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[QUOTE=Lebron23]You, Catch24, Lakers1987 and All Net are some of the Non-biased Lakers fans in this forum. I have seen All Net defended LeBron in the Lakersground.logic.net. I swear to God that's the last time I am going to visit that forum.[/QUOTE]
Co-sign this.
I like Doranku, he admits his bias. I cant stand when people deny it and still try to say they are unbiased.
he probably is but playing with wade isnt helping people see it :confusedshrug:
what do u mean maybe? he has been playing better than anybody since his 2nd year in the nba
[QUOTE=magnax1]Lebron's FG% at 10-15 feet 33%
FG% at 15-20 feet 41%
That's average at best, and that's basically the same % he's shot since 2008[/QUOTE]
Where have you found those stats? Just curious.
And :lol at maybe!
I know there are only five players that are capable of leading the league in scoring.
Of the five only one seems capable of getting ten rebounds per game over the course of a year.
Of that five only one seems capable of getting ten assist per game over the course of a year.
Of those five one has better court vision than the rest.
Of those five one shoots threes better than the rest - (this year).
Of those five one finishes better than the rest.
Of those five one exercises better court judgment than the rest.
He's the most versatile player in the game.
He is the most likely to be on the all defensive team.
He is most likely to guard the opposing team's star wing player.
Until LeBron leads a team to the championship he will be number 2.
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]It's clear as day that LeBron's the best player in the NBA. Forget stats; watch the damn games.[/QUOTE]
Even stats wise Lebron is the best player. His stats are down this year due to having the two other stars.
If Lebron wanted to he could easily average 30, 7 and 8 on 50% like last year.
He is averaging what, 24, 6 and 7 this year? still the best overall numbers IMO.
Although Wade is running him close right now, dude is balling like he was when he led Miami to the title . Kobe is my favourite player but you can't deny facts that both Lebron and Wade are the clear best two players right now. Scary thing is they are getting better and better playing together which is a worry for the rest of the league not just this season but for several more.
Honestly, I think right now the conversation has to be between Wade & LeBron with Kobe looking in from the outside.
Sure, you can argue that Kobe's the best player on the best team, but he's just not at either Wade or LeBron's level individually now. He's still going to get his numbers, but I don't see him overpower teams anymore. He can get hot and burn a defense with midrange shots now, but so can Paul Pierce. Wade and LeBron are the only two guys right now that can just destroy a team in a flurry.
To call Kobe the best right now is basing an argument off of team success and reputation. That's fine, but individually he's no longer the most effective player.
[QUOTE=All Net]Scary thing is they are getting better and better playing together which is a worry for the rest of the league not just this season but for several more.[/QUOTE]
Well, and they're killing teams so easily. When Wade or LeBron get 35, it's different now. It used to be that they just muscled their way to those numbers. Now, it seems like Wade will drop 40 and not break a sweat.
They do have holes, but no team has anything like Wade & LeBron. Each may only have to have a really good game once or twice in a series. Before, they had to be great four times to have a chance. I look at these must-win games (game five against Boston aside), both players tend to show up in big games. If it's a 2-2 series, I wonder if even Boston could keep both of them in check.
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]Honestly, I think right now the conversation has to be between Wade & LeBron with Kobe looking in from the outside.[/QUOTE]
Wade and LeBron are the two best players in the league right now, following is Kobe at 3rd (he'll kick it up another notch come post season and probably superceed one or both of these guys) ...
But them both being equals (Wade and LeBron) they negate each other for MVP votes, and there is no gap between them as players. Regardless of what any LeBron stan wants to tell you. I've never met a crazy, delusional Wade, btw. Scratch that ... maybe just one. Papaya Pete (sp) ?
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[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Wade and LeBron are the two best players in the league right now, following is Kobe at 3rd (he'll kick it up another notch come post season and probably superceed one or both of these guys) ...
But them both being equals (Wade and LeBron) they negate each other for MVP votes, and there is no gap between them as players. Regardless of what any LeBron stan wants to tell you. I've never met a crazy, delusional Wade, btw. Scratch that ... maybe just one. Papaya Pete (sp) ?
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I've always felt LeBron was the best of the two, but it wasn't by a large margin. If LeBron's better than Wade or vice versa, it's by like 10%.
[QUOTE=crisoner]Until LeBron leads a team to the championship he will be number 2.[/QUOTE]
Dont you mean number 4? Shaq, Duncan led their team to championships aswell and from what i know they are still playing today. Dont let the fact of Lebron playing better than Kobe, Shaq, Duncan right now come in between that logic right? :) Make it number 5 for Lebron considering Wade also led his team to a championship aswell. Thats right, with your logic Lebron is out of Top 5 and is no more one of the best players in the league because he didnt lead a team to something what is the biggest [B]team accomplishment[/B] in NBA history, to something which is impossible to win alone, to something which not even if you averaged a 50 point quadruple double you couldnt win if you didnt had the required level of efficiency from your teammates, coach, staff, franchise beside you.
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]I've always felt LeBron was the best of the two, but it wasn't by a large margin. If LeBron's better than Wade or vice versa, it's by like 10%.[/QUOTE]
Not even ... absolutely equal. What marginal difference you feel LeBron brings to on the court value (it isn't anything significant, but you're a LeBron stan ..) Wade probably is better with things from a mental capacity and intangibles. Neither one of them has clearly separated themselves from one another.
I think Wade > LeBron because he is more reliable in the post season. Durability is the only reason why LeBron has advantages in the regular season. Wade should have 2-3 rings by now if not for freak injuries.
Lebron and Wade and the heat in general are playing A LOT harder than kobe and the lakers right now because they have a lot more to prove(and a lot higher expectations to live up to).. does anyone disagree with this? Because it is a big factor for why theyre playing better right now..
Come playoff time.. when kobe and pau up their games and start going hard again the discussion will be much closer, but for now lebron is easily the best basketball player in the game.