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[QUOTE=jlauber]And no way anyone can have a vertical of over 50" either, right? And, obviously, 60" would be a physical impossibility.[/QUOTE]
Randy Moss had a 50 inch vertical; I'm pretty sure somebody can jump higher then he did in his younger days. Or perhaps you're being sarcastic?
[QUOTE=MasterDurant24]Randy Moss had a 50 inch vertical; I'm pretty sure somebody can jump higher then he did in his younger days. Or perhaps you're being sarcastic?[/QUOTE]
Well, from what I have read, the world record is 61". If someone can jump that high, why is implausible for a 7-1 high jump champ to have reached 48"?
[QUOTE=MasterDurant24]Randy Moss had a 50 inch vertical; I'm pretty sure somebody can jump higher then he did in his younger days. Or perhaps you're being sarcastic?[/QUOTE]
Randy Moss vertical leap is with a couple steps up, his standing was 39inch
* New York Jets rookie Darrelle Revis has a 38-inch vertical jump this year (NY Times, Oct 2007).
* Randy Moss has a vertical leap score of 51" (130 cm), while 265 lbs Jevon Kearse has a best jump of 40" (102 cm).
[I]* The best vertical jump at the NFL Combine is 46" by Gerald Sensabaugh (FS), from North Carolina in 2005 (more NFL combine results).
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[QUOTE=jlauber]Well, from what I have read, the world record is 61". If someone can jump that high, why is implausible for a 7-1 high jump champ to have reached 48"?[/QUOTE]
Name a 7 footer who has even jumped 42 inches. But s***, maybe it is possible. I just would be suprised if it was.
[QUOTE=Calabis]Randy Moss vertical leap is with a couple steps up, his standing was 39inch
* New York Jets rookie Darrelle Revis has a 38-inch vertical jump this year (NY Times, Oct 2007).
* Randy Moss has a vertical leap score of 51" (130 cm), while 265 lbs Jevon Kearse has a best jump of 40" (102 cm).
[I]* The best vertical jump at the NFL Combine is 46" by Gerald Sensabaugh (FS), from North Carolina in 2005 (more NFL combine results).
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Hmm, didn't know that.
Sorry, but every time I'm hearing numbers like 61 inches, the only thing I think of is the technique box jumping. I've heard 56 about Kadour Ziani, and this would mean that his head should be 6 inches above the rim, which I've never seen him doing.
The highest I've seen anyone jump is Michael Wilson in his 12-foot dunk. AFAIR, his whole palm was above the 12-foot rim, which may mean that he had jumped about 50-52 inches. Too bad there are not many good films of him.
[QUOTE=Psileas]Sorry, but every time I'm hearing numbers like 61 inches, the only thing I think of is the technique box jumping. I've heard 56 about Kadour Ziani, and this would mean that his head should be 6 inches above the rim, which I've never seen him doing.
The highest I've seen anyone jump is Michael Wilson in his 12-foot dunk. AFAIR, his whole palm was above the 12-foot rim, which may mean that he had jumped about 50-52 inches. Too bad there are not many good films of him.[/QUOTE]
Obviously we don't KNOW what Chamberlain was actually capable of. And for those that point out that they have never seen footage of a spectacular dunk or block by Wilt, which would demonstrate a 42"+ leap...of course, we have only seen a relatively small sample of what he accomplished.
Still, aside from the ridiculous OP, in which was inaccurate to begin with, we have several, if not many, accounts of amazing leaps by Wilt. Sonny Hill, who is truly a very respected sports figure, stated that he witnessed Chamberlain touching the top of the backboard. Well, that is KNOWN to be 13 ft. George Kisida, a well-known sports writer who covered Wilt, stated that he measured a leap in a hospital that he measured at at least 42". There have been accounts of Wilt dunking on a 12 ft. rim that mysteriously arose DURING Chamberlain's stay at Kansas.
I have read several books on, or by, Wilt, and in virtually all of them, there are usually several stories of an amazing leap. In one of them, in the early 60's, he made a block that the official called goal-tending. When Wilt's coach protested, the official told him, "what we both just witnessed was physically impossible." Another took place after he retired, and was coaching San Diego. During a practice, the ball got stuck high up in a guide-wire. One-by-one, the players attempted to knock the ball out, but none of them, including 6-11 "jumpin" Caldwell Jones, could reach it. Wilt showed up late, wearling a suit-and-tie, and asked them what was going on. When the players explained what was going on, Wilt took off his dress shoes, and easily tapped the ball down.
There is also a photo in Wilt's first book, which shows him playing volleyball, and in his 30's, and his waist is above the top of the net. I believe in Charley Rosen's book on the '72 Lakers (of which I either listened to, or watched EVERY game that season), he mentions Chick Hearn making the comment that he estimated that LA won over 80% of the center jumps that season (that was in the era when they jumped at the beginning of every quarter.)
There have been posted photos of Kareem and Gilmore, in their college careers, with their heads near rim level...and yet there is footage of Wilt outjumping both of them. Bill Russel hadworld-class high jumping ability, but he seldom outjumped Chamberlain. And speaking of high-jumping, Wilt won a conference title...however, with all of his track events and basketball practice, he could only devote a small portion of his time to that event. His technique was poor, and even his track coach believed that he was capable of close to seven-feet with proper training.
The bottom line, though, was that Wilt was the greatest rebounder, and shot-blocker that the NBA has ever seen. Clearly, his athletic ability was the major factor. He won ELEVEN NBA rebound titles, which is EIGHT more than all of the other 7-0+ players in NBA history...COMBINED (Kareem with ONE, and Motumbo with TWO.) Gilmore won three in the ABA, but even his numbers would not have won in the NBA during those years. And of course, Olajuwon was nowhere near 7-0. In any case, Chamberlain was an amazing seven-footer with incredible athletic ability. Whether his vertical was 48", as he has claimed, or closer to the more realistic 42"...he was certainly jumping much higher than 24". AND, as I have long maintained...no other NBA player has ever reached the apex that Wilt did in his career.
[QUOTE=jlauber]And no way anyone can have a vertical of over 50" either, right? And, obviously, 60" would be a physical impossibility.[/QUOTE]
Anyone? How about Kadour Ziani..60 inch vertical
[QUOTE=no pun intended]Anyone? How about Kadour Ziani..60 inch vertical[/QUOTE]
I did mention that the record was 61" earlier.
As far as Wilt goes, my best guess, and at his peak...somewhere around 42".
Wilt's standing reach with TWO hands is 114", it means he can reach higher with ONE hand, to touch the top of the backboard which's 13ft=156" with BOTH hands, he needs 42" vertical, if he did it with ONE hand, he needs less than 42" vert, with help of running, much less... say around 35" vertical or less.
There4, Wilt only needs around 35" vert to touch the top of the backboard, think about a younger and vertical peak Wilt with only 250lbs, sounds logical to me.
[QUOTE=no pun intended]Anyone? How about Kadour Ziani..60 inch vertical[/QUOTE]
That would mean that his whole head should be above the rim. I haven't ever seen any film of him doing so. Actually, I can only remember 1 play when his head seems to go above rim, and even this instant was following a two-hand dunk and was taken by a camera placed at a position notoriously bad at showing correct elevation.
[QUOTE] Wilt's standing reach with TWO hands is 114", it means he can reach higher with ONE hand, to touch the top of the backboard which's 13ft=156" with BOTH hands, he needs 42" vertical, if he did it with ONE hand, he needs less than 42" vert, with help of running, much less... say around 35" vertical or less.
There4, Wilt only needs around 35" vert to touch the top of the backboard, think about a younger and vertical peak Wilt with only 250lbs, sounds logical to me.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, this would mean that Wilt could touch the rim without jumping and the only way he would be able to do it would be to stand on his tiptoes. This means that he'd need to jump 35 inches above his extended tiptoes, which I don't buy. It's no different than a 42-inch true vertical leap.
Thanks for clearing that up
[QUOTE=no pun intended]Anyone? How about Kadour Ziani..60 inch vertical[/QUOTE]
People this is not a stand still vertical......a vertical leap is what they do in the combine.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY295ezIH0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY295ezIH0[/URL]
NBA does one standing vertical leap, then a maximum vertical leap(with a run-up)...no way is Kadour standing still and getting up 60 inches, basically when he ran and jumped his ass would be up by the rim, because he would be getting off the ground anywhere from 6-10 inches more
[URL="http://www.nbadraft.net/node/6301"]http://www.nbadraft.net/node/6301[/URL]
[quote]24 inches is quite likely for his [B]standing[/B] vertical, but if we include running I'd estimate about 29-32 inches, which is still excellent for a man his height.[/quote]
In other words, Chamberlain had an inferior standing vertical [B]AND[/B] maximum vertical to the likes of Andrew Bogut (27.5 standing/33.5 max) as well as Yi Jianlian (33 standing/38 max).
An inferior standing vertical to Yao Ming (26 standing).
And of course his vertical was nearly 10 inches (or even more) inferior to Andrew Bynum's (33 standing/37 1-step/Max???). It turns out that Chamberlain did not differ much from Shawn Bradley as a leaper (22 standing/27 max). :facepalm
On the rise or descent?
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[QUOTE=PHILA]In other words, Chamberlain had an inferior standing vertical [B]AND[/B] maximum vertical to the likes of Andrew Bogut (27.5 standing/33.5 max) as well as Yi Jianlian (33 standing/38 max).
An inferior standing vertical to Yao Ming (26 standing).
And of course his vertical was nearly 10 inches (or even more) inferior to Andrew Bynum's (33 standing/37 1-step/Max???). [B]It turns out that Chamberlain did not differ much from Shawn Bradley as a leaper (22 standing/27 max)[/B]. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
:facepalm :facepalm
:cheers: :cheers:
[QUOTE=Psileas]
Sorry, this would mean that Wilt could touch the rim without jumping and the only way he would be able to do it would be to stand on his tiptoes. This means that he'd need to jump 35 inches above his extended tiptoes, which I don't buy. It's no different than a 42-inch true vertical leap.[/QUOTE]
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is this photo fake? or just in an angle favors Wilt's reaching length.. he almost can reach the ring
^^ His standing reach was 9'7.
Even as a 6'11 schoolboy he was not far off.
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Abe,
Since we don't have VIDEO footage of almost everything Wilt accomplished, it was all a big lie perpetrated by the many friends that Wilt had. He was actually on about 6-5, 175 lbs, and he had a 24" vertical...and in fact, he could not dunk...not even on an 8 ft rim. His high scoring game was actually 10 points, but the scorekeeper accidently had another zero at the end of it. The rest was history.
[QUOTE=PHILA]^^ His standing reach was 9'7.
Even as a 6'11 schoolboy he was not far off.
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Damn, his arms are almost as long as my ****.
[quote=jlauber]Abe,
Since we don't have VIDEO footage of almost everything Wilt accomplished, it was all a big lie perpetrated by the many friends that Wilt had. He was actually on about 6-5, 175 lbs, and he had a 24" vertical...and in fact, he could not dunk...not even on an 8 ft rim. His high scoring game was actually 10 points, but the scorekeeper accidently had another zero at the end of it. The rest was history.[/quote]
[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/2002-11-11-bryant-cover_x.htm"]USA Today - Nov 11, 2002[/URL]
Indeed, who would believe that a 6'5 200 lb shooting guard named after a steak could once press 300 lbs. That being the same amount of weight that his 7'1 285 lb current starting center mate could press during his ever so short 'peak'. The same man who some here had the audacity to not only declare talented on an all time level (as well as superior to D. Howard), but believed he would give Chamberlain any sort of difficulty at all in the pivot. Some have even declared in the past years on the board players like Francisco Elson would dominate the 60's.
As there is no video footage, I will not believe the testimonies that Jerry West was able to touch the top of the square on the backboard (11'6 height), nor will I believe that decades later a 17 year old Kobe Bryant was able to do the same from a standstill jump during a workout.
[QUOTE=PHILA][URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/2002-11-11-bryant-cover_x.htm"]USA Today - Nov 11, 2002[/URL]
Indeed, who would believe that a 6'5 200 lb shooting guard named after a steak could once press 300 lbs. That being the same amount of weight that his 7'1 285 lb current starting center mate could press during his ever so short 'peak'. The same man who some here had the audacity to not only declare talented on an all time level (as well as superior to D. Howard), but believed he would give Chamberlain any sort of difficulty at all in the pivot. Some have even declared in the past years on the board players like Francisco Elson would dominate the 60's.
As there is no video footage, I will not believe the testimonies that Jerry West was able to touch the top of the square on the backboard (11'6 height), nor will I believe that decades later a 17 year old Kobe Bryant was able to do the same from a standstill jump during a workout.[/QUOTE]
Just curious...do we have any VIDEO footage of Shaq's bench press max? This article claims he could only bench 300 lbs.
[QUOTE=jlauber]Just curious...do we have any VIDEO footage of Shaq's bench press max? This article claims he could only bench 300 lbs.[/QUOTE]
7'1" 285 suggests the center who benched 300 was Andrew Bynum.
Shaq reportedly could bench 465, though I won't claim that's accurate either, but not that hard to believe.
[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]7'1" 285 suggests the center who benched 300 was Andrew Bynum.
Shaq reportedly could bench 465, though I won't claim that's accurate either, but not that hard to believe.[/QUOTE]
it was written in 2002. Not hard to believe, though, huh?
Meanwhile, just google Wilt's bench-press. Let me know the numbers.
[QUOTE=jlauber]it was written in 2002. Not hard to believe, though, huh?[/QUOTE]
The article didn't mention a 7'1", 285 pound center benching 300 those were Abe's words, the article mentioned Kobe benching 300, click on the link. And no article in 2002 would have Shaq at 285 pounds. :oldlol: Shaq was more like 380 then.
Go ahead and google Wilt's bench press...
and yes, there are eye-witness accounts. BUT, even beyond that...where did ALL of these 500-550 lb numbers come from? One man started ALL of that??? You are being RIDICULOUS if you believe that.
The only doubters are the one's who never witnessed anything Wilt did. They are nerds that say it is physically impossible. Much like almost everything Wilt did...impossible...even though they existed.
[QUOTE=jlauber]Just curious...do we have any VIDEO footage of Shaq's bench press max? [/QUOTE]
good point.. there's no hard evidence to show that Shaq could bench press 465lbs, so, it doesn't exist, just another lie like Wilt could bench 465 in 62':oldlol:
[QUOTE=alexandreben]good point.. there's no hard evidence to show that Shaq could bench press 465lbs, so, it doesn't exist, just another lie like Wilt could bench 465 in 62':oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Uhhh, when did I ever say Shaq could bench press 465? I said it was reported and I said it was plausible. the man was 340-380 and threw around guys like Mutombo, Sabonis ect. like they were kids and Shaq did lift weights a lot in fact a quote from him in response to his weight was "I'm not concerned about the number, the more I lift weights, the higher the number is going to be". In fact, he lifted a lot of weights prior to the 1999-2000 season to get stronger.
Again, I won't claim Shaq can bench press 465 because for all we know he could be exaggerating, but it's not hard to believe considering his size and the strength we saw him display over the course of his 18 year NBA career.
[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Uhhh, when did I ever say Shaq could bench press 465? I said it was reported and I said it was plausible. the man was 340-380 and threw around guys like Mutombo, Sabonis ect. like they were kids and Shaq did lift weights a lot in fact a quote from him in response to his weight was "I'm not concerned about the number, the more I lift weights, the higher the number is going to be". In fact, he lifted a lot of weights prior to the 1999-2000 season to get stronger.
Again, I won't claim Shaq can bench press 465 because for all we know he could be exaggerating, but it's not hard to believe considering his size and the strength we saw him display over the course of his 18 year NBA career.[/QUOTE]
To be honest...the highest that I read was 440 lbs. Not bad, and totally believeable. BUT, Wilt was considered among the strongest men in the world in the 60's. His reported bench-press of around 500 lbs was only about 125 off the world record at the time. And BTW, the entire Steeler O-Line, and with the help of steroids, were capable of 500 lb bench presses in the early 70's...and I don't ever recall any of them being compared to Chamberlain.
Who cares... look at the ****ing numbers he put up!
I don't know why people are bumping all these old ass threads today, but anyway...
I have a really, really, extremely hard time believing Wilt could bench even 400 lbs, let alone 465 or 500. There are always some nebulous "witnesses" that saw him do it, but common sense says he was probably never anywhere near that.
I've lifted weights for a long time, and while some people are clearly significantly stronger/weaker than they look, you can pretty much always get a general idea of someone's strength by looking at them. I've seen roughly 6 or 7 guys bench 400+ unequiped (and all lifted just slightly over 400) and every single one was massive with huge arms. One of them is a former Mr. America. To think that a 7+ foot guy with a relatively skinny frame could do it just seems absurd. The world record in 1967 was 615 lbs. In 1953 the record was 500 lbs. These are guys that train exclusively for lifting massive weights for very low reps, and are genetic freaks and naturally very big/strong guys with stocky builds. The idea that a lanky 7'2" guy who trains for basketball could put up those numbers is just stupid in my opinion.
Ryan Kennelly holds the current world record and he's 6'2", massive, and is a stocky guy with short arms. At 6'2" he's one of the tallest competitive power lifters. Tall guys struggle with pushing movements especially. The unequiped world record to this day, undoubtedly with steroids and exponentially more competition and better training and nutrition, is only 715 lbs if I remember correctly. I can believe some of Wilt's track claims, and they have a lot more evidence, but Wilt benching 465 at 59? ***** please. Power lifters generally peak around 40 years old. It's unlikely even an elite power lifter could put up 465 at that age even if they continued to train rigorously.
The guy was obviously a great athlete and a freak of nature, but some of these claims are absurd. Funny how these type of claims are never backed up in the age of youtube and video cameras. I don't see anyone turning water into wine, parting seas, or walking on water (unless it's frozen) in the modern age. I also don't see any lanky 7 footers with lanky builds putting up huge numbers on bench press, let alone at 60 years old. Strange, isn't it?
Does anyone really believe that this guy, at his peak, training specifically for power lifting, at 5'9" 300 lbs, couldn't lift more than a 59 year old Wilt Chamberlain?
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Please...
[QUOTE=mayorhoiberg]On the forums page, when this is the last updated topic, it says
"Wilt Chamberlain: 24 Inch...."
It does not say vertical. And that is not the first word that came to mind before I entered into the NBA forum.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Seriously though Chamberlain was extremely strong and I highly doubt he had a 24 inch vertical. Shaq weighs like 300 pounds and can jump higher than that. Also Chamberlain's numbers were spectacular, 37ppg as a rookie, 50ppg in a season, 100 point game, 55 rebounds in a game, 27.2 rbpg in a season, 72% fg in a season and many many more records. I do understand that he was from a completely different era than than Jordan's era and onwards but still, if Jordan, Kobe or Shaq were in Wilt's era, they would only see slightly better results imo. Chamberlain imo is the best player of all time tied with Kareem. A bit hard to decide because Kareem had his deadly skyhook, 38.2k points, 6 MVP titles, 3rd in total rebounds with 17.4k, had a MUCH better free throw and had more blocks. Also nobody post Jordan is the best because I'm so damn tired of Jordan being the most overrated player in history. Go ask a random who is the best player in NBA history, I bet they'll say Jordan without knowing the names Kareem,Wilt,Russell,Bird,Magic Johnson or Malone.
[QUOTE=Avon Barksdale]Does anyone really believe that this guy, at his peak, training specifically for power lifting, at 5'9" 300 lbs, couldn't lift more than a 59 year old Wilt Chamberlain?
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:no:
[QUOTE]Earl Boykins bench press is 315lbs! This weeks spotlight is on Earl Boykins bench press. Earl Boykins has a huge bench press for his weight. At a tiny 133lbs.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Chalkmaze]:no:[/QUOTE]
Ok...so maybe that's a more comparable picture...and he looks like Dwight Howard/Karl Malone/Kevin Willis/Alonzo Mourning/Ben Wallace/Shaq...after they fasted for 3 months.
To think that this guy could more or less equal elite, >6 foot contemporary power lifters that trained specifically for power lifting is ridiculous, let alone at 59 years old. 6'2" is really tall for a power lifter. 7'0"+ is comical.
He was a very strong guy, no doubt, but these bench press claims are stupid.
Then again, Wilt was a mountain of a man that could palm a medicine ball, walk on water, jump over the moon, wrestle mountain lions, dunk from the half court line, run a 3 second 100 m, sleep with 45 women a day, swim the English channel 8 times in a row, finish an entire keg in one keg stand, and shoot fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his ass*. :hammerhead:
*as long as no one is there to video tape it
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs[/url]
Wilt at the top on a vertical jump
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Saying he can jump 2 feet just shows the standards they had then...doesnt mean its all he could do. Half of ISH can jump 24 inches im sure. But half of ISH isnt getting up enough to be an NCAA highjump champ as a hobby or to long jump 22 feet as he has proven capable of.
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That is not a man with a 24 inch vertical.[/QUOTE]
bro he has his legs bent to his chest.
[QUOTE=Richesly]bro he has his legs bent to his chest.[/QUOTE]
put his legs down, looks like 2 feet.
[QUOTE=jernejtera]i laughed so hard on that one i almost felt of a chair. i didn't notice earlier that he sad that he's gay to himself
:roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Lol don't worry, he'll just never use that account again like every other high pitched squeaky voice teen on here that has 5 accounts but should have just realized they don't belong postin on ANY forum a long time ago.