Even as a fan for well over 2 decades I still must say..I dont think the NBA owes me.

God get rid of those ****ing frog icons they are ****ing annoying.

The league don't owe us sh*t. People who say things like "they owe us... WE are the ones who pay their salary/revenue actually" are idiots.

That's like saying Beatles owe everyone because its people who keep listening to their music, you know, not because its brilliant and timeless and hauntingly beautiful.

Or saying Michael Jackson owed all his fans because they paid money to listen to Thriller.

Stupid logic.

I'm not saying owners/players are blameless. both sides behaved like idiots (although owners never negotiated in good faith nor did they play fair, so they are mostly at fault), they f*cked up each other's lives, not ours. They dont owe us nothing.

The players are entitled to make what htey make becuase market dictates that. Saying they shouldn't complain about a unfair deal because they already make so much is a dumb logic.

I agree that they owe us nothing.
They don't force us to watch / pay for their products.
And I was never pissed because of it...

I'm just pissed that they won't allow me to invest my money into their salaries this year! :oldlol:

JUST LET ME BURN MONEY ON THAT LEAGUE PASS!!!

I agree with the OP. To act as if we (the fans) have some inalienable right to demand that other grown men entertain us with their athletic prowess is arguably a greater display of arrogance than anything the players and owners have done. Seriously... some people are conducting themselves as if their Constitutional rights have been violated or something. It's one thing to be angry at the fact that your favorite sport is not being played. I understand that. I feel that. But no other grown man owes me anything but simple respect. He definitely doesn't owe me the privilege of watching him throw a ball in a basket.

2 Lockouts in 13 years. Where Amazing Happens.

[QUOTE=Meticode]2 Lockouts in 13 years. Where Amazing Happens.[/QUOTE]

People like to sh!t on baseball all the time for not having a salary cap, but they have had 16 years of labor peace, and even teams that don't even try like the Royals and Pirates, still make profit every year.

All the salary cap sports (NHL, NFL, NBA) have had labor stoppages in the last 10 years.

I wanna say we are at 3 lockouts in 17 years. The 95 one was shorter...but it happened.

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The players do nothing but sell their goods(in this case...entertainment) at a price people find it fair t opay. Even though most pay nothing at all and watch it on TV(unless we are counting cable costs...in which case everyone on tv owes everyone in the world).[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say it's a "fair" price. Prices for a lot of tickets are crazy. How is it "fair" to pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars if you want to sit front row? You have no choice over that. If you want a good seat, you pay a ridiculous price. I'm sure if it were up to the majority of fans of any sport, they would lower ticket prices.

If it were put to a vote the public would lower the price of 10 cent gum. People want to pay less for everything. how is that an argument?

And of course its fair to pay thousands to sit courtside. There arent many seats. People want them. The people themselves decide what they are willing to pay. Anyone who pays an unfair price almost has to be considered an idiot for supporting the price by telling the people setting it its what they are willing to pay.

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Some say the actos owe you. Somehow. They owe you more than the movie you paid to see.[/QUOTE]

How is that even the same situation? We pay to see one movie and that's it. Who is expecting anything else? I do think actors are over paid and movie prices are crazy. But I don't think the actors really owe me anything.

It's different because sports fans are constantly supporting the players. They're constantly watching games, attending games, buying their merchandise. Spending tons of money and then something like this happens.

The majority of the public just sees this as rich spoiled athletes who had it good for years and now they're being asked to give up some money and they're refusing. That's why no one is really behind the players in this. Everyone is struggling right now in todays economy but no one is going to stick up or feel sorry for players who make millions of dollars.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]If it were put to a vote the public would lower the price of 10 cent gum. People want to pay less for everything. how is that an argument?

And of course its fair to pay thousands to sit courtside. There arent many seats. People want them. The people themselves decide what they are willing to pay. Anyone who pays an unfair price almost has to be considered an idiot for supporting the price by telling the people setting it its what they are willing to pay.[/QUOTE]

$0.10 gum compared to $1,000 front row ticket? Are you freakin' kidding me? Where do you come up with these stupid ass comparisons?

And people don't decide what they're willing to pay. The owners of the teams/arenas decide how much you should pay.

The majority of the public hates everyone richer than them and always will. Jealousy might be the most common human emotion.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]$0.10 gum compared to $1,000 front row ticket? Are you freakin' kidding me? Where do you come up with these stupid ass comparisons?[/QUOTE]


Im gonna wait a moment and see if anyone but you fails to understand my point there.

I...suspect not.

Just like your opinion that no "grown person" complains about movie ticket prices?

And you know how many players probably get FREE tickets for their family and friends? You really think LeBron James actually pays for his mother to sit court side during the games?