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That's so disrespectful, He's a damn rookie, don't talk to a legend who's not in his prime anymore like that. That's like Dwight Howard dunking over Shaq, and scoring 40 and 19 on him and saying he can't guard me, shaq isnt in his prime so I that is real disrespectful don't ever disrespect kidd like that again
[QUOTE=206kid]That's so disrespectful, He's a damn rookie, don't talk to a legend who's not in his prime anymore like that. That's like Dwight Howard dunking over Shaq, and scoring 40 and 19 on him and saying he can't guard me, shaq isnt in his prime so I that is real disrespectful don't ever disrespect kidd like that again[/QUOTE]
Chris Paul is a rookie? Interesting.
[QUOTE=LuCKy_JuNiOr]I'm sorry but that's bull****, they take it just as serious as any other team, you can say they prepare themselves for the playoffs better, but to say they don't take it seriously, insane.[/QUOTE]
I think you're missing the point of 'taking is seriously'. They don't play their stars to death (less mpg) like some of the other teams. I think that what was meant...
[QUOTE=A Roc 23][B]You are out of your mind. CP owns Kidd now and forever.[/B] It has nothing to do with Kidd being on a new team. It's been 2 months now by the way, not "30 days."
Jason Kidd is a walking double-double? :roll: He has 35 compared to Chris Paul's 57. Where the hell do you get this **** from?
Chris Paul led the league in assists and flat out lead his young team to the 2nd best record in the West. His offense makes the team better then they ever could've been with Kidd. Chris Paul is the leader and he sets up his good shooters in good position. He's working with what he has. :confusedshrug: West and Chandler are better then ever, Paul gives them everything they need. Peja was an MVP candidate for about 2 months 5 years ago. :oldlol: You and everyone else in the world realizes that he is a role player now.
I just don't understand your thought process. Kidd and Nash made their teams a lot better in the past, but where would the Hornets be without CP3? They'd go from 2nd in the West to awful. Chris Paul led his team to 57 wins and just dominated the Mavericks. A prime Jason Kidd on this Hornets team still wouldn't make them better. They'd be worse in my opinion. Chris Paul's offense is so far ahead of anything Kidd has ever given you.
For the record, Jason Kidd really hasn't made ANY of the Mavs players better. Terry, Damp, Howard, etc... aren't any better then the first couple months of the season. Dirk started off poorly and has been getting better every month of the season so far.[/QUOTE]
how can you say that and then use stats from this year to back it up? kidd is 35, paul is 22. enough said, jason kidd is a legend. its too bad we live in such a what have you done for me lately world
[QUOTE=DuMa]trash talk on the court = [B]bueno[/B]
trash talk off the court = [B]no bueno[/B].
and the first game of the series is all about intimidation. that was the word of the weekend. everyone was trying to intimidate the other team.[/QUOTE]
On this board we speak english, not your made up language.
[QUOTE=sulsuvtut27]On this board we speak english, not your made up language.[/QUOTE]
It's not exactly a made up language, just not English.
[QUOTE=LuCKy_JuNiOr]It's not exactly a made up language, just not English.[/QUOTE]
well what language is it??? Canada??
Just had a blast watching CP3 tonight.
and I'll say it again....
He is playing at the highest level for a point guard since Magic Johnson.
Don't care if some of you aren't on the boat yet...
You will be.
[QUOTE=sulsuvtut27]well what language is it??? Canada??[/QUOTE]
Didn't know Canada was a language? Last time I checked most of them spoke French or English? Bueno is actually Spanish, it means good, thought someone who follows someone named Lopez would know that.
[QUOTE=_KP_The_Familia_]According to S.A.S. after burning Kidd on another basket, Paul was beating his chest and kept yelling out "He can't guard me!". Is this disrespectful to a future hall of famer, or just the passing of the guards from the big older point guard to the super-quick swagged out baby-faced gangster. It was kind of sad watching Kidd tryna chase down Paul the entire game, and if Game 1 was any indication, Kidd is gonna be made looked really bad the rest of the series.[/QUOTE]
Imagine Kobe saying that with his ridicolous shooting percentage. At least Paul is hitting 60% of his shots, dishing out 15+ assists, and actually makes "He can't guard me!" FACT!
[QUOTE=c_az_a]Imagine Kobe saying that with his ridicolous shooting percentage. At least Paul is hitting 60% of his shots, dishing out 15+ assists, and actually makes "He can't guard me!" FACT![/QUOTE]
Took the words right out of my mouth, he was unbelievable tonight as well.
[QUOTE=c_az_a]Imagine Kobe saying that with his ridicolous shooting percentage. At least Paul is hitting 60% of his shots, dishing out 15+ assists, and actually makes "He can't guard me!" FACT![/QUOTE]
Kidd is officially old and officially OWNED!
[QUOTE=c_az_a]Imagine Kobe saying that with his ridicolous shooting percentage. At least Paul is hitting 60% of his shots, dishing out 15+ assists, and actually makes "He can't guard me!" FACT![/QUOTE]
true:oldlol:
[QUOTE=c_az_a]Imagine Kobe saying that with his ridicolous shooting percentage. At least Paul is hitting 60% of his shots, dishing out 15+ assists, and actually makes "He can't guard me!" FACT![/QUOTE]
R.I.P [IMG]http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/frown.gif[/IMG]
just wishing you condolences before the Kobe nut riders come and tear you apart for 'hating' :(
[QUOTE=dafunkphenom]Kidd is officially old and officially OWNED![/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
Even if he wasn't old he would still be getting his a$$ handed to him by CP3.
[QUOTE=Spudjjay]:oldlol:
Even if he wasn't old he would still be getting his a$$ handed to him by CP3.[/QUOTE]
It makes people feel better if they have an excuse, other than the truth.
[QUOTE=BIZARRO]Just had a blast watching CP3 tonight.
and I'll say it again....
He is playing at the highest level for a point guard since Magic Johnson.
Don't care if some of you aren't on the boat yet...
You will be.[/QUOTE]
on second thought, I am getting more and more impressed every game I've seen him play this season, which really hasn't been very many games to be honest.
If he keeps this play up through next season then maybe we can call him the best peak PG since Magic. Until then I think its just too early IMO. :ohwell:
He's better than Nash prime and that's a tough thing for me to say. Although I still think Nash is the second best PG in the league.
[QUOTE=dafunkphenom]He's better than Nash prime and that's a tough thing for me to say. Although I still think Nash is the second best PG in the league.[/QUOTE]
He will win his share of MVP's as well, it's only what? His second year?
What Chris Paul has done this year truly is amazing. Where does he rank with the other Great PGs?
I'd say he is better than Nash, Kidd, or Stockton have ever been. However, I'd say he is not better than GP or KJ. Close and could go either way, but I'd give the edges to GP and KJ. KJ was very similar to CP3 in the things he did. Both PGs could score efficiently and spread the ball around.
I heard someone say that KJ couldn't do what CP3 has done this year and that is incorrect. Kevin Johnson led his Suns to not 1, but two 55+ win seasons without Barkley. He did that putting up similar to or better numbers than Chris Paul as well.
I'd say both KJ and CP3 are pretty close. Both can score well, and pass well. Both are solid defenders too. However, KJ scored more efficiently. Compare their season numbers in their most important statistics:
[B]C.Paul
21.1ppg
11.6apg
48.8% FG
K.Johnson
22.5ppg
11.4apg
49.9% FG
[/B]
As you can see, it's very close, but KJ has the edge. Truth is KJ has been doing what CP3 has done this year for 4 years of his peak.
Not to mention Kevin Johnson that year in 1990 took his team to the WCF.
So I wouldn't put CP3 over Kevin Johnson yet. Though I'd put him over Stockton, Kidd, or Nash at their peaks.
[QUOTE=mjbulls23]on second thought, I am getting more and more impressed every game I've seen him play this season, which really hasn't been very many games to be honest.
If he keeps this play up through next season then maybe we can call him the best peak PG since Magic. Until then I think its just too early IMO. :ohwell:[/QUOTE]
I can see your reasoning bro, but I just look at it differently. :cheers:
I mean, if a guy is playing at a certain level, I don't need to see a season or two more. My point is that he is AT that level.
He may fall off next year, or the year after, or next series etc.. But now IMO he is playing CURRENTLY at a level I haven't seen since the great Magic Johnson.
[QUOTE=Glove_20]What Chris Paul has done this year truly is amazing. Where does he rank with the other Great PGs?
I'd say he is better than Nash, Kidd, or Stockton have ever been. However, I'd say he is not better than GP or KJ. Close and could go either way, but I'd give the edges to GP and KJ. KJ was very similar to CP3 in the things he did. Both PGs could score efficiently and spread the ball around.
I heard someone say that KJ couldn't do what CP3 has done this year and that is incorrect. Kevin Johnson led his Suns to not 1, but two 55+ win seasons without Barkley. He did that putting up similar to or better numbers than Chris Paul as well.
I'd say both KJ and CP3 are pretty close. Both can score well, and pass well. Both are solid defenders too. However, KJ scored more efficiently. Compare their season numbers in their most important statistics:
[B]C.Paul
21.1ppg
11.6apg
48.8% FG
K.Johnson
22.5ppg
11.4apg
49.9% FG
[/B]
As you can see, it's very close, but KJ has the edge. Truth is KJ has been doing what CP3 has done this year for 4 years of his peak.
Not to mention Kevin Johnson that year in 1990 took his team to the WCF.
So I wouldn't put CP3 over Kevin Johnson yet. Though I'd put him over Stockton, Kidd, or Nash at their peaks.[/QUOTE]
Wait a minute. Even taking KJ's BEST year, which you did, you neglected to point out that...
[B]CP3- 2.71 SPG
KJ in that year- 1.28 SPG
CP3 - 2.51 TO
KJ in that year- 3.55 TO
[/B]
I mean the numbers you posted were close, but THESE numbers are DRASTICALLY different in CP3's favor.
CP3 SPG/TO is over 1/1 where KJ's is almost 1 to 3; a HUUUGE difference.
CP3 is just CRAZY efficient.
KJ was good, don't get me wrong, but if you watched these last two games, and this season as a whole, CP3 is playing at a level never touched by KJ.
The Hornets would not IMO have won 55 games in this Western Conference with KJ. Flat out.
[QUOTE=BIZARRO]Wait a minute. Even taking KJ's BEST year, which you did, you neglected to point out that...
[B]CP3- 2.71 SPG
KJ in that year- 1.28 SPG
CP3 - 2.51 TO
KJ in that year- 3.55 TO
[/B]
I mean the numbers you posted were close, but THESE numbers are DRASTICALLY different in CP3's favor.
CP3 SPG/TO is over 1/1 where KJ's is almost 1 to 3; a HUUUGE difference.
CP3 is just CRAZY efficient.
KJ was good, don't get me wrong, but if you watched these last two games, and this season as a whole, CP3 is playing at a level never touched by KJ.
The Hornets would not IMO have won 55 games in this Western Conference with KJ. Flat out.[/QUOTE]
Well I took "One of" KJ's best seasons. You could make an argument for some other seasons being KJ's best.
Let me throw another one at you:
22.2ppg
10.1apg
51.6% FG
2.1spg
And this is actually the only year in history where someone got 20/10/50%/2spg.
Paul had a higher Assist to TO ratio, while KJ had a higher FG%. Steals don't tell the whole story on defense, and their steals are still close. I'd give KJ the edge on defense, but it could go either way. Statistically KJ was a better scorer, while Paul a better passer. KJ averaged more points and had a higher FG% by nearly 3% while Paul got one more assist and had a higher Assist to TO Ratio.
And let's remember what kind of team KJ took. Similar to Paul's situation actually.
Kevin Johnson took a lottery 28 win Sun's team to the WCF the following year in his 1st full year in Phoenix. So Kevin Johnson also made quite a winning impact.
The big difference is those KJ teams were much faster paced. Also he never shot 3's.
[QUOTE=BIZARRO]I can see your reasoning bro, but I just look at it differently. :cheers:
I mean, if a guy is playing at a certain level, I don't need to see a season or two more. My point is that he is AT that level.
He may fall off next year, or the year after, or next series etc.. But now IMO he is playing CURRENTLY at a level I haven't seen since the great Magic Johnson.[/QUOTE]
:cheers:
CP3 is filthy. Deron who? Deron huh?
[QUOTE=yobore]The big difference is those KJ teams were much faster paced. Also he never shot 3's.[/QUOTE]
That is true, however the player who was able to generate such a pace was Kevin Johnson.
3 pointers weren't used as much back in the day, if they were though you could expect KJ to get a little more points as well.
[QUOTE=GOBB]CP3 is filthy. Deron who? Deron huh?[/QUOTE]
If they matchup, CP3 will get the best of him in in this years playoffs! Book it!
lol@not being better than KJ and GP. Typical.
[QUOTE=GOBB]lol@not being better than KJ and GP. Typical.[/QUOTE]
Whats wrong? He's not better than either KJ or GP.
[QUOTE=Glove_20]Whats wrong? He's not better than either KJ or GP.[/QUOTE]
Only in your head. :roll:
[QUOTE=DuMa]trash talk on the court = bueno
[B]trash talk off the court = no bueno.
[/B]
and the first game of the series is all about intimidation. that was the word of the weekend. everyone was trying to intimidate the other team.[/QUOTE]
DeShawn Stevenson. :rockon:
[QUOTE=grimreaper1377]DeShawn Stevenson. :rockon:[/QUOTE]
You mean Deshawn "The new living legend" Stevenson.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Only in your head. :roll:[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
My head best represents reality
But you are one of the posters who more just says things. I am a poster who more backs up myself with arguments, and reasonably chooses the side that has stronger arguments.
[QUOTE=Glove_20]:rolleyes:
My head best represents reality
But you are one of the posters who more just says things. I am a poster who more backs up myself with arguments, and reasonably chooses the side that has stronger arguments.[/QUOTE]
You're biased and all you care about is GP/KJ when it comes to comparisons. You value and rate them (KJ really) so much its hilarious. GP is a stud, so we'll leave him out the equation but your love affair with KJ is comedy. But believe what you want. :pimp:
[COLOR=Teal][B]Factoring in 3PT and FT%, CP3 is more efficient a scorer (at age what 22?) than KJ ever was. Reality.
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[QUOTE=yobore]The big difference is those KJ teams were much faster paced. Also he never shot 3's.[/QUOTE]
cp3 barley takes 4s either.kj stats are very similar to cp3 so they both made an impact.
[QUOTE=GOBB]You're biased and all you care about is GP/KJ when it comes to comparisons. You value and rate them (KJ really) so much its hilarious. GP is a stud, so we'll leave him out the equation but your love affair with KJ is comedy. But believe what you want. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
GOBB, do you just "say" these things? Or can you actually back these things up?
Ask yourself one thing, if KJ isn't that good, then why can't I argue against KJ arguments? And strong KJ arguments from someone like GMAT.
Why is that? Why is that in any debate between KJ vs. ____ that is reasonable, (CP3, AI, Kidd, Nash, all reasonable), you would lose. I've seen plenty of times GMAT's posts driving you away.
Now before you change the subject and say something about me and GMAT, I want to focus you back to the main question. Why can't you ARGUE KJ isn't as good as he is.
To me honestly, if you can't argue something, and just believe it, then it's just in your head and you're in self denial. :confusedshrug:
It's happened to me before, and I change my opinion (Away from GP plenty of times).
[B]
So bottom line. If KJ isn't as good as I say he is, then why can't you argue that?[/B]
[QUOTE=sbw19][COLOR=Teal][B]Factoring in 3PT and FT%, CP3 is more efficient a scorer (at age what 22?) than KJ ever was. Reality.
[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Well first of all nobody took 3 pointers in the late 80s to early 90s. So you can't blame KJ for that. Back in the later parts of the 90s when 3s were starting to be taken, KJ shot over 40% regularly.
2nd of all KJ actually has a higher FT% careerwise than Paul, and got to the line much more often.
Not to mention the fact that KJ's FG% has always been higher than Paul's during KJ's peak.
So don't know where you got that? And to finish it off KJ also had a higher ppg.
What were you saying again? KJ scores more, higher FG%, and higher FT%, and hit a higher % of his 3s when he took them regularly like the rest of the league.
Did you have an argument? :oldlol:
[quote=GOBB][COLOR=Gray][B]You're biased and all you care about is GP/KJ when it comes to comparisons. You value and rate them (KJ really) so much its hilarious. GP is a stud, so we'll leave him out the equation but your love affair with KJ is comedy. But believe what you want.[/B][/COLOR] :pimp:[/quote]
[COLOR=Teal][B]I don't believe he can realize CP3 has had better two first playoff games than both of these guys and definitely has the potential of eclipsing both when all is said and done.[/B][/COLOR]