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[QUOTE=Rasheed1]Biggie was a loud yelling battle rapper when he came out... His lyrics were nice but he wasnt polished at all and he didnt become polished until Puff worked with him and helped him carve a style that better fit his talent...
you can assume Biggie would have been big anyway if you want to, but that isnt what happened... Puff deserves credit for what he did...[/QUOTE]
That's ridiculous. Sure Puff deserves a little credit... but NOT as much as Biggie himself.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]That's ridiculous. Sure Puff deserves a little credit... but NOT as much as Biggie himself.[/QUOTE]
whats your point? that somehow Puff doesnt belong? he's the one who got Biggie to stop hustling and take this rap sh*t serious... Puff and biggie together created a formula for alot of groups that followed in the future...
Rappers wasnt talking about poppin crystal and being a don king of new york type before these 2.. Biggie and puff were a team and you cant really slight puff when giving Biggie credit..
puff was the one who had biggie doing joints like 'one more chance' and 'juicy'.. a rapper like biggie blowing with those type songs is a big part of the reason people had so much respect for him...
I just think its silly to try and say puffy didnt have big hand in developing biggie to become what he did....
biggie's talent was always there..Im a big biggie fan.. but Puff helped him mold into the goat rapper he became ... you can even hear the difference in the songs on ready to die.... some songs like 'gimme the loot' he was yellin and real giving off the regular MC vibe at that time... but on other songs throughout the album you could hear his delivery changing... he even talked about puff influence on him his self..
nobody is saying he deserves more credit for big's talent than big... but to anyone who remembers, puff did alot more work than just biggie
diddy got nice shades, sprinkles a few good lines here and there, then goes off to sell suits or cologne
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ahaha jk trollin :pimp:
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Since 1991. He had a hand in Jodeci and bringing Mary J to Uptown Records (who he was a record exec for.) Did lots of stuff with Heavy D and other Uptown Artist in the early 90s.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about listeners. He seemed to be in the background for a while and then later came out in the forefront later on.
[QUOTE=Jackass18]I'm talking about listeners. He seemed to be in the background for a while and then later came out in the forefront later on.[/QUOTE]
He was in a video or two.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxNuIacK5mY"]HEavy D with Sean "Pufy" Combs, Flava Flav and 2Pac[/URL]
From my favorite show In Living Color in 1992.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]No order ...
-Russell Simmons
-Run-DMC
-NWA (Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E)
-The Fresh Prince/Will Smith
-Queen Latifah
-Tupac Shakur
-Puff Daddy
-Master P
-Jay-Z
-James Brown and George Clinton
Anyone agree?[/QUOTE]
Lauryn hill and MC Lyte impacted the game more than Queen Latifah did IMO
[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]Lauryn hill and MC Lyte impacted the game more than Queen Latifah did IMO[/QUOTE]
^You gotta good point with MC Lyte...
10% dis?
paper thin?
:applause: MC Lyte was the sh*t back in the day... She was a little bulldykish, but she dropped some gems early on when females wasnt known to come thru like that
Always amazes me how overrated biggie smawlz is
[B][COLOR="Navy"]Roxanne original popular female rapper, Salt n Peppa made female rappers world famous, MC Lyte lyrics and delivery. As I mentioned before.... ugh!
Lauren Hill changed the game and will forever be a legend for the time she was here but influential changing the game I dont think she did.
Anyways, Puffy made Biggie. Biggie was good full of potential but that first album was produced mostly by Mr. C who brought him out but Puffy gave you the finished product (doing all the remixes people have come to know and love). In regards to PDiddy, he has been in the game for a long time as a dancer then talent scout which was later to be A & R. His craft was honed under Dr. Jekyll most of you all dont know who he is. Most of the artist you all are attributing to PDiddy were not his but under Uptown Records before PDiddy took a prominent role.
I do agree PDiddy changed the game with the help of Biggie by making glam hip hop popular. The heavy spending glitz and glamour in the excessive manner PDiddy did that.
I think NWA (which obviously would include Dre Ice Cube etc...) and Ice T should go hand in hand with gangsta rap...
Too Short one the greatest selling artist without publicity and nasty lyrics ever...[/COLOR][/B]
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]He was in a video or two.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxNuIacK5mY"]HEavy D with Sean "Pufy" Combs, Flava Flav and 2Pac[/URL]
From my favorite show In Living Color in 1992.[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]On a side note before I moved to Japan 6 years ago I found some cross color clothes I owned and unfortunately threw them away.:hammerhead:
Actually I became a house dancer mostly by the time this came out... But I was still a hip hop DJ then
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNEgUPKxk7A&ob=av3n[/url]
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[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]No order ...
-Russell Simmons
-Run-DMC
-NWA (Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E)
-The Fresh Prince/Will Smith
-Queen Latifah
-Tupac Shakur
-Puff Daddy
-Master P
-Jay-Z
-James Brown and George Clinton
Anyone agree?[/QUOTE]
You forgot Sylvia Robinson.
Kool Moe Dee should be on the list as he single-handedly ended the Busy Bee-style era of emceeing.