHTS" is because Dallas signed your SORRY BUM AS$ TO A 1 YEAR DEAL 2 YEARS IN A ROW. Interpretation-"WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH FAITH IN YOU AND IF WE CAN GET SOMEONE BETTER NEXT YEAR WE WILL". Do you think that we'll actually help you now? Sure you screw us now with this garbage but AFTER THIS SEASON you won't be in the NBA AGAIN ...EVEEEEERRRRRRR.
[B]"EXERCISE THESE RIGHTS YOU EFFIN' DUMMY!!!!"[/B]
WOW!!!!!
My brother told me that last night Dallas fans were booing at Devean George and they're shouting "We Want Kidd, We Want Kidd".
My guess is this is a desperate attempt to stay in the league. If the trade goes through, maybe NJ lets him run for a couple of months and thanks him for his expiring contract. Or maybe they just cut him up front. It's probably going to backfire though, and niether team will want him next year.
Awesome, Van Horn might make some money for doing nothing. I'm very sure the next CBA is going to make sure these things don't happen anymore.
His agent is feeding him bad advice. His agent thinks he's smart in not giving away rights, but he's not looking at the bigger picture. George is pissing off two organizations, other players, and a whole league of fans that will boo him during home games. His Bird rights mean diddly squat.
Plus every GM in the league is watching thinking "WTF is George doing. Really? Denying a Kidd trade? Is this scrub worth the trouble?"
Ernie is the only TNT guy who actually understands the CBA.
If I were the Mavs, I'd release that prick, let him go off and sign with the Lakers and the next time those two teams play, I'd send out some random goon to crack that f$%ker upside his head.
[QUOTE=PejaNowitzki]If I were the Mavs, I'd release that prick, let him go off and sign with the Lakers and the next time those two teams play, I'd send out some random goon to crack that f$%ker upside his head.[/QUOTE]
Which would then lead to an investigation by the league which would most likely result in a fine and or suspension.
Nice post bud. :roll:
[QUOTE=Fubar]Which would then lead to an investigation by the league which would most likely result in a fine and or suspension.
Nice post bud. :roll:[/QUOTE]
Investigation of what? The guy might happen to be going for a blocked shot...instead he blocks George's face and throws him to the floor. Accidents happen. :)
:rockon:
The thing I find most amusing is that D. George is delaying the Mavs from making a huge mistake yet majority of their "fans" are rushing for it to happen.
[QUOTE=Da KO King]The thing I find most amusing is that D. George is delaying the Mavs from making a huge mistake yet majority of their "fans" are rushing for it to happen.[/QUOTE]
Not me.
word i hate devean george hes a ***** for ruining this perfect trade
[QUOTE=Da KO King]The thing I find most amusing is that D. George is delaying the Mavs from making a huge mistake yet majority of their "fans" are rushing for it to happen.[/QUOTE]
Oh I know, that is why I am rooting for Dallas to go ahead and complete this trade before cooler heads prevail. I don't think that Dallas fans remember how badly the Spurs manhandled their team before Diop arrived on the scene, he'll be the biggest loss in this whole trade.
Same with Harris. Dude has owned Tony Parker since he came into the league, dating all the way back to his rookie season when he hung 20 on him in the 4th alone, and it was adding Harris into the starting lineup that changed the series and allowed the Mavs to beat the Spurs for the first time.
[QUOTE=PejaNowitzki]If I were the Mavs, I'd release that prick, let him go off and sign with the Lakers and the next time those two teams play, I'd send out some random goon to crack that f$%ker upside his head.[/QUOTE]
And a Happy Valentine's Day to you too.....
Devean George was right.
Dallas knew they couldn't include him in the deal without his consent, but they went ahead and did it.
They needed to ask him, and they either didn't or they didn't care.
The CBA is there to protect players, and it was negotiated by teams and the union.
If Dallas can do this to George, then other teams would do the same thing to other players.
George made a good point though about how many athletes don't know all the legal jargon and loopholes in their contracts sometimes. It seems to me that they thought they could just pull one over on him and he wouldn't know he had power to veto it and maybe his agent called and let him know.
Because I can't believe that they really didn't know he had that power after having been signed twice to 1 yr deals.
So why did he shut it down?
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]
Because I can't believe that they really didn't know he had that power after having been signed twice to 1 yr deals.[/QUOTE]
Don't be shocked.
Fans give these NBA suits far too much credit many times. These guys can be just as lazy as the next guy and only check into things when they feel they should.
Hell a few years ago the New England Patriots swindled the Washington Redskins out of two draft picks because the Redskins didn't fully understand a technicality.
This punk was paid by the Lakers and David Stern to prevent the trade from happening.
Kidd is going to the Cavs. Mark my words.
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]Same with Harris. Dude has owned Tony Parker since he came into the league, dating all the way back to his rookie season when he hung 20 on him in the 4th alone, and it was adding Harris into the starting lineup that changed the series and allowed the Mavs to beat the Spurs for the first time.[/QUOTE]
Yeap we will still matchup with San Antonio and keeping getting raped by the Baron Davises,the Deron Williamses and Chris Pauls of the world.
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]Same with Harris. Dude has owned Tony Parker since he came into the league, dating all the way back to his rookie season when he hung 20 on him in the 4th alone, and it was adding Harris into the starting lineup that changed the series and allowed the Mavs to beat the Spurs for the first time.[/QUOTE]
Harris and Diop were the keys to me that year in the playoffs.....now the Mavs are trading both for an aging point guard.
[QUOTE=Da KO King]The thing I find most amusing is that D. George is delaying the Mavs from making a huge mistake yet majority of their "fans" are rushing for it to happen.[/QUOTE]
COSING.....EVERY MAVS FANS SHOULD THANK GEORGE..TRADIN 4 ROTATION PLAYER FOR A 35 YEAR PG...AND LEAVIN DAMPIER TO DEFEEN DUNCAN-OBERTO-ELSON...SHAQ-AMARE...GASOL-BYNUM-TURIAF..BOOZER-MILLSAP AND COLLINS....DALLAS ARE STUPID TO MAKE THIS TRADE..PLAYOFFS IS ALL ABOUT MATCHUPS..I GUESS THEY DIDNT GET THERE LESSON FROM LAST YEAR
[QUOTE=PejaNowitzki]Oh I know, that is why I am rooting for Dallas to go ahead and complete this trade before cooler heads prevail. I don't think that Dallas fans remember how badly the Spurs manhandled their team before Diop arrived on the scene, he'll be the biggest loss in this whole trade.[/QUOTE]
You almost copied my post :0)...people don't realise Diop is the Xfactor...imagine dampier against shaq,amare,bynum gasol,duncan oberto....dallas are plain ignorant for going with this trade.
[QUOTE=Topdoglakers]You almost copied my post :0)...people don't realise Diop is the Xfactor...imagine dampier against shaq,amare,bynum gasol,duncan oberto....dallas are plain ignorant for going with this trade.[/QUOTE]
does anyone remember what duncan did to the mavs in the 2006 playoffs with diop starting opposite him? he killed them. 1 game over 40, 4 over 30, 1 over 25, and his lowest scoring game was 24 points ... diop only played 6 minutes of that one. if you're concerned about depth that's fine. or team d. but let's not go overboard pretending that diop is some kind of all-nba big man lockdown defender.