Exposing the Fallacies of Science/Atheist-ism & Proving Intelligent Design!

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]False. John the Disciple saw things himself. Luke the Physician talked to many people healed by Jesus. Deny it if you want, jump through the loopholes, but it happened. People just don't rise from the dead in the Name of Jesus Christ and no other name on accident. That power is real.[/QUOTE]
Again stories written about people centuries after they are dead without any other form of documentation are proof of nothing. Period. The bible and every single thing in it has to be taken in faith. Faith is the oppisite of proof. The whole resurrection story was stolen for pagan mythology in order to convert them. There is only one original story form the bible, old test or new, the story of Moses. Even the stories of Eden, Noah, and even the adventures of Jesus himself, are rehashed tales of other relgions prior to rise of Judaism.

And where are these people who rise from the dead with no assistance from medical personel? Is there a wave of Zombies coming we need to know about? I have brought people back from clinical death as an EMT, so does this make me a mircle worker too?

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]They tested the age of the scrolls. They took scientific tests on the ages of the papyrus. Those are accurate dates.[/QUOTE]
what scrolls are you talking about? The dead sea scrolls? Sure, some of those date to around the time of jebus, but none of them are NT in the slightest.

[QUOTE=shlver]Nah, it's not shoddy at all. It's an extraordinarily accurate system.[/QUOTE]

Everything is shoddy unless you accept mediocrity (and calling it mediocre is being generous).

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]Scientific tests on ages of scrolls are scientific findings :facepalm[/QUOTE]
are you also a young earth creationist who denies the age of the earth as estimated by radioactivity? Then you cant also use those same dating principles to hold up your argument.

[QUOTE=boozehound]pretty much all of them are. regardless, there are no bibles that are material artifacts from the immediate decades after his death.[/QUOTE]

False all of the NT books and letters range from 37AD to 98AD. The Gospels and Acts range from 37AD to 67AD. All of this was scientifically tested, the only things scholars debate over is the accuracy of the dates, not the precision.

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]False. John the Disciple saw things himself. Luke the Physician talked to many people healed by Jesus. Deny it if you want, jump through the loopholes, but it happened. People just don't rise from the dead in the Name of Jesus Christ and no other name on accident. That power is real.[/QUOTE]
Really? Weak 4th hand records of "first hand" eyewitness accounts? Really? and, people come back from the "dead" more often than you think.

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]False all of the NT books and letters range from 37AD to 98AD. The Gospels and Acts range from 37AD to 67AD. All of this was scientifically tested, the only things scholars debate over is the accuracy of the dates, not the precision.[/QUOTE]
show me a citation for these dates. and what are they actually on? I assume you are talking about AMS radiocarbon dating of papyrus? I cannot find any info, so anything to point me in the right direction would be good.

[QUOTE=boozehound]are you also a young earth creationist who denies the age of the earth as estimated by radioactivity? Then you cant also use those same dating principles to hold up your argument.[/QUOTE]

It is a scientific fact that age-testing of radioactivity can only go back so far. Plus the age of the Earth is not anti-Biblical no matter how old you say the Earth is.

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]No, like I know stuff like this happens in North Africa every now and then. I had a friend who witnessed a resurrection. He has a friend that goes to UT hospital to pray over patients. He never prayed over the dead though. There was a guy who has been dead for several hours and they went to harvest his organs, and he said "hey can I pray for him" and they said "why? hes dead?" and he said "I know, but I want to see if he can come back to life" and they said "uh sure go ahead". My friend Nick was sitting on the bench outside the room. His friend laid hands on the dead body and said "In the Name of Jesus Christ I command you to live", and he came out the door and the man was following him. Healing still happens today, no doubt.[/QUOTE]
So, you know a dude who knows a guy that talked to a dude who knows some dude that has a relitive who heard of a guy that knows....... Wow your proof is so hard to refute.

[QUOTE=boozehound]Really? Weak 4th hand records of "first hand" eyewitness accounts? Really? and, people come back from the "dead" more often than you think.[/QUOTE]

No John saw those things HIMSELF. And Luke interviewed people who were healed by Jesus. HEALED. Personal testimonies of HEALING. You do not make stuff like that up. That is too detailed to be conjured out of thin air.

[QUOTE=boozehound]show me a citation for these dates. and what are they actually on? I assume you are talking about AMS radiocarbon dating of papyrus? I cannot find any info, so anything to point me in the right direction would be good.[/QUOTE]
and you are full of it. Just from the wiki wiki wack, you can clearly see that the oldest dated scrap of the bible is from the first half of the 2nd century AD.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_manuscript#Dating_the_New_Testament_manuscripts"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_manuscript#Dating_the_New_Testament_manuscripts[/URL]

[QUOTE=lurch67]So, you know a dude who knows a guy that talked to a dude who knows some dude that has a relitive who heard of a guy that knows....... Wow your proof is so hard to refute.[/QUOTE]

Nick is a good friend of mine, and he saw the dead guy walk out of the room. The guy has spoken at church events and stuff. I can get his name and everything.

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]It is a scientific fact that age-testing of radioactivity can only go back so far. Plus the age of the Earth is not anti-Biblical no matter how old you say the Earth is.[/QUOTE]
Well first, the accuracy of a radioactive dating technique is based on the half-life of the element. So, yes, for carbon, the upper limits are about 40k. But there are lots of other dating techniques based on the same radioactive principles.


Also, I agree that you can hold your belief in the bible and not be a YEC. Just wondering if you were.

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]No John saw those things HIMSELF. And Luke interviewed people who were healed by Jesus. HEALED. Personal testimonies of HEALING. [B]You do not make stuff like that up. That is too detailed to be conjured out of thin air[/B].[/QUOTE]
Don't read much do you. Rodenberry developed an entire language and history for multiple races of aliens in star trek. So by your logic, interstellar travel should be a couple yrs away then.

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]It is a scientific fact that age-testing of radioactivity can only go back so far. Plus the age of the Earth is not anti-Biblical no matter how old you say the Earth is.[/QUOTE]
also, you need to quit using the word fact. in science, fact means a piece of measurable data or, basically, the basic unit to be explored. it does not mean "proven beyond question" or something like that.