What is Kobe's legacy if he beats Miami's big 3 in the finals?

Top 5, and higher once he retires. He is already greater than Magic at this point imo.

[QUOTE=jlauber]We have debated this topic before, and I am not going to dig up EVERY argument in Kobe's favor. Kobe DOMINATED those Spurs-Lakers series...

but having said that, though...

you discount Kobe's dominance over Duncan in those 26 games...yet you point out several of Kobe's "failures" in his post-season career. The FACT is, Kobe has been one of the top-3 SCORERS in post-season HISTORY. AND, his SCORING goes WAY beyond those that argue his FG%. When he is basically the ONLY player that CAN score, as was the case in this past Celtic championship series, of course his FG% is going to be lower.

BTW, do you want me to look up ALL of the MANY post-season flops in Duncan's career? Hell, he had a miserable 10-27 game seven himself, and he had post-season series so bad, his team couldn't advance. So, PLEASE, no more of these ISOLATED shots at Kobe's career. By the time Kobe hangs it up, Duncan won't be in the conversation at all.[/QUOTE]


ok dude. the difference is that when duncan goes 10-27 he is also providing the best defense in the league. there is just a big gap in terms of impact in the game. and again......kobe has played with a ton more talent than duncan has.

so comparing team success is a joke. but go ahead. think what you want. i really don't care debating with someone that wants to use 26 games as an indication of a players' worth when they have both played well over 1 thousand games.

[QUOTE=New York Knicks]LOL. Are you telling me Kobe's impact on defense is equal to Gasol's? Tell me you're not THIS much of a Kobe homer.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm Where was Gasol's supposed all encompassing defense when Big Baby and KG were taking a shit all over the post defense in games 3-5? Gasol was very good on defending penetration in certain games, but let's not act like Gasol turned into Tim Duncan. I'm not going to single out any single defender in that Finals series because that's not how the games were played. They had to have good defense on all fronts, and that's what they got when they won: great defensive contributions from every player on the floor in a TEAM defensive scheme.

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]ok dude. the difference is that when duncan goes 10-27 he is also providing the best defense in the league. there is just a big gap in terms of impact in the game. and again......kobe has played with a ton more talent than duncan has.

so comparing team success is a joke. but go ahead. think what you want. i really don't care debating with someone that wants to use 26 games as an indication of a players' worth when they have both played well over 1 thousand games.[/QUOTE]

And of course, Kobe being all OVER the floor defensively in HIS game seven is discounted. How about rebounds in those game seven's BTW? Kobe had 15 CLUTCH rebounds, how about Duncan? 11.

So, once again, don't throw ISOLATED instances out there. Kobe has been a BRILLIANT playoff performer...and if ANYONE would know that it, it would be Duncan, Bowen, and the Spurs franchise.

Kobes legacy will be just the same as if he beat the Pacers in the finals... which means another championship.... somewhat increased legacy ofcourse, its as simple as that, this is a team accomplishment, a championship.

The only way Kobes legacy will be increased individualy is if he outperforms Lebron & Wade in the Finals.... which i highly doubt he will, at least not outperform Lebron, Lebron has outperformed Kobe more than vice versa playing against him... if they meet in the playoffs, Lebron will go on a berserker mode, he wont let that chanse slip away, he is much more hungrier than Kobe ever was for a championship and as you can see Lebron is willing to give up anything for that, his money, his home, his "the man" status and his fans... he wants to dismantle Kobe right here and right now... that is the last step he has to take before he officialy is undebatably the best player in the world right now if he dismantles the Lakers in the Finals.

[QUOTE=whatever666]Kobes legacy will be just the same as if he beat the Pacers in the finals... which means another championship.... somewhat increased legacy ofcourse, its as simple as that, this is a team accomplishment, a championship.

The only way Kobes legacy will be increased individualy is if he outperforms Lebron & Wade in the Finals.... which i highly doubt he will, at least not outperform Lebron, Lebron has outperformed Kobe more than vice versa playing against him... if they meet in the playoffs, Lebron will go on a berserker mode, he wont let that chanse slip away,[B] he is much more hungrier than Kobe ever was for a championship[/B].[/QUOTE]
That's why he quit right? Because he was hungrier?

[QUOTE=whatever666]Kobes legacy will be just the same as if he beat the Pacers in the finals... which means another championship.... somewhat increased legacy ofcourse, its as simple as that, this is a team accomplishment, a championship.

The only way Kobes legacy will be increased individualy is if he outperforms Lebron & Wade in the Finals.... which i highly doubt he will, at least not outperform Lebron, Lebron has outperformed Kobe more than vice versa playing against him... if they meet in the playoffs, Lebron will go on a berserker mode, he wont let that chanse slip away, he is much more hungrier than Kobe ever was for a championship.[/QUOTE]

Based on what? there aren't many who are more hungry thasn Kobe. Lebron certainly didn't look hungry in the playoffs last year when alot said he quit on his team.

[QUOTE=whatever666][B]Kobes legacy will be just the same as if he beat the Pacers in the finals...[/B] which means another championship.... somewhat increased legacy ofcourse, its as simple as that, this is a team accomplishment, a championship.

The only way Kobes legacy will be increased individualy is if he outperforms Lebron & Wade in the Finals.... which i highly doubt he will, at least not outperform Lebron, Lebron has outperformed Kobe more than vice versa playing against him... if they meet in the playoffs, Lebron will go on a berserker mode, he wont let that chanse slip away, he is much more hungrier than Kobe ever was for a championship and as you can see Lebron is willing to give up anything for that his money, his home, his stats and his fans...[/QUOTE]

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:facepalm These Kobe hatred never stop.

Anyway, if Kobe beats da big 3 he would easily and factually be a top 5 player no doubt. 3 finals MVP, and 6 titles.... Would move ahead of Duncan on high iq pals all time list.

The bottom line is that Kobe has been one of the GREATEST POST-SEASON players in NBA HISTORY. To find fault with some of his Finals performances is just being ridiculous. How many Final series do the Lakers make without Kobe DOMINATING the other playoff rounds.

His regular season stats are sensational, as well. And some of his regular season games have been among the greatest ever. How about an 81 point game.? Or a 62 point game (on 31 shots) in a game he leaves leading an ENTIRE TEAM after three quarters (an NBA Finals team BTW)? The fact is, he has been one of the greatest scorers in both the regular season, and in the post-season, in NBA history.

Another ring vaults him very close to top-5 status. And, as I have said before, barring injury, he has 4-5 seasons left. What are his stats and rings going to look like after that?

[QUOTE=jlauber]The bottom line is that Kobe has been one of the GREATEST POST-SEASON players in NBA HISTORY. To find fault with some of his Finals performances is just being ridiculous. How many Final series do the Lakers make without Kobe DOMINATING the other playoff rounds.

His regular season stats are sensational, as well. And some of his regular season games have been among the greatest ever. How about an 81 point game.? Or a 62 point game (on 31 shots) in a game he leaves leading an ENTIRE TEAM after three quarters (an NBA Finals team BTW)? The fact is, he has been one of the greatest scorers in both the regular season, and in the post-season, in NBA history.

Another ring vaults him very close to top-5 status. And, as I have said before, barring injury, he has 4-5 seasons left. What are his stats and rings going to look like after that?[/QUOTE]

YouTube search: Kobe Bryant Clutch Playoff Plays

1-hour, 10 minute, 7 part series with isolated segments for 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003-07, 2008, 2009, 2010.

Start the thread and drop the links. See brain particles on the pavement.

Cant paste the links on mobile.

[QUOTE=Bring-Your-Js]YouTube search: Kobe Bryant Clutch Playoff Plays

1-hour, 10 minute, 7 part series with isolated segments for 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003-07, 2008, 2009, 2010.

Start the thread and drop the links. See brain particles on the pavement.

Cant paste the links on mobile.[/QUOTE]

You don't have to convince me...I've seen almost every one of Kobe's BIG shots in the post-season.

I just get so sick-and-tired of those posters here who TRY to diminish his career because of a few games in his Finals career. Once again, without his BRILLIANT play in most of the post-season, the Lakers probably don't make it to four of those titles.

:facepalm
Kobe's legacy is dependent on how good a basketball player he is, not how much he wins. If he has another brilliant post-season and a epic Finals he'll move up, but if he wins will playing average or mediocre it won't matter. He'll still be top 10-15 All-Time, which is absolutely amazing considering he's only 31.
But he'll never surpass...
Wilt
Kareem
Shaq
Jordan

In all honesty, if he beats Miami this year he will end up as a top 5 player of all time. He is already top 10, and beating a mini Dream Team would put about as close to the top without getting quite to the top.

He will still be behind Jordan though.

[QUOTE=jlauber]You don't have to convince me...I've seen almost every one of Kobe's BIG shots in the post-season.

I just get so sick-and-tired of those posters here who TRY to diminish his career because of a few games in his Finals career. Once again, without his BRILLIANT play in most of the post-season, the Lakers probably don't make it to four of those titles.[/QUOTE]

Really though, it's the definitive ***** slap. It's hilariously Absurd.