96-98 Jordan vs 08-10 Kobe

[QUOTE=guy]Really? The guy that led a team to 72 and 69 wins, and 62 wins without his best teammate, and to a three-peat? You think Jordan blows a 3-1 lead and barely even shoots in a game 7? You think Jordan lets his team blow a 24-point lead at home in the freaking Finals when they are down 2-1? You think Jordan lets his team get blown out by 40 in the elimination game of the Finals? You think Jordan lets his team get pushed to 7 games by a team that is missing its 2 best players? You think the Lakers would've had the problems they had with teams like the Rockets, Thunder, and Hornets with Jordan instead of Kobe? Get real.[/QUOTE]

Yep. The idea that 96 Jordan replacing 08 Kobe gets outplayed by Paul Pierce in the Finals just cracks me up.

There is absolutely no evidence that MJ would do worse than Kobe. The idea that MJ would have no chance to make 3 finals and would win 1 title at most is just beyond stupid.

I hope people realize what they are saying. Everyone seems to think that the 08 finals weren't close. Actually, if the Lakers don't have an epic collapse in game 4, they have a good chance to send the series back to Boston up 3-2. In that game? Kobe had 17 points on 6 of 19 shooting. Somehow I don't think Jordan does that.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Yep. The idea that 96 Jordan replacing 08 Kobe gets outplayed by Paul Pierce in the Finals just cracks me up.

There is absolutely no evidence that MJ would do worse than Kobe. The idea that MJ would have no chance to make 3 finals and would win 1 title at most is just beyond stupid.

I hope people realize what they are saying. Everyone seems to think that the 08 finals weren't close. Actually, if the Lakers don't have an epic collapse in game 4, they have a good chance to send the series back to Boston up 3-2. In that game? Kobe had 17 points on 6 of 19 shooting. Somehow I don't think Jordan does that.[/QUOTE]

Lmao, LA gets swept if Jordan plays the way he did in the 96 Finals..

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Yep. The idea that 96 Jordan replacing 08 Kobe gets outplayed by Paul Pierce in the Finals just cracks me up.

There is absolutely no evidence that MJ would do worse than Kobe. The idea that MJ would have no chance to make 3 finals and would win 1 title at most is just beyond stupid.

I hope people realize what they are saying. Everyone seems to think that the 08 finals weren't close. Actually, if the Lakers don't have an epic collapse in game 4, they have a good chance to send the series back to Boston up 3-2. In that game? Kobe had 17 points on 6 of 19 shooting. Somehow I don't think Jordan does that.[/QUOTE]

Wizards MJ was beating and outplaying prime Pierce (or close to prime), can't begin to imagine what 96 MJ would do to him.

Wizards MJ was also embarrassing Posey, KG and Ray.

[QUOTE=andgar923]Wizards MJ was beating and outplaying prime Pierce (or close to prime), can't begin to imagine what 96 MJ would do to him.

Wizards MJ was also embarrassing Posey, KG and Ray.[/QUOTE]

1996 Michael Jordan would have been shutdown, just like Kobe was in 2008.

[QUOTE=andgar923]Wizards MJ was beating and outplaying prime Pierce (or close to prime), can't begin to imagine what 96 MJ would do to him.

Wizards MJ was also embarrassing Posey, KG and Ray.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, '96 MJ with the rules today would carve Posey, Pierce and Ray-Ray to pieces.

I'm of the opinion MJ from 96-98 was better than 08-10 Kobe, btw.

[QUOTE=game3524]1996 Michael Jordan would have been shutdown, just like Kobe was in 2008.[/QUOTE]

If Wizards MJ was beating and blowing by Pierce, Allen, KG and Posey, what makes one think 96 MJ wouldn't?

Michael Jordan

[QUOTE=game3524]See this is what I am talking about, you guys treat Jordan as if he was god. He is the best player of all-time, but he is slowly becoming the Reagan of basketball, where their is a ton revisionism.

Also those Bulls teams racked up a ton of wins in a water down league. Hell, the early 90's team was much better then the late 90's teams.[/QUOTE]

What revisionism? Since when is saying Jordan>Kobe revisionism? Since when is stating facts revisionism? I never said Jordan never made a mistake. Saying that he is better doesn't mean he's God.

Watered down league? Maybe it wasn't as strong as the early 90s or late 2000s, but its not like there was a significant difference between leagues that are only 10 years apart. Not that much has changed.

[QUOTE=game3524]Lmao, LA gets swept if Jordan plays the way he did in the 96 Finals..[/QUOTE]

I seriously doubt that. But then again, Gary Payton wasn't playing on the Celtics.

[QUOTE=andgar923]If Wizards MJ was beating and blowing by Pierce, Allen, KG and Posey, what makes one think 96 MJ would?[/QUOTE]

Because the 2008 Celtics are one of the greatest defensive teams of the modern era. This isn't 1990 MJ we are talking about, this 96 and older and slower, and easier player to defend.

MJ most likely puts up similar stats as Kobe did in 2008 Finals or worse.

[QUOTE=game3524]Because the 2008 Celtics are one of the greatest defensive teams of the modern era. This isn't 1990 MJ we are talking about, this 96 and older and slower, and easier player to defend.

MJ most likely puts up similar stats as Kobe did in 2008 Finals or worse.[/QUOTE]

Why would you think worse?

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I seriously doubt that. But then again, Gary Payton wasn't playing on the Celtics.[/QUOTE]
Tony Allen is :violin:

INB4 Payton >>>>>>>>> Allen, ofc goddammit but let not like act they have no answer for MJ. 32-34 yo MJ will spend lot of gas vs posey, Allen, Pierce rotating to guard him.

Btw I'm just saying MJ isn't god that will hit every shot especially against legendary defensive 08' celtics.

[QUOTE=guy]What revisionism? Since when is saying Jordan>Kobe revisionism? Since when is stating facts revisionism? I never said Jordan never made a mistake. Saying that he is better doesn't mean he's God.

Watered down league? Maybe it wasn't as strong as the early 90s or late 2000s, but its not like there was a significant difference between leagues that are only 10 years apart. Not that much has changed.[/QUOTE]

It is revisionism because late 90's Jordan was not a better player then peak Bryant. Peak Bryant was a better defender then late 90's Jordan, athlete, and their offensive game are pretty much a wash.

Hell, peak Bryant was more efficient then late 90's Jordan in the playoffs as well.

Mid-late 90's NBA, the league was water down thanks to expansion. Those late 90's Bull teams were great, but they weren't as good as you think.

[QUOTE=game3524]It is revisionism because late 90's Jordan was not a better player then peak Bryant. Peak Bryant was a better defender then late 90's Jordan, athlete, and their offensive game are pretty much a wash.

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LOL, other then athlete, NO. Not like he's far off, but he wasn't better at any of that.

[QUOTE=game3524]It is revisionism because late 90's Jordan was not a better player then peak Bryant. Peak Bryant was a better defender then late 90's Jordan, athlete, and their offensive game are pretty much a wash.[/quote]

Peak Bryant is from 06-08 (some argue 06-07), not 08-10...